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NANY 2009 Release: Trout (audio player)

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skwire:
I really hope the basic tag editing capabilities I added in this build will be enough for most folks.  I honestly have no desire to extend Trout in this area when there are SOOO many much more capable tag editors out there.  Please, please, please try this out on copies of your files and report to me any bugs.  I've tested it out here but I will continue to use mp3Tag for all my tag editing needs.


v1.0.1 build 80
    + Added "Rescan tags of selected files" to the edit menu.
    + Added BASIC tag editing capabilities to Trout.  There are some caveats.
      You can only edit one file at a time and, by default, the following
      tag types will be written to the following file types:
       
      mp3   ID3v2 tags
      aac   ID3v2 tags
      wma   WMA fields
      ape   APEv2 tags
      flac  Vorbis comments
      ogg   Vorbis comments
      mp4   Not implemented yet
      wav   None
       
      You can TRY to force ID3v1, ID3v2, and/or APEv2 tags by checking the
      appropriate boxes.  This does not work for all file types.
    + Added another section to the statusbar that shows the total number of
      tracks in the playlist as well as whatever row is focused e.g. 2/12.     

app103:
The tagging is perfect for me. I didn't really need more than what you have done. I agree with you about there being better tagging editors, if you are ripping CD's.

But what this single tag editing is great for is for filling in the most important data that is occasional missing on a song I have downloaded from somewhere. (usually not a full album of files and instead only a track or 2)

I get a lot of stuff from sites like last.fm and garageband.com. (I am really into obscure, undiscovered artists/music and collect a lot of stray songs) The latter is really bad with tagging, sometimes, jamming both artist & title into the title tag and leaving the artist empty (not always easy to spot in a playlist in Winamp), or sometimes it's in all caps (yuck!), or it's just a complete mess.

This single file tag editing and <missing> makes it much easier to spot and quickly fix, when I get a file like that, and much easier to fix the file names with a better application like mp3tag, later on (yeah, often the file names are a bit messed up, too, and this stuff usually isn't in any CD databases...it needs all the help it can get before I can run it through mp3tag, and it has to be done manually)

Here is an example of some of the messy stray songs I have recently acquired (before fixing it):

file name: Zombies___the_Woodsman-Belle_Isle.mp3

How it displays in Trout:


How it displays in Winamp:


Where I downloaded the file from: (foul language warning!) http://www.garageband.com/artist/belleisle/songs

This artist isn't Asian (he's British), so there is no good reason for it to be looking like that in either player (or for me to leave it like that).

Maybe you could add a Queue List (with HotKey and rightclickmenu entry to add tracks )?

Possible ways to realize it:
- separate window with 1,2,3... track's in a list in the playing order.
  > additional option: auto remove last played track from Queue, if  Checkbox is set to.(<-prefer this solution)
-apfel (January 12, 2009, 12:10 PM)
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I like this idea...a lot! Just keep removing songs from the playlist after they are played, till the list is empty.

It could be added as another type of play mode and no additional window would really be necessary.

Hmmm...I never listen to music like this.  I usually just load up an album or two and play them.  Is there another player out that does this?
-skwire (January 12, 2009, 04:24 PM)
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There is only one that I know of offhand (lala.com) but it's a web based player for "storing" and streaming your own collection from any location, and it limits you to 50 files in both playlists & queue, and often it doesn't save your queue between sessions. There is no way to just load up my whole collection and let it go, adding new files as I acquire them, and picking up where I left off on the last session.

If Trout could do that, it would be fantastic!

apfel:
Is there another player out that does this?
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Yes, foobar have a plugin, which can assign/bind a new playlist as a queue-showing-playlist. You can have a big playlist with many albums and enqueue diffrent tracks, which are displayed at the queue playlist.

seekbar
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When I try to seek through the track the slider jumps backs on its previous position.
It only works with realy big jumps like some seconds befor end of track. Same behavior with mouswheel.

Edit: Okay, found out you need to drag the slider to the wished position and release, but after release fast left click on the slider again to "confirm" the position.

skwire:
Yes, foobar have a plugin, which can assign/bind a new playlist as a queue-showing-playlist. You can have a big playlist with many albums and enqueue diffrent tracks, which are displayed at the queue playlist.
-apfel (January 13, 2009, 10:42 AM)
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At this point, I would prefer to keep Trout with a single list.  Would adding another play mode that removes the tracks as they play be sufficient?

When I try to seek through the track the slider jumps backs on its previous position.
It only works with realy big jumps like some seconds befor end of track. Same behavior with mouswheel.

Edit: Okay, found out you need to drag the slider to the wished position and release, but after release fast left click on the slider again to "confirm" the position.
-apfel (January 13, 2009, 10:42 AM)
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In regards to the large jumps, I think we're running into the limitations of the standard slider control.  As for your second issue, you shouldn't have to left-click again on the thumb to set the position.  It should move to the new track position as soon as you release the thumb.  It does here, anyway.  Can anybody else confirm this?

nogojoe:

In regards to the large jumps, I think we're running into the limitations of the standard slider control.  As for your second issue, you shouldn't have to left-click again on the thumb to set the position.  It should move to the new track position as soon as you release the thumb.  It does here, anyway.  Can anybody else confirm this?

-skwire (January 14, 2009, 12:03 AM)
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I have had a play with the slider control and I get no response from using the mousewheel.(Not that I would ever use it)

The slider control works OK with me as long as you hold the mouse pointer right on it, slides back and forth giving the track time, no jumping back and forth as such as  apfel described.

The only time that happened was when I clicked the seekbar on either side of the control slider then it jumps about 54 seconds forward and back can't really see any need to be doing that though.

However it takes 3 clicks on the seekbar forward of the slider control to go from the start to the finish of a song there could be some use in doing that if you want a quick preview of a song.

nogojoe

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