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Armando:
The philosopher Nelson Goodman had some ideas that are relevant to the audiophile/wine specialist/Orville Redenbacher popcorn (and to some extent... Spinrite  :P). Here's an excerpt from "Goodman's Aesthetics" (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy) :

With regard to two visually indiscernible paintings, an original and a copy, Goodman addresses the question whether there is any aesthetic difference between the two pictures (1976, 99-102). Notice that, if there is a difference, it must not depend on what one can visually discern at the present time, for ex hypothesis, there is no such visual difference that can currently be detected. Goodman's answer is that there is an aesthetic difference between the two paintings even now, when we are unable to tell one painting from the other, for an awareness that one is the original and the other a copy informs us that a difference may be perceived, and indeed modifies our present perception of the two paintings: now, for instance, we look for differences between the two paintings, we train our eyes and minds to discriminate differences that are currently indiscernible (1976, 103-105). Goodman's takes his claims to be general and as granting the conclusion that “the aesthetic properties of a picture include not only those found by looking at it but also those the determine how it is to be looked at” (1976, 111-112). Hence, even with pictures that are not “perfect” copies of other pictures, indeed with any picture, knowing how it should be classified—including its classification by authorship, as a Rembrandt, a Vermeer, or a Van Meegeren—makes a difference to how the picture may be perceived. For perceiving is, after all, determined by the labels that one projects over what is presented in front of one's eyes. It must be noticed, then, that this claim is all within a theory of perception and, while claiming that non-perceptible features are relevant to perception, hence are relevant to aesthetic experience, it does not claim that non-perceptible features as such are relevant to aesthetic experience.
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 Context is everything... Or almost.

oldfart:
In response to Hirudin:  The wine fiasco happened some time back in the Seventies.  Sadly, my memory is like a mirror and I cannot recall the label that used bulk wine but it was a major scandal in France and I suspect there would me a mention of it if I could figure out what to look for where. 
It reminds me of a story my dad told.  In the late Thirties he worked at a grocery during high school.  There were two milk suppliers in the area, Amboy Milk and Lawton Milk.  The two companies had a marketing agreement and while the grocery got all it's milk from the Amboy dairy, the store had two rubber stamps, one for each dairy.  People would come in and order the brand of milk they wanted and dad would go back to the cooler, grab a bottle of milk and stamp the cork with either Amboy's or Lawton's logo.  People swore by one brand or the other and wouldn't drink the opposite brand.  They never knew that it all came out of the same cows. 

oldfart:
I just found this reference in a news story about a new wine scandal:  "Citing the Giscours affair, several French wine commentators noted that when one property is accused of fraud, suspicion quickly falls on the entire region. They recalled the scandals of 1972 and 1973 in which one of the most famous exporters, the Cruse firm, was found guilty of offenses similar to those with which Giscours is charged. In the aftermath, the entire Bordeaux market collapsed. Chateaus were shuttered or sold, and the wine business did not recover until the end of the decade."  It is from an article in the NY Times.  Here's the headline:  " Bordeaux Winemaker Is Charged With Fraud Over Contents of Its Products"

Deozaan:
This topic is kind of funny because just in the past week or two was a Law and Order show where some guy who owned a winery was labeling his wine as being really old but it was actually very young. One of the ways the police became suspicious of it was to bring in a wine connoisseur and he "tasted" the difference. Said it was too sour, had a particular flavor, etc.

I've never had a drop of alcohol, so I don't know if that's realistic, but all these anecdotes about water, wine, popcorn, etc. lead me to believe it's just as much bull honky as these examples.

I just found this reference in a news story about a new wine scandal:  "Citing the Giscours affair, several French wine commentators noted that when one property is accused of fraud, suspicion quickly falls on the entire region. They recalled the scandals of 1972 and 1973 in which one of the most famous exporters, the Cruse firm, was found guilty of offenses similar to those with which Giscours is charged. In the aftermath, the entire Bordeaux market collapsed. Chateaus were shuttered or sold, and the wine business did not recover until the end of the decade."  It is from an article in the NY Times.  Here's the headline:  " Bordeaux Winemaker Is Charged With Fraud Over Contents of Its Products"
-oldfart (March 29, 2008, 10:16 AM)
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vegas:
Fine, you want (monster) quality cables without paying the 800% markup.  www.MONOPRICE.com  That's all one needs to know. No one in the WORLD could tell the difference. NO ONE.

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