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steeladept:
Yes, I tend to agree, but finding API details when you don't have a MSDN subscription can be a b****.
The one thing I like about Java over EVERY other language I have tried to work with is the self-describing documentation that can be viewed with any HTML browser. Moreover, it is instantly available online or off (because it just reads the details from the jar file as part of your SDK). It's format is also VERY easy to understand.
If Microsoft's API documentation was that easy to access and understand, I probably never would have started with Java. Since it isn't....
Renegade:
Yes, I tend to agree, but finding API details when you don't have a MSDN subscription can be a b****.
The one thing I like about Java over EVERY other language I have tried to work with is the self-describing documentation that can be viewed with any HTML browser. Moreover, it is instantly available online or off (because it just reads the details from the jar file as part of your SDK). It's format is also VERY easy to understand.
If Microsoft's API documentation was that easy to access and understand, I probably never would have started with Java. Since it isn't....
-steeladept (June 26, 2011, 12:44 PM)
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I'm not sure I follow you there. You can get all the documentation from the MS site. You don't need an MSDN subscription.
I actually have found the MSDN documentation to be much better and easier than other languages/SDKs/APIs.
Want a nightmare? Go try something with the Facebook API. Good f**king luck. In addition to being total s**t documentation, the API is broken. So, you are fumbling around in the dark, and running into land mines.
http://cynic.me/tag/facebook/
http://cynic.me/2011/06/09/wtf-is-an-id-for/
http://cynic.me/2011/06/09/getting-the-album-id-with-the-facebook-c-sdk/
http://cynic.me/2011/06/22/logging-out-of-facebook-with-c-sdk/
I'm not sure what problems you've been trying to solve. Most often I can solve problems by searching and finding community articles. Community is really important, and that's a strength in .NET. You don't get that with some things.
But for docs, MS is damn good. And one of the reasons I tend to side with MS technologies. I just don't like farting around with zero docs. I have better things to do, like solve my own problems. :)
Eóin:
While I had an MSDN subscription I had no better access to documentation than now. Got to agree with Renegade, MS docs are excellent.
mashmata:
Yes, I tend to agree, but finding API details when you don't have a MSDN subscription can be a b****.
The one thing I like about Java over EVERY other language I have tried to work with is the self-describing documentation that can be viewed with any HTML browser. Moreover, it is instantly available online or off (because it just reads the details from the jar file as part of your SDK). It's format is also VERY easy to understand.
If Microsoft's API documentation was that easy to access and understand, I probably never would have started with Java. Since it isn't....
-steeladept (June 26, 2011, 12:44 PM)
--- End quote ---
I'm not sure I follow you there. You can get all the documentation from the MS site. You don't need an MSDN subscription.
I actually have found the MSDN documentation to be much better and easier than other languages/SDKs/APIs.
Want a nightmare? Go try something with the Facebook API. Good f**king luck. In addition to being total s**t documentation, the API is broken. So, you are fumbling around in the dark, and running into land mines.
http://cynic.me/tag/facebook/
http://cynic.me/2011/06/09/wtf-is-an-id-for/
http://cynic.me/2011/06/09/getting-the-album-id-with-the-facebook-c-sdk/
http://cynic.me/2011/06/22/logging-out-of-facebook-with-c-sdk/
I'm not sure what problems you've been trying to solve. Most often I can solve problems by searching and finding community articles. Community is really important, and that's a strength in .NET. You don't get that with some things.
But for docs, MS is damn good. And one of the reasons I tend to side with MS technologies. I just don't like farting around with zero docs. I have better things to do, like solve my own problems. :)
-Renegade (June 26, 2011, 01:03 PM)
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This is a good piece of advice, many thanks
steeladept:
I'm not sure I follow you there. You can get all the documentation from the MS site. You don't need an MSDN subscription.
I actually have found the MSDN documentation to be much better and easier than other languages/SDKs/APIs.
Want a nightmare? Go try something with the Facebook API. Good f**king luck.
-Renegade (June 26, 2011, 01:03 PM)
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No thank you - I don't need any more nightmares either. Maybe it is just that I don't know where to look/how to search for the proper API's then. I just know every time I looked for different information on various classes, method, whatever; I could never find them and when I asked other developers I work with, they always say you have to look it up in MSDN. When I tell them I don't have a subscription, they always told me they couldn't help me then. Guess I should have known better and asked here instead :-[ When I go to change languages to C#, I will definitely know who to ask if I get stuck trying to find documentation :Thmbsup:
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