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« Reply #25 on: February 14, 2010, 10:59:33 AM »

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But I guess your remark was meant to target Microsoft and the differences Vista and Win7 brought? Which is pretty off-topic, since we're discussing Editors, and the post you (part-)quoted was about standardized keybindings.
Hm, it was about the "user interface" actually, which is not restricted to the keybindings. So I was, maybe, wrong.  smiley
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« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2010, 11:00:58 AM »

Obviously I don't expect *u*x to follow the same standards, problem is that *u*x doesn't have the same kind of standardization... but ah well, this is a different rant, for another thread.
I agree, it would have been awesome if Vim and Emacs were using the same standard keysets smiley
Think bigger, though: systemwide standards. I can user Ctrl+Arrowkeys to jump at word boundaries in most edit controls (whether single- or multiline), I can use shift+navigation to select, ctrl+backspace/del to delete to the respective word endings, there's home/end/pgup/pgdn, et cetera. ONE set of (reasonable) keybindings that are simple to remember and work across pretty much every application on the system.

Definetely, and that is precisely what I have done with my Vim settings. smiley
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« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2010, 11:18:31 AM »

... Think bigger, though: systemwide standards. I can user Ctrl+Arrowkeys to jump at word boundaries in most edit controls (whether single- or multiline), I can use shift+navigation to select, ctrl+backspace/del to delete to the respective word endings, there's home/end/pgup/pgdn, et cetera. ONE set of (reasonable) keybindings that are simple to remember and work across pretty much every application on the system.
Exactly! Learn once - use everywhere.

And this tangent is certainly NOT off-topic. The standardization of the keystroke bindings for Windows is one of the reasons I keep sticking with it (and the text editors which are keyboard intensive). These keystrokes have become indelibly burned into my brain. Even Mac has adopted the CUT, COPY PASTE hotkey conventions. IMHO this is a *very* good thing.

As an aside - EditPad pro has a one-click selection for WORDSTAR key bindings. Can you say CTRL+K? Wink
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« Reply #28 on: February 14, 2010, 02:05:38 PM »

When setting up a new computer for a client, I need a good text editor that can be installed and left on the box. The editor must be free for commercial use.

I used to use Crimson Editor a bit at work, though not as a coder.  Someone in the Crimson Editor forums told me he used it for just the purpose you state.

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The free version of EditPad is pretty good but is missing some essentials: Regex search/replace and spell check.

I think the current free version of EditPad Lite is only free for personal use, but you probably know that.  If you want regexp, you have to have one of the newer versions of Crimson Editor, which I haven't tried.

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Other requirements are small footprint, fast startup and non-obtrusive invasion of the system registry and file system. Syntax highlighting would be nice but is not essential. Also, it must adhere to the standard Windows keystroke shortcuts (i.e. CTRL+TAB=previous file, CTRL+LEFT=word left, CTRL+RIGHT=word right, CTRL+UP=scroll up, F1=help, CTRL+PGUP=... etc.)

I think Crimson Editor has all those except fast startup.  Also, when I last looked, the Help file was HTML.

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So PSPad or Notepad++?

I dabbled with both.  PSPad crashed on me once or twice when I was using its clipboard accumulation feature.  I probably forced the error, but I was too wary to persevere with it.  Also, there seemed very few keys available to bind macros to.  Frankly, it's getting hard to recommend anything other than Notepad++ for your sort of requirement.
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« Reply #29 on: February 14, 2010, 02:22:50 PM »

a list of Editors (for windows) that are free for commercial use - I put them in spoilers cause the list was so long

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EDITORS - NOTEPAD REPLACEMENTS - PROGRAMMER/DEVELOPER EDITORS
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MORE PROGRAMMER-EDITOR ORIENTED THAN NOTEPAD REPLACEMENT
(this division is very rough, any division-tweaking help is appreciated)
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« Reply #30 on: February 14, 2010, 02:25:03 PM »

They forgot to mention Vim and Emacs. Again.
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« Reply #31 on: February 14, 2010, 03:08:33 PM »

They forgot to mention Vim and Emacs. Again.

click on the link I quoted above -
I removed them cause they were (incorrectly?) listed under unix & the OP was looking for something for windows & commercial use

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« Reply #32 on: February 14, 2010, 03:11:47 PM »

Ah, OK. Now it makes sense.  smiley
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« Reply #33 on: March 09, 2010, 06:59:11 AM »

I was an UltraEdit user for ages, as my deparmtnet had a license.

But I wanted something for home too. The feature I most apreciated in UE was the block colum mode, mentioned in an earlier post.

Whuile searching for a text editor replacement, Crimson Editor was the only thing I found that was free and had colum editing mode.

As for anyone else's requirements, I have no idea how it might fulfil them.

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« Reply #34 on: March 09, 2010, 07:06:34 AM »

Whuile searching for a text editor replacement, Crimson Editor was the only thing I found that was free and had colum editing mode.
Vim is also free and can edit text in columns.  cheesy
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« Reply #35 on: March 09, 2010, 07:07:00 AM »

But I wanted something for home too. The feature I most apreciated in UE was the block colum mode, mentioned in an earlier post.

Whuile searching for a text editor replacement, Crimson Editor was the only thing I found that was free and had colum editing mode.

Just for the record, if you hold down Alt while selecting in Notepad++ it uses column mode (so Alt-Shift-cursor keys for instance) Thmbsup.
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« Reply #36 on: March 09, 2010, 07:10:02 AM »

But I wanted something for home too. The feature I most apreciated in UE was the block colum mode, mentioned in an earlier post.

Whuile searching for a text editor replacement, Crimson Editor was the only thing I found that was free and had colum editing mode.

Just for the record, if you hold down Alt while selecting in Notepad++ it uses column mode (so Alt-Shift-cursor keys for instance) Thmbsup.
Which works fine for copying text or doing find/replace, but pretty much not anything else - definitely not comparable to a column editing mode smiley
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« Reply #37 on: March 10, 2010, 01:11:59 PM »

PSPad fan for years, myself. The powerful CLIPS functionality alone is worth it. As someone else pointed out, it's closer to the IDE concept than to a "plain" editor. It's really extensible and it does not need 100+ MB (and lots of RAM) as Eclipse does.
They seem to have solved most of the line-wrapping bugs now.

Recently, I tried RJ TextEd and it's quite cool too, but no powerful clips and no Python syntax definition Sad

PSPad has no code-folding, but I make do with the code explorer.

To all the VIMers and EMACSers: I too love VIM (not EMACS), but I think not everyone is into the right mindset for this kind of editors in this day and age. Bill Joy himself claims he wrote vi for a very different era, one with only 300 bps of bandwidth.
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« Reply #38 on: March 10, 2010, 05:44:24 PM »

Which works fine for copying text or doing find/replace, but pretty much not anything else - definitely not comparable to a column editing mode smiley

What can you do in UE that is more advanced?
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« Reply #39 on: March 10, 2010, 06:43:03 PM »

Bill Joy himself claims he wrote vi for a very different era, one with only 300 bps of bandwidth.
Now how is a text editor related to bandwidth?
edit: nvm, just read it.

But in our multi-MBit days, it is still not a bad idea to use lightweight software. It hasn't become worse over all the years.  cheesy
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« Reply #40 on: March 10, 2010, 07:46:28 PM »

What can you do in UE that is more advanced?

I think the key thing is that when you're in column mode in UE and have a column selected what you type goes on all lines in the column. Some people seem to use it a lot (I'm not one of them, but can see it being handy if you do need it).
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« Reply #41 on: March 11, 2010, 06:15:10 AM »

Which works fine for copying text or doing find/replace, but pretty much not anything else - definitely not comparable to a column editing mode smiley

What can you do in UE that is more advanced?
Haven't used UE for years, so can't speak about that - but Notepad++'s column editing mode is rather simple. It's not as bad as I remembered it being, though, after just grabbing a recent version: you can actually do edits affecting the selected block. But it feels like somewhat of a hack: as soon as you do any kind of navigation, you're no longer in "column editing mode". I guess it's based around a selection block, but once you start typing the selection block is no longer visible, and shift+tab isn't all intuitive either.
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« Reply #42 on: March 12, 2010, 03:18:11 AM »

pspad for writing code, textpad for sorting files and reg ex , edit plus for running and editing scripts, notepad++ just because
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« Reply #43 on: March 14, 2010, 05:13:31 PM »

PSPad has no code-folding, but I make do with the code explorer.

To all the VIMers and EMACSers: I too love VIM (not EMACS), but I think not everyone is into the right mindset for this kind of editors in this day and age. Bill Joy himself claims he wrote vi for a very different era, one with only 300 bps of bandwidth.

Well Pspad is definetely a good app. But it is not as sophisticated as Vim in my view smiley Vim offers one of the best code folding customization out there in my opinion.

The weird thing about Vim(I use gvim) is that it feels very archaic in the beginning but then you appreciate how  sophisticated it is later. Vim also offers an amazing custom coloration features.

Since I have started using Vim code syntax and vim code colors, my coding activity has increased dramatically becuase it has become so much fun to deal with text and code.
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« Reply #44 on: March 14, 2010, 05:20:25 PM »

For me, PSPad had some serious performance problems (just like Slickedit, which has fine config abilities indeed). I wonder why.
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« Reply #45 on: November 06, 2010, 12:36:02 PM »

I do tons of html/css coding.
Let's say for example, I have the following simple code:

[copy or print]
</head>



<body>
2 html tags separated by several blank rows.

Currently, in Notepad++ (v5.7 as of this entry), I have to manually delete the few rows between those tags.
I've got dozens of pages that need this correction.
Sometimes, it's between the closing of one div tag, and the opening of another, so now I've got dozens of (what I call) GAPS inbetween my code.
No biggie, as it's just wasted space, a few bytes here and there.
But when I'm done coding a site, that's one of the last things that I do. Is remove all the unnecessary spaces, tabs, etc. to shave off some download times. Minimal, yes, but over several dozen and sometimes a hundred pages, it makes a difference.

I would have thought that doing a Find & Replace using
[copy or print]
</head>\n\n\n<body>
would work, but it doesn't.


Does anyone know of a multi-line editor (lightweight ofcourse) to assist in this little feature?
Or perhaps a plugin?
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« Reply #46 on: November 06, 2010, 12:51:27 PM »

Vim can.

:%s/\n\{2,}//g or something should do.
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« Reply #47 on: November 06, 2010, 12:55:11 PM »

Vim can.

:%s/\n\{2,}//g or something should do.
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That's scary just looking at it.

I was hoping to avoid regular expressions.

When I used to use EditPad (years ago) it had a feature that I could highlight a few rows, and hit the Find & Replace hotkey. It allows multiline ability like that. I'll check it out.
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I find it a little time consuming having to learn a new app just for a simple function, but it was simple.
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« Reply #48 on: November 06, 2010, 01:42:12 PM »

I would have thought that doing a Find & Replace using
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</head>\n\n\n<body>
would work, but it doesn't.

I assume you have search mode set to extended to allow escapes like \n. If your file is using DOS line endings, try using \r\n instead of just \n.
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« Reply #49 on: November 06, 2010, 01:52:12 PM »

I assume you have search mode set to extended to allow escapes like \n. If your file is using DOS line endings, try using \r\n instead of just \n.
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