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Last post Author Topic: Maybe Vista doesn't suck?  (Read 36622 times)

Lashiec

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Re: Maybe Vista doesn't suck?
« Reply #75 on: December 02, 2007, 12:51:39 PM »
The funny thing is those who were home taping in those years are the ones directing the companies pushing DRM down everyone's throat.

Or maybe they were the ones who refused to do it, got laughed off by the cool kids, and now they're taking their revenge ;D

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Re: Maybe Vista doesn't suck?
« Reply #76 on: December 02, 2007, 01:17:47 PM »
I'm not sure that I follow, Lashiec... Are you suggesting that the directors of the RIAA companies that are being so dogmatic about DRM are the same kids that were home taping "in the day" (or that they were the nerdy ones spending their paperroute money on legit Perry Como LPs)?
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Re: Maybe Vista doesn't suck?
« Reply #77 on: December 02, 2007, 01:27:03 PM »
Could be one of those two things. I suggest a EFF-funded investigation of those people's past :)

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Re: Maybe Vista doesn't suck?
« Reply #78 on: December 02, 2007, 01:50:21 PM »
The funny thing is those who were home taping in those years are the ones directing the companies pushing DRM down everyone's throat.

Or maybe they were the ones who refused to do it, got laughed off by the cool kids, and now they're taking their revenge ;D

Interesting idea, but most of the RIAA top dogs are wrinkly white dudes in their 60's and 70's.  That would put them in their 30's or 40's during the "recoding on tape is the new Apocalypse" era.  Not saying they WEREN'T guilty of that which they accuse the world, but they weren't kids.

Which, if they were engaging in such heinous activities, makes their hypocrisy even worse.  Kids can use the defense that they don't know any better.

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Re: Maybe Vista doesn't suck?
« Reply #79 on: December 02, 2007, 02:05:36 PM »
Oh, then the situation is a bit different from Spain. BTW, wasn't the son of one of those top dogs involved in P2P interchange of songs?

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Re: Maybe Vista doesn't suck?
« Reply #80 on: December 02, 2007, 03:05:59 PM »
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Ralf: Interesting idea, but most of the RIAA top dogs are wrinkly white dudes in their 60's and 70's.  That would put them in their 30's or 40's during the "recoding on tape is the new Apocalypse" era.

I think you're about a decade adrift there, Ralf. I think that someone in their 60's would have been in their 20's then. Remember when, for example, The Beatles (through their company, Apple) promised to introduce a way to prevent tape recording from their records?

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Re: Maybe Vista doesn't suck?
« Reply #81 on: December 02, 2007, 03:16:16 PM »
Whelp... 1980 was 27 years ago.  Somebody who just turned 60 now would've been 33 years old.  A 70-year-old, 43.  High quality cassette tape recorders were just starting to become affordable right about then.

If you're thinking of VHS/Betamax, that would've been around 1975 or so.

Oh christ!  Are you using that fancy european metric time?

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Re: Maybe Vista doesn't suck?
« Reply #82 on: December 02, 2007, 04:58:28 PM »
??? I had cassette tapes back in the early 70s. OK they weren't great but we used to share tapes and record from the radio.

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Re: Maybe Vista doesn't suck?
« Reply #83 on: December 02, 2007, 05:07:37 PM »
Right you are.  I looked it up:
http://en.wikipedia....assette_deck#History

Apparently I'm about 5 years off, in that "regular folk" could afford a hi-fi stereo cassette deck by the mid 1970's.  Audiophiles had them a few years earlier.

I remember having a Radio Shack "Archer" mono recorder the size of a suitcase in 1969, and I used it to record everything.  Had a speaker maybe 2" across.  But it wasn't what you'd call "high fidelity" and I doubt anyone was worried about using it for piracy.

By the late 70's near-audiophile quality cassette decks were available for a coupla hundred bucks, which to my mind was the point of panic for the recording industry.  When any schmuck with $300 can knock out studio-quality recordings... that had to ring alarm bells.

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Re: Maybe Vista doesn't suck?
« Reply #84 on: December 02, 2007, 05:13:46 PM »
Oh christ!  Are you using that fancy european metric time?
Always   :)

Maybe I'm adrift but I'm sure I recall fuss and commotion about recording to open-reel tape, and later cassette, well before 1980.  Apple was started in '67 and the mystical anti-recording signal stuff came almost at once, if I recall it right.

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Re: Maybe Vista doesn't suck?
« Reply #85 on: December 03, 2007, 06:55:15 AM »
Also, remember, those were the days before the internet, and one person could share a song with millions of people, not just a few friends with a cassette mix tape. I still use cassettes in my truck, and most of the music on them is from the 60s and 70s (Jimmy Page has white hair now, damn I feel old). So it's not so much the copying as the distribution of it that drives the execs — and many artists — nuts.

If you're a one-hit wonder, you want to be able to live off the fat of that one song for life. The Grateful Dead, on the other hand, had the opposite approach, with the more (listeners) the merrier.

Still, technology like DRM presumes you're a criminal, always were, and always will be. Just say hell no.

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Re: Maybe Vista doesn't suck?
« Reply #86 on: December 03, 2007, 09:01:17 AM »
Also, remember, those were the days before the internet, and one person could share a song with millions of people, not just a few friends with a cassette mix tape.

That is an excellent point, sir.  Perhaps it's the internet they fear most.

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Re: Maybe Vista doesn't suck?
« Reply #87 on: December 03, 2007, 09:11:01 AM »
Maybe I'm adrift but I'm sure I recall fuss and commotion about recording to open-reel tape, and later cassette, well before 1980.  Apple was started in '67 and the mystical anti-recording signal stuff came almost at once, if I recall it right.

I wonder if this was another one of Magic Alex' "brainwaves"?
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Re: Maybe Vista doesn't suck?
« Reply #88 on: December 03, 2007, 09:56:38 AM »
This sounds wacky, but imagine if the porn industry had taken the same tack as the music companies toward online file sharing, bittorrent, usenet, etc. The music industry's only idea is to sue, which doesn't stop copying, and costs you and your artists a fortune. (Ask Apple how much money there is to be made with cheap music — billions!) Instead, the porn industry has always been on the cutting edge of web tech, adopting and assimilating everything.

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Re: Maybe Vista doesn't suck?
« Reply #89 on: December 03, 2007, 10:11:21 AM »
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This sounds wacky

No pun intended?
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Re: Maybe Vista doesn't suck?
« Reply #90 on: December 03, 2007, 12:11:17 PM »
This sounds wacky, but imagine if the porn industry had taken the same tack as the music companies toward online file sharing, bittorrent, usenet, etc. The music industry's only idea is to sue, which doesn't stop copying, and costs you and your artists a fortune. (Ask Apple how much money there is to be made with cheap music — billions!) Instead, the porn industry has always been on the cutting edge of web tech, adopting and assimilating everything.

True.  But... I wonder if that comparison holds all the way down though. Ahem.

One would of course have to consider porn as a specific depicted content (a certain type of music/video, having a particular signified and referent),  rather than a specific medium-form-code (and the pornography categorization is of course conditioned by the socio-cultural context).  So a better comparison to start with would be : pornographic music industry (never heard a piece…) —>  children song music industry. Otherwise the logic would a bit… skewed.
In other words, to be fairer, you'd have to compare "pornographic videos" too some other kind of videos and ask at least two questions : why do “pornographic music" (or… sonic porn?) succeeds where other types of "musics" fail ? Or, more likely, why do " pornographic video " succeeds where other types of video content... fail ? Which marketing strategies are transferable to other types of music/videos,… Considering the specific psychophysical, psychosexual, socio-cultural, etc. arousing mechanisms inherent to the experience of pornography. (Sorry, this is bad English… am doing my best while I’m eating my sandwich  — hey, because of you Darwin, everything I say now sounds like crude puns)

Anyway, in yet other words, there are some lessons to be learned from the porn industry, maybe, but one also has to take into account the specific experience of interpreting pornographic content, which powerfully takes advantage of certain structures and tendencies of man's biology and psychology... to put it simplistically.

I have no idea if I was able to convey my “ideas” here… Don’t worry, I won’t quote Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn now. Back to my sandwich.

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Re: Maybe Vista doesn't suck?
« Reply #91 on: December 03, 2007, 12:20:24 PM »
Isn't the porn industry riddled with piracy?  All that stuff has to be coming from someplace, and I can't believe it's all public domain.

Yet it still appears to be a profitable industry, otherwise all the online porn shops would've gone out of business years ago.  So maybe the sheer volume of material allows a monumental amount of theft and still delivers profits?  Or are porn counter-piracy measures sufficient to keep things under control?

Didn't we have a user here who works in the adult industry?  Maybe we can ask him.

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Re: Maybe Vista doesn't suck?
« Reply #92 on: December 03, 2007, 12:37:41 PM »
Everyone can produce pr0n these days. IIRC the whole porn industry churns out far more movies every year than Hollywood and such together (although Bollywood produces movies by the bucketful)

Conclusion (after seeing the development of the thread): Vista doesn't suck because is a mean for getting more porn. And we know that with such ends, the means are more than justified ;D
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Re: Maybe Vista doesn't suck?
« Reply #93 on: December 03, 2007, 12:53:59 PM »
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Didn't we have a user here who works in the adult industry?  Maybe we can ask him.

Yeah... you're thinking of EmporerEJ, who runs the VirtualSexMachine.com website.
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Re: Maybe Vista doesn't suck?
« Reply #94 on: December 03, 2007, 01:22:19 PM »
Maybe I'm adrift but I'm sure I recall fuss and commotion about recording to open-reel tape, and later cassette, well before 1980.  Apple was started in '67 and the mystical anti-recording signal stuff came almost at once, if I recall it right.

I wonder if this was another one of Magic Alex' "brainwaves"?

Probably... from brain to drain with little strain.

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Re: Maybe Vista doesn't suck?
« Reply #95 on: December 07, 2007, 06:20:02 PM »
Microsoft needs to do what Apple did when they went from OS9 to OSX:
Ditch the albatross-around-the-neck compatibility and focus on a new platform, period.

It is the ONLY way forward, and Microsoft MUST do this or face EXTINCTION.

It will happen, whether you agree or not.

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Re: Maybe Vista doesn't suck?
« Reply #96 on: December 07, 2007, 08:44:21 PM »
Then... the spell starts to break!

But no, it will not happen. It sounds like they want to do it with Windows 7, which sounds pretty hopeful, but Vista sounded like they were going to do something pretty radical, but ended up "Meh. Bother. Whatever".
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Re: Maybe Vista doesn't suck?
« Reply #97 on: December 08, 2007, 08:55:54 AM »
Ironically, I can see that axfleming is right. But I am one of the XP camp howling in protest over all of the broken applications that won't run under Vista... :-[
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Re: Maybe Vista doesn't suck?
« Reply #98 on: December 08, 2007, 09:03:39 AM »
But maybe you were upset because they said everything would be compatible. Apple got it right when they moved to OSX they said older stuff won't run you'll need to use an OS9 compatible layer. There is no reason why MS can't do that with Windows 7 - all new native apps but with a Windows 2000/XP/Vista compatability layer.

Hang on isn't there a compatability layer in Windows now anyway - yes but it doesn't work well! (Right click on an EXE file and you can set it to run in Windows 98 mode if you want - but don't expect anything much to happen 'cos it never worked well).

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Re: Maybe Vista doesn't suck?
« Reply #99 on: December 08, 2007, 11:36:21 AM »
I think you're right, Carol.  What's hurt Vista the most is the pre-arrival hype.  They should have taken a page from the software gaming industry and downplayed things more... too many halfway decent games were destroyed by reviewers because all the pregame hype made it sound like Jesus was personally writing the thing.