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Lessons from 2 years without Windows
zridling:
If you are considering making the move, do not listen to anyone who tells you Linux has equivalents for your favorite Windows programs. It does not and it cannot, and recent versions of anything rarely run in Wine. And really, if you are going to depend on Wine, why not just use Windows?
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I agree with the author, Derrick, that using Wine is more trouble than its worth, and YES, if you're going to depend on Wine, then just stick with Windows (you'll be happier). Even though, the few apps I have loaded using Wine, I could not tell the difference in speed, specifically NewsLeecher, Photofiltre, and AutoHotkey. But OpenOffice 3 does run natively on the Mac now, and not within a windowed X11 session; also, it now tracks changes well.
Derrick, I'm wondering why you're stuck using Ubuntu. Why not Ubuntu Studio or Sabayon? Telling a Linux user not to customize is like telling an addict not to take another hit. ;D
I started using GNU/Linux in October of 2006, but then finally made a full switch a year later. I think what either a distro of one of the major Window environments must do is work on the small stuff that makes Windows and Mac so "useful." Linux's first focus is always on developers and their needs, and not necessarily common end users like myself. However, I've been surprised that my new digital camera works out of the box on Linux, as do all my HP printer(s), and any USB stick I can throw in it.
Until it becomes a major player in the industrial desktop market, the companies who have already spent decades setting the industry standard will not invest in bringing their big programs to Linux. Just accept it.
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This will likely not happen anytime soon. The difference is cloud computing and SaaS solutions. Yes, the graphic professional needs photoshop, but the rest of us, the vast majority, never will. Same goes for corporations. In a company that employs over 75,000 people, with 55,000 of them using computers throughout the day, Linux devices are far more nimble and customizable than a Windows device ever could be. Check the netbook and smartphone markets to start with. I'm not arguing against Photoshop or QuarkXpress, but professional shops use those apps and their prices reflect that. Little ol' Zaine Ridling pissing around editing and resizing his own digital photo collection can get the same results from a hundred different free and shareware apps rather than shelling out $899.
If you treat your Linux desktop as the reliable place to handle basic tasks, enjoy games, chat, watch movies, and maybe do some small work on the side, then the software it has today is more than enough. Keep Windows or Mac for your actual workstation and equip them with just that—the software you need to work.
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I've been able to make the switch quite well, but then my work has to do with data analysis and databases, not editing movies and graphics. Now if you use FileMaker, for instance, you won't get that kind of UI beauty on Linux, but I have to use MySQL anyway given the very large data sets I work with. So that depends on what you do as 'work.' For example, check out slideshare.net, which can import and use a wide variety of formats, starting with ODF.
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D--: what makes VirtualBox superior to VMWare, in your opinion? I like Virtualization stuff, but vmware has worked so well for me that I haven't really bothered to look at anything else (save bochs and qemu, but those are mostly useful for kernel development and not as much for vm needs).
Btw, as for the ALT+0151 thing, it should be possible to set up some keyboard mapping to give you the shortcuts you want... on windows as well as linux :)
-f0dder (November 13, 2008, 08:56 AM)
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VirtualBox has a kernel module that gives it ring-1 level access to your CPU. Its commands are executed natively, rather than emulated. Only the attached hardware devices run through emulation. This results in a massive speed up, especially on older hardware. However, its OS support is very limited. It is good for XP or Linux, but you will never get it working with most DOS variants or QNX, all of which VMWare handles perfectly.
Regarding the ALT+0151 thing, do you know how to do this from Xfce and while using the SCIM input method? I do not use xim because I need to be able to input non-English text. All the guides on the Ubuntu Web site assume xim in a Gnome environment.
Derrick, I'm wondering why you're stuck using Ubuntu. Why not Ubuntu Studio or Sabayon? Telling a Linux user not to customize is like telling an addict not to take another hit. ;D
-zridling (November 13, 2008, 09:02 PM)
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I could use either, but I don't. Xubuntu is my preferred distribution, and on my hardware the RT kernel of UbuntuStudio would not offer any significant advantage. Regarding customization, I think my main target was tweaking outside of /home/--where packages are apt (GAW HAW HAW, APT-GET IT? HAW) to overwrite any of your customizations through routine updates pushed onto the system. There's nothing wrong with dropping in some new Gtk themes or window decorations in your home folder. Well, nothing except root being retarded and unable to use themes placed anywhere outside /usr/share/ ... Oh well, I guess that makes for one ugly Synaptic.
I'm not arguing against Photoshop or QuarkXpress, but professional shops use those apps and their prices reflect that. Little ol' Zaine Ridling pissing around editing and resizing his own digital photo collection can get the same results from a hundred different free and shareware apps rather than shelling out $899.
-zridling (November 13, 2008, 09:02 PM)
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I couldn't agree more! That's why I said I can use the Gimp for some basic things. If I need to work up an avatar image or add stupid text to the graphic of a cat, Photoshop would be like using a tank to kill a gnat. Heck, it's even fine if your digital work doesn't extend much beyond tweaking white balance, curves and levels with a couple glances at the histogram. Similarly, I said Scribus is great for making a little newsletter, a card or a flier. You would be stupid, however, to use it for designing a newspaper or typesetting a full-size novel.
Open source software has great solutions that do more than enough for any casual user! It only falls short in the area of professional function. But again. That's why those big programs cost so much: professionals use them to produce material on which they earn a living.
I've been able to make the switch quite well, but then my work has to do with data analysis and databases, not editing movies and graphics. Now if you use FileMaker, for instance, you won't get that kind of UI beauty on Linux, but I have to use MySQL anyway given the very large data sets I work with. So that depends on what you do as 'work.' For example, check out slideshare.net, which can import and use a wide variety of formats, starting with ODF.
-f0dder (November 13, 2008, 08:56 AM)
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Once again, I'm in complete agreement. If your tasks involve databases an non-win32 programming, I'm sure Linux has many fantastic solutions. Even in 2001 all the comp science people were geeked about KDevelop. I've never been a C programmer or a KDE user, so I never bothered to look at it. However, I'm sure it's even more amazing today. There are a lot of careers where Linux may offer better software solutions than Windows or Mac.
However, its software is not effective at meeting the needs of people who do typesetting, graphic design, audio mixing or video editing at a level beyond the casual user.
Moral of the story: Linux makes a fabulous desktop and I suffer no setbacks keeping mine for average use and old school gaming. However, I also need a workstation, on which I install the professional software packages that have the features I need to do my job. I work at the workstation, and I kill time, surf, browse, chat and watch movies on my Linux desktop.
f0dder:
VirtualBox has a kernel module that gives it ring-1 level access to your CPU. Its commands are executed natively, rather than emulated. Only the attached hardware devices run through emulation. This results in a massive speed up, especially on older hardware.-D-- (November 22, 2008, 08:19 AM)
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VMWare does the same, plus it has special drivers of graphics and network cards to speed up things massively. Again, what makes VirtualBox superior? :)
Regarding the ALT+0151 thing, do you know how to do this from Xfce and while using the SCIM input method? I do not use xim because I need to be able to input non-English text. All the guides on the Ubuntu Web site assume xim in a Gnome environment.-D-- (November 22, 2008, 08:19 AM)
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Nope, sorry - but I'm absolutely sure it's doable :)
Even in 2001 all the comp science people were geeked about KDevelop. I've never been a C programmer or a KDE user, so I never bothered to look at it. However, I'm sure it's even more amazing today. There are a lot of careers where Linux may offer better software solutions than Windows or Mac.-D-- (November 22, 2008, 08:19 AM)
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KDevelop, Anjuta, Code::Blocks etc are all inferior to Visual Studio. Pretty sad state of affairs. The best non-VS IDE I've seen is Eclipse, which is OK for JAVA development (haven't tried it for C++), but has it's own quirks...
PS: you have a misquote in your last post, citing me and not zridling as the source :)
steeladept:
Not to get too far off course here, but I have used both VMWare Workstation and VirtualBox extensively. I concur that VirtualBox is better. Why? 1) Faster - don't know why, maybe it is a setting or something, but out of the box it is significantly faster. 2) Cheaper - Nuf said. 3) Okay, this may sound weird and is definitely a personal opinion, but it is from Sun. I have looked back and Sun has created or bought an extraordinary collection of (arguably) best of breed solutions in a variety of subsectors. MySQL, OpenOffice, and now VirtualBox are just 3 of the most common (and also widely accepted as the best example of their kind).
As for VMWare, it is great after it's kind. I am a diehard VMWare User's Group member as well, and I do like their products very much. In fact, in some ways it is much easier to use. However, I am turned off by the cost prohibitive pricing structure as well as the marginalization of non-server systems. Perhaps the recent announcements will prove my wrong on this last point and they were just in hiatus during development, but asside from Workstation 6.5, there has been precious little movement on the deskside development. Indeed, there has been little development on anything other than VI3 and the newly announced "corporate cloud computing" (my term, I forgot the name and too lazy to look it up at the moment). While I agree the servers are where the money is and, despite my distaste for it, cloud computing will completely marginalize and commoditize the end user devices if it develops as planned; it completely ignores the fact that the virtualization of these devices can revolutionize computing with or without a cloud. Many already use virtualization products on the desktop for just this reason. If VMWare put money in developing a Type I hypervisor for the desktop that was as full featured as VI3 and as small as their current free hypervisor (again I forget the name - getting late), then they could (potentially) be as big as MS almost overnight. Give OS writers a common platform to program against ala console game machines, while giving driver writers a common core to write to regardless of OS. To me it is a no brainer. But there I go dreaming again...
Anyway, I have issues with the way Maritz is directing the company, but that does not take away from the premium quality of the products they do have. I just wish they didn't come with such a premium price. With VirtualBox it doesn't.
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VMWare does the same, plus it has special drivers of graphics and network cards to speed up things massively. Again, what makes VirtualBox superior? :)
-f0dder (November 22, 2008, 09:09 AM)
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You are right. I remember VMWare running a Perl script to compile its kernel modules when last I used it. I cannot offer you numbers to back anything up, because I have better things to do with my time than design ways to run benchmarks without being paid for it. However, from an end user standpoint, I believe VirtualBox performed much snappier on my arguably older hardware. VMWare is a great product, and it has far better OS support than VirtualBox. It does many things VirtualBox cannot. However, I have found it much faster when running a Windows guest on a Linux host.
Regarding the ALT+0151 thing, do you know how to do this from Xfce and while using the SCIM input method? I do not use xim because I need to be able to input non-English text. All the guides on the Ubuntu Web site assume xim in a Gnome environment.-D-- (November 22, 2008, 08:19 AM)
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Nope, sorry - but I'm absolutely sure it's doable :)
-f0dder (November 22, 2008, 09:09 AM)
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I'd love to know how. I cannot find any documentation on how to do this at either the Xfce or Xubuntu projects. The only option was was through xim to manually enter a unicode value. For example, press CTRL+SHIFT+U, then type 2014 and hit space to get —. You could map a compose key in xim, but then you have to hit it, release, then push two more keys in sequence. That's not my idea of intuitive when compared to combinations like CTRL+- and SHIFT+CTRL+- ...
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