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"The More You Use Google, the More Google Knows about you"
40hz:
To me there is only one real short term solution and that is an open source, distributed, uncontrolled, non tracking, open search engine.
-kartal (April 11, 2010, 02:14 PM)
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Very good idea. The only problem is that until somebody steps up and offers to provide and pay for such technology (and with no strings attached) it isn't going to happen.
And you can absolutely forget about involving any government on the planet with something you want to be genuinely transparent and open.
And even if you somehow do manage to build this system, how do you prevent whoever is administrating it from cheating? Despite all their safeguards, even financial and highly classified military systems have their hackers, moles, and 'insider cabals.' And many go undetected for years.
Back in first century Rome, the poet Juvenal asked: Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
I don't believe basic human nature has changed very much since he first asked that question.
Just my :two:
kartal:
It is possible
Firefox made into a somewhat stable semi non profit corporation from donations, Wikipedia managed to grew steadily. Although both has started getting massive donations from Google recenty.
If people have managed to write an operating system like Linux on mostly voluntering basis, if people let their cpus run for searching for aliens then it is possible to create an open search engine.
Paul Keith:
Most of your argumens fall flat on a marble floor, because what you are telling me about my own words are not proper represantation of what I am saying.
First of all there is no "invisible enemy". Second there is no "enemy"-kartal (April 11, 2010, 02:14 PM)
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When has an invisible enemy ever been called an invisible enemy? That's why I later replaced it with your words: "representational name"
There is no enemy?
Again, here's a piece of what you said:
Google is just a
representational name, and for a reason it is always in the front line.
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Onelook: http://www.onelook.com/?w=front+line&ls=a
front line: the line along which opposing armies face each other
There has to be a line between proper representation and falling flat on the marble floor.
Sure enough this search engine should never be controlled by anyone or anything. And if you think that this is tinfoil hat thinking and it is an unreasonable paranoia solution then I really do not have much else to contribute to conversation.
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You said: "what you are telling me about my own words are not proper represantation of what I am saying."
Please apply those same considerations to mine.
app103:
To me there is only one real short term solution and that is an open source, distributed, uncontrolled, non tracking, open search engine. A search engine that does not keep massive database about visitors, a search engine that does not do anything else beside seaching. Sure enough this search engine should never be controlled by anyone or anything. And if you think that this is tinfoil hat thinking and it is an unreasonable paranoia solution then I really do not have much else to contribute to conversation.
-kartal (April 11, 2010, 02:14 PM)
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Yes, but being open means open to all the spammers to see the code as well, and that leaves them free to manipulate things externally to get better ranking on your open search engine. It would quickly become worthless and poisoned by massive amounts of spam. No control puts the blackhat SEO spammers in full control.
kartal:
Onelook: http://www.onelook.com/?w=front+line&ls=a
front line: the line along which opposing armies face each other
There has to be a line between proper representation and falling flat on the marble floor.
-Paul Keith (April 11, 2010, 02:55 PM)
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Well, if you have taken my word in that context I cannot blame you. But the way I have used is not the way you have quoted. "Front line" is the one that is in the front of the line, no militarist connotation there for me.
If you think that an invisible enemy cannot exists in real life because it is invisible, that creates an oxymoron for the argument. Since it is invisible I cannot even myself deny the non existence of the invisible enemy since it is invisible and impenetrable. Also you have assumed that I have illogical unreal paranoia sunken ideas about facts about google and internet, that tries to put me in a position where my claims are not even credible. In reality I am none of those and have no interest in the game of oxymoron tactics.
The fact is that when I say there is no invisible enemy I am flat denying any existence of any form of enemy. Google is a concern to me not enemy. I hope this makes it clear.
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