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Eóin:
app103, you raise an excellent point, and the anti-vaxers are a very dangerous group of people. But care should be taken to distinguish between the lies spread by anti-vaxers and the results of sponsored research.

Ultimately all research is sponsored by someone, and almost always, the sponsor has more invested than just the good of humanity. For this reason we have peer reviewed journals which attempt to validate the research and publish only legitimate results. Of course sometimes this system too fails, and you link to one of the more damaging examples. Still most (all?) anti-vax literature is unpublished lies, all easily debunked.

In general however, just because results of a study come out in support of it's sponsors doesn't mean it's wrong. We should of course scrutinize the results, but then we should always scrutinize any results, and if they prove legit then they should be published like any other research.

Carol Haynes:
I wonder if that's related. I wonder if the trees are sick because they are somehow intercepting all the rotten things on the internet. :-\
-Deozaan (November 24, 2010, 06:22 AM)
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Internet porn for trees - oo er thats a sexy branch!  :-*

Picking up the vibes over hear - naughty!

Maybe not ...

Gothi[c]:
The talk here about sponsored research would imply to a reader that the linked article is sponsored research but I see no indication of that. (unless i missed something?) While I agree that PCWorld is not a good source, and they don't link to the original, it seems to me that there wouldn't be a valid reason to simply dismiss research done by a university as 'not scientific'. (again, unless I'm missing something really obvious, in that case, correct me :D )
Under the comments for the original pcworld article someone linked a bunch of links to other research done on the subject that may be enlightening:


There have been more studies:


http://www.buergerwelle.de/pdf/plantingle.pdf

The Effects Of Microwaves On The Trees And Other Plants

© Alfonso Balmori Martínez. Valladolid. Spain. December, 2003

http://www.emrpolicy.org/science/forum/volkrodt_microwave_smog.pdf

Microwave smog and forest damage; movement in Bonn after all? Volkrodt

http://www.emrpolicy.org/science/forum/volkrodt_elect_pollution_environ.pdf

Electromagnetic pollution of the environment, Volkrodt

http://www.mindfully.org/Technology/Microwaves-Fiasco-Volkrodt1991.htm

http://www.emrpolicy.org/science/forum/volkrodt_fiasco.pdf original document

Are microwaves faced with a fiasco similar to that experienced by nuclear energy? Volkrodt

http://www.emrpolicy.org/science/forum/volkrodt_path_dying_forest.pdf

The Path into the Dying Forest, Ulrich Hertel

http://www.emrpolicy.org/science/forum/volkrodt_letter_yale.pdf

Letter to Professor Wm. Smith, Yale School of Forestry and Environmental Studies, Volkrodt

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Enough material, right? :)
I'm not saying wifi kills trees, by the way ;)
PCWorld may well be misquoting the research or jumping to conclusions as it's not clear what type of tests they performed, at what frequencies and what power.
But dismissing it as non-scientific or sponsored when it's not may upset a few researchers that put a lot of work in the study :)

Renegade:
Eóin said he'd reserve judgment until he saw a more scientific source. I then brought up the topic of sponsored research and my skepticism of it.

tomos:

[edit] scratch that request [/edit]

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