I have done very little, concerning frames, due to my change of age yesterday, but I guess I will have to get back to earth from now. The first step might be to investigate some of the frames CleverCat have been so kind to mail me, so I may understand more about the object. Of course I would also like to test idImager in order to see if there are any noticeable differences, concerning frames. As you said, they use the same engine, but regarding frames I would like to know if idImager is offering some valuable extras, having an in-built editor, other than idFramer does.