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« on: November 26, 2010, 09:00:30 PM »

How this is a function of national security is beyond me.

Homeland Security seizes domain names
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The investigative arm of the Homeland Security Department appears to be shutting down websites that facilitate copyright infringement.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) has seized dozens of domain names over the past few days, according to TorrentFreak.
ICE appears to be targeting sites that help Internet users download copyrighted music, as well as sites that sell bootleg goods, such as fake designer handbags.
The sites are replaced with a note from the government: "This domain named has been seized by ICE, Homeland Security Investigations."
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« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2010, 09:33:29 PM »

That's our government protecting us from the true (in their eyes) threat: a minority of our own citizens.
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« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2010, 09:37:15 PM »

that's what they do with the billions they take from us?

they should all be arrested for treason
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« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2010, 01:56:05 AM »

This is not good.
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« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2010, 07:14:09 AM »

Okay, this has officially gotten out if hand.
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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2010, 10:17:25 AM »

Out of hand is an understatement.

What happens when you let your own government terrorize you with threats thousands of kilometers away across the planet that in real terms have little or no effect on the average person? You get a scared mob screaming to be protected. What's the cure? Hand over all your remaining freedoms. What's the upshot? Terrorists are downloading movies and music and software and are a grave threat to national security. Oh, they're eating babies too while they watch their pirated movies, listen to their pirated music, and use their pirated software. Oh, and they're going to eat your older children too. Then they'll eat you!

Security? Huh?

Hey, I hear that there are some places with mosquito problems. Perhaps they should nuke them... Then drop a few megatons of nerve gas to kill off anything left alive... That'll teach them mosquitoes!

The real terrorists are in Washington D.C.

I like Benjamin Franklin:

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Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

This is what they're putting up:



51607.com has that. 2009jersey.com was up when I checked. amoyhy.com was also down.

This is the amoyhy.com page:

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And yep, the title:

This domain name has been seized by ICE - Homeland Security Investigations

This is WWWWAAAAAYYYYYY too Orwellian.

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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2010, 10:25:41 AM »

Ok, maybe a slight over-reaction with the mosquitoes, but at a minimum it's the equivalent of sending in the army over a bar fight.
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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2010, 10:38:45 AM »

Deeply, deeply, deeply troubling.

I don't care much that a torrent (or whatever) site is gone - but the way it's done and by who? Ugh.
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« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2010, 11:03:05 AM »

I have it all figured out folks cheesy

A bomb in a fake Gucci bag is more dangerous than a bomb in a real one.
The government is ensuring that if we are being held hostage by a terrorist with a jersey, it is a real quality jersey and not a fake :p

I must say that I am disturbed at the behind the scenes action of it all. No warning, no public announcement, nothing.
This was just dropped like a bomb.
If it is a legitimate action, then why was this not handled above board?
where is the public announcements?

and why the hell is ICE and Homeland Security involved?
This seems a bit out side of terrorism and immigration!?!!

There is something wrong about the entire implementation.
I agree that if this was illegitimate torrent sites and the like, but it is the tactic and the implementation and the hidden secrecy of it all that I am appalled with

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« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2010, 11:36:16 AM »

The problem with the US in particular is that these actions create anger directed at 'big government' instead of at those who are governing. The latter is a bigger problem in my opinion but it is also fixable by people voting differently, way differently...
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« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2010, 11:42:24 AM »

The problem with the US in particular is that these actions create anger directed at 'big government' instead of at those who are governing. The latter is a bigger problem in my opinion but it is also fixable by people voting differently, way differently...

Good point.

A friend told me that the former director of Homeland Security is now heading up the company that sells the backsplater x-ray porno machines at airports. Or something like that. Sigh... (I've not verified that, but I have no reason to disbelieve him.)
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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2010, 11:59:54 AM »

You can quote me on this: it may happen in our lifetimes, or maybe not for several more generations, but we're heading for a time when all essential liberties will be taken from us, and people will actually be killed for fighting to reclaim lost freedoms.  I would say hopefully it'll be generations away, but then that would lay it on the shoulders of our distant offspring.
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« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2010, 12:11:25 PM »

I think it's a combination of two factors:

  • a large and inefficient bureaucracy casting about for additional roles to play in order to make a case for its necessity; and

  • the rebirth of the old Coal & Iron Company Police that added several dark pages to U.S. history books in the previous century.

One good thing about protecting commercial interests in the name of "national security." If you can't effectively stop terrorist activities* without turning the country into a police state, at least you can protect the economic interests of those industries that contributed to the election campaigns of those who now write your paycheck.

I don't know why we should complain. We have the best 'protection' money can buy.

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Still, I can't help wondering why so many countries (other than the USA) manage to maintain better levels of homeland security with only a fraction of the obtrusiveness (and budget) the United States seems to feel it requires.

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« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2010, 12:12:27 PM »

This isn't the start... just the escalation.  And it's even worse than what was already reported:

http://torrentfreak.com/m...land-security-ice-101125/

A good quote from that site:
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Homeland Security and Immigration, eh?

I’m assuming a bunch of Latino Hip Hop artists are trying to make their way across the Mexico-US border illegally and they were using RapGodFathers as their own personal 4Chan to coordinate a terrorist attack on Arizona for their new “Pull me over ’cause I look Mexican” law.

Or, DHS and ICE are just a bunch of *******.

And in case you think it's just the U.S. that's getting scary...

http://www.theregister.co...2010/11/25/nominet_crime/

UPDATE: More info on the actual sites from ICE
http://torrentfreak.com/u...e-domain-and-more-101126/
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« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2010, 12:26:19 PM »

Coming to a country near you http://www.pcworld.com/bu...her_on_cyber_defense.html Terrorism, "Commercial side", "regular consumer" - this can used for whatever!
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« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2010, 01:09:42 PM »

So I find that I am curious:

Do you think that folks that hit these sites with the below mentioned banner; is their IP being recorded and db'ed to HLS or ICE???

Just a thought

any one else's thoughts?
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« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2010, 01:14:48 PM »

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« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2010, 04:51:32 PM »

Still, I can't help wondering why so many countries (other than the USA) manage to maintain better levels of homeland security with only a fraction of the obtrusiveness (and budget) the United States seems to feel it requires.

Are they better?  The reason that the response is so heavy handed, I think, is that the U.S. before now through geography, both political and physical, is relatively free of such attacks.  It's the same with waging war- for all of it's military superiority, when it comes down to it, the U.S. doesn't have the guts it takes to win wars like some others are fighting/have fought.
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« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2010, 07:11:23 PM »

Oh great, all this is going to add more fuel to our government's, (Australian), need for Internet filtering in the supposed interest of stopping "child pornography".
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« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2010, 07:24:15 PM »


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The changes will mean that if Nominet is given "reasonable grounds to believe [domains] are being used to commit a crime" it will remove them from the .uk registry.

I'm going to flat out say that domain names should never be taken away or censored no matter what. Even if they are used for criminal purposes.

What is happening now is that more and more things that are considered normal are becoming criminal. Pretty soon speaking out will be a crime. I'd rather have domain names used for crime than have freedom destroyed.

They should focus on stopping the crime, and not stopping the flow of information. Legislation like they're trying to ram through is simply dangerous. We're already seeing that kind of power being abused.
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« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2010, 07:34:36 PM »

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Pretty soon speaking out will be a crime.

There is a definite movement in the U. S. Congress right now to pass legislation to label certain things as hate speech, not covered by freedom of speech: certain passages of Scripture being applied to certain minorities, anti-[insert your favorite group] groups of various stripes.

What we're going to see, going forward in the coming years, is a curtailing of the Right's free-speech, as the politically-correct Left redefines some topics as hate speech.
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« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2010, 08:01:18 PM »

What we're going to see, going forward in the coming years, is a curtailing of the Right's free-speech

Or inflammatory rhetoric (depending on who you talk to).  smiley

Right now I think the situation with American political debate and dialog (or lack thereof) is a problem that goes far beyond anything as simple as a the "right" and "left" labels and stereotyping. .

But that also depends on who you talk to.  Grin
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« Reply #22 on: November 27, 2010, 08:11:28 PM »

Personally I'm more disturbed by DHS taking a role that in reality has very little to do with the purpose that they were created for.
There are other entities charged with the responsibility of enforcing copyright law and going after violators with the means at their disposal to take the proper steps.
The move of DHS into what is in essence a domestic issue not involving national security extends it's powers in a way that wasn't even suggested by the administration that created it.
If this is the trend of the current administration then the paranoia of a few years ago is becoming a reality.

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« Reply #23 on: November 27, 2010, 09:24:43 PM »

Still, I can't help wondering why so many countries (other than the USA) manage to maintain better levels of homeland security with only a fraction of the obtrusiveness (and budget) the United States seems to feel it requires.

Are they better?  The reason that the response is so heavy handed, I think, is that the U.S. before now through geography, both political and physical, is relatively free of such attacks.  It's the same with waging war- for all of it's military superiority, when it comes down to it, the U.S. doesn't have the guts it takes to win wars like some others are fighting/have fought.

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In the past that isolation has allowed the US to extend it's military hand far into distant places that had no real power to retaliate. The shrinking of the planet for normal people has put the US within reach not of countries, but of individuals, which fits the "terrorist" modus operandi. So, cynically speaking, this at long last has put the US within reach of the common rebel abroad.

The real terror is not from nations, which generally follow certain rules of war, but from individuals and organizations (that may be state sponsored) that do not follow those rules of war.

I remember seeing some statistics on civilian casualties in the 20th century:

WWI - 1:20 (civilian to military)
WWII - (far less, though I forget)
Korea - (Again, I forget, but it followed the trend here towards higher civilian casualties)
Vietnam - 20:1 (20 civilian casualties to every military casualty)

Modern warfare changed significantly over the 20th century.

WWI saw the advent of trench warfare due to the overwhelming superiority of defensive weapons (the machine gun).

WWII saw the advent of mechanized warfare, first demonstrated by Germany blitzing through Belgium into France with tanks paving the way.
WWII also saw the importance of air combat rise to a significant level.

The 60's to the 80's saw the importance of guerrilla warfare rise. This comes just before the rise of "terrorism".

The Gulf war in 1990's and 2000's finally saw air power finally being used as a replacement for artillery/heavy infantry weaponry (mortars, etc.).

BTW - that is very significant. What is the single most important factor in determining victory in warfare? Artillery/mortars, etc. Proof is throughout history. One example would be D-Day where 75% of all casualties are caused by artillery.

That is pretty standard stuff, but the scary part is the rise of guerrilla warfare, "terrorism", and insurgency. That changes the rules so that artillery isn't the determining factor anymore. How can you bombard an enemy that you can't find, and if you could find them, they'd be inside of a civilian population anyways? This is a very scary thought for generals who can no longer count on traditional wisdom to win wars.

So now you're stuck fighting an invisible foe. How do you retaliate? The enemy could very well be within the city walls already... The path to paranoia and witch hunts is a natural progression.

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I can't help but go back to that link wraith808 posted (The Register):

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Last week, for example, the PCeU contacted the ISP hosting Fitwatch, a website the Met alleged was offering illegal advice to student protestors, and had it taken down. Mirror sites and copies of the information it carried quickly sprang up across dozens of hosts, making the attempted censorship ineffective.

By working through Nominet, however, it would be much easier for police to centrally block such efforts by revoking the domain name of any website republishing the allegedly illegal information.

I believe this is what they considered illegal (source is now back up):

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Students who are worried should consider taking the following actions:

If you have been arrested, or had your details taken – contact the legal support campaign. As a group you can support each other, and mount a coherent campaign.

If you fear you may be arrested as a result of identification by CCTV, FIT or press photography;

DONT panic. Press photos are not necessarily conclusive evidence, and just because the police have a photo of you doesn’t mean they know who you are.
DONT hand yourself in. The police often use the psychological pressure of knowing they have your picture to persuade you to ‘come forward’. Unless you have a very pressing reason to do otherwise, let them come and find you, if they know who you are.
DO get rid of your clothes. There is no chance of suggesting the bloke in the video is not you if the clothes he is wearing have been found in your wardrobe. Get rid of ALL clothes you were wearing at the demo, including YOUR SHOES, your bag, and any distinctive jewellery you were wearing at the time. Yes, this is difficult, especially if it is your only warm coat or decent pair of boots. But it will be harder still if finding these clothes in your flat gets you convicted of violent disorder.
DONT assume that because you can identify yourself in a video, a judge will be able to as well. ‘That isn’t me’ has got many a person off before now.
DO keep away from other demos for a while. The police will be on the look-out at other demos, especially student ones, for people they have put on their ‘wanted’ list. Keep a low profile.
DO think about changing your appearance. Perhaps now is a good time for a make-over. Get a haircut and colour, grow a beard, wear glasses. It isn’t a guarantee, but may help throw them off the scent.
DO keep your house clean. Get rid of spray cans, demo related stuff, and dodgy texts / photos on your phone. Don’t make life easy for them by having drugs, weapons or anything illegal in the house.
DO get the name and number of a good lawyer you can call if things go badly. The support group has the names of recommended lawyers on their site. Take a bit of time to read up on your rights in custody, especially the benefits of not commenting in interview.
DO be careful who you speak about this to. Admit your involvement in criminal damage / disorder ONLY to people you really trust.
DO try and control the nerves and panic. Waiting for a knock on the door is stressful in the extreme, but you need to find a way to get on with business as normal. Otherwise you’ll be serving the sentence before you are even arrested.

It's counseling people to not get caught, which doesn't seem illegal.

It's very worrisome that things like that are now targets for paranoid governments.

People are basically good. Letting governments censor people like this is like pouring oil on the slippery slope.

I for one do not want to have to look over my shoulder for the though police. Sad
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