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Google Chrome -- key reasons for its debut
app103:
Check out the Chrome beta if you get a chance -- it's definitely stripped-down: no status bar, no menu bar, and only a single toolbar (for bookmarks). Chrome is minimalist in the extreme.
-zridling (September 04, 2008, 03:58 AM)
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I can't. My OS is not supported and will never be supported.
Which OS is that? They've already announced that they will release Linux and OSX versions after the Windows version is beta tested.
-zridling (September 04, 2008, 03:58 AM)
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Windows ME
app103: as a user of old&slow machines, you should've appreciated MSJVM... it performs helluvalot better than sun's crap. The fact that MS did some somewhat dirty practices with it of course is bad, but the whole lawsuit thing sucks because in the end we're stuck with a single sub-par JVM.
-f0dder (September 04, 2008, 04:31 AM)
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I agree, but thanks to dirty practices, we no longer have the option of using it, do we?
10x faster than the JS engine currently in FireFox, and open-source?
-f0dder (September 04, 2008, 04:31 AM)
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As far as open source goes, Firefox will win here...and I think that is the real intention and why Mozilla isn't very nervous about it.
Squash IE and any browser that depends on it's engine like Maxthon and AOL's browser, squash Opera, squash anything closed source. Kill any chances of anyone ever developing a browser and profiting from their hard work, unless they have google's permission to do so, which can only be done if you support their search engine and whatever else they tell you. How else is an open source browser going to make a dime for its developer unless Google is the default search engine?
I believe mouser could be partially right. It's a bullying tactic. But Mozilla and Opera aren't the only targets...all browsers are.
They're actually hoping other browsers will implement their javascript improvements to create a more equal level playing field, and provide the support to do so.
-justice (September 04, 2008, 05:04 AM)
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Can't do that unless your browser is open source.
Google's goal is all browsers to be open source and sporting Google as the default search engine, and developers will play their game or starve.
So this should be all good.
-justice (September 04, 2008, 05:04 AM)
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Good for Google.
justice:
from: http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/9/live-google-s-web-browser-chrome-press-conference-goog-?src=buzz
Q: Would you consider it a success if IE9 was built on Chrome?
A: Sergey: We would consider that a success, and even if IE9 was much better, we would consider that a success. Our business is Web usage, and that's why we work hard on making sure people can access the Internet on cell phones, that's why we bid on the wireless spectrum. Any improvement to any set of browsers is good for Google.
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Mark0:
A negative take on Chrome from OSNews. Not saying i agree with all of it, but i think it's worth sharing:-mouser (September 03, 2008, 02:37 PM)
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Indeed, near all the comments agree that's one of the worst article OS news has ever published: highly biased, inaccurate, presenting personal conjecture as facts, etc.
Maybe is a sign of the MS damage control team/army in action? ;)
f0dder:
app103: as a user of old&slow machines, you should've appreciated MSJVM... it performs helluvalot better than sun's crap. The fact that MS did some somewhat dirty practices with it of course is bad, but the whole lawsuit thing sucks because in the end we're stuck with a single sub-par JVM.
-f0dder (September 04, 2008, 04:31 AM)
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I agree, but thanks to dirty practices, we no longer have the option of using it, do we? -app103 (September 04, 2008, 05:44 AM)
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I wonder just how dirty MS's practices wrt. the JVM was, though, and how much Sun wanted to shut MSJVM down because it made them look like silly snails. If the whole complaint was about "extensions", keep JNI in mind. (But yeah, provide anyting substantial through JNI, and that would be bullying from MS...)
kartal:
zridling and mwang
While I have posted rather these long terms worries under Chrome topic, I am not that worried about chrome itself that much in short terms. It is more of a product and it is rather a solid structure where I can distinguish it and leave it out if I do not want to, at least for now. On the other hand Google`s other services have softer lines you do not know where one is ending another is starting. And that is how google data mines and connects the dots. That is where many people do not understand how these gray lines can be invasion of your privacy. Google tries extra hard to blend these borders and promote it as convenience to end user. But never ever forget that no for profit entity is interested in your convenience only. They want something back in return, something that is more than they spend (naturally), which is called profit.
I do not use any google service or tool , so it is easy for me to complain and pinpoint. I have made this desicion and it is my desicion. But the problem is that that sticky slug never leaves me around pages. Where ever I go there is google adsense, when I look for a house or apartment, all linked to google maps. ANyways sure I am blocking all adsense , and never click on those google map links. But you get the picture. The issue is I need to work very very hard and give up alot to stay away from Google and its services. If you think this is convenience that is fine but it is hardship for me.
Those who tries ridicule meaningful discussions like privacy would say but your cell phone company can track you , you know that. Yes I know they can use triangulation to find out where I am(if my cell phone has no gps). That is why I turn my cell phone on only when I need to call someone. Now I am not worried about them watching me at all, I am not worried that ohh man they will come and get me. That is childish. But I know and understand the game and the technology where a man is just a blinking light on the map, just a data that leaves a data trail behind. And this idea bothers me so I do not like to be part of the this game. It feels like the very generic scientific experiment where the mice tries to find the exit in a maze. I do not want to be part of this game where my movements are recorded in any possible media, analyzed, destructured, turn into a product and served to me later as a new convenient product that can be used to track my habits further more. If you are fine with this game it is your choice. But there are those like me who want to enjoy life as it is rather than these preplanned, foreseed life styles. In these modern times everything is planned for you, they work very very hard to make sure that you think like what they want you to think. You may try to ridicule this idea if so that means that you have no idea about the limits, the abilities and the tools of social engineering, public relationship, lobbying,marketing companies. Everything you see on the tv is preplanned to put you in certain mood or feeling. I do not own a tv and I have not watched tv for 10 years(except 5 minutes here and there like at airport for news. And I am probably more informed about many issues than most of you because I use that time to read and analyze rather than spend on shitty tv shows). Everytime a politician talks about something, they prepare a set so that his/her message is supported extra in case their message is very weak. Now if you are happy with this kind of life where everything is a facade, everyhing is part of a movie set, a hollywood gig or mtv studio, I unwillingly say that is fine. But I do not enjoy this. And Google plays its role in this rig. Google is singled out because it has become so big so omnipresent that it can provide more dangerouss tools to those who like to manipulate societies further. That is why Google should be scrutinized more.
When you see these things happen in a movie you all watch and enjoy, like in minority report or other genre movies. But the fact is that we are already living in the future, just that it seems like many of you sleeping and dreaming in past.
zridling, when you say that "Google has never correlated data", do you have any solid evidence that it never has done it? I myself was not accusing google of particular injustices so I can not give you spesific example. My problem with Google or Googlelikes is a larger issue of dominance and power. I am sure they do not abuse the data they collect(except in chinese goverment case) . But that does not mean they should not be collecting the data they are collecting now. At least the data they are collecting in different services should kept seperate. But you know every of those companies mention sharing your data with 3rd parties to improve their services. This is such a dark and shady area that has kept me away from using services of many companies, including Evernote. everytime I see this third party bullshit, I just stay away.
On the otherhand back to browser wars, I always thought that Opera was more intuitive than others in the game. I am not an Opera user but it seems like Opera has understood things in a different way. And that is probably because of origins of these browsers. As I know Opera is from Europe on the other hand IE and FF have more American slant. I am neither european nor american so i can see the difference under different light.
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