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« on: October 27, 2007, 03:33:44 PM »

Just a quick note. The alpha series are over. Looking good! the scroll is supernice and M2 is much improved.
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« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2007, 04:58:16 PM »

great

I usually let updating go for a while cause it's not my main browser these days
& what with having to download each new version & install yourself
I always forget the advantages/disadvantages of classic & non-classic installers

As far as I remember I usually install for all users - I think thats the way stuff gets saved in the installation folder as opposed to user-data...

I guess it will pick up on current settings anyways which are customised.
(Can always make backup first in case smiley)

if anyone could give brief summary or a link it would be much appreciated!
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« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2007, 05:01:27 PM »

Using right now.Not bad.I didn't bother with the alphas.I've got a couple of glitches (don't know if their changes or bugs) i submitted them to Opera none the less.When deleting private data through the tools menu drop down,it reloads my speed dials,i don't like that,wasn't like that before.And when browsing through folders while inside the managing bookmark screen,folders seem a little "sticky" slow to draw.Just a few mild complaints.I've said it before,i never paid for this browser when it was pay,but now i would definately pay now that it's free. cheesy
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« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2007, 05:41:49 PM »

Oh got to check then thanks for that cheesy
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« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2007, 10:40:55 AM »

tomos:

Classic vs. non-classic (MSI): classic is much faster as it doesn't use Windows installer. But windows installer allows more flexibility r.e. large-scale deployment and better international support. I use the MSI installer.

All-users vs. per-user: Per-user is much more flexible. I use Opera profiles extensively, which basically works by changing the per-user base directory.

http://operawiki.info/OperaProfiles

But if you are just playing around, it won't make too much difference.

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I guess it will pick up on current settings anyways which are customised.

At least for per-user, if you use e.g. Opera Betaz for install, it will use Opera betaz for user settings which will *not* overwrite your older settings. It is better to start off clean for a beta, then import bits of your older settings in.

http://operawiki.info/MigratingSettings

If you've backed up your settings, you could always just trying doing an upgrade and ignoring the seperate install advice ;-)

Note, the big feature for the beta is the online Opera link, which allows transparent two-way sync between Opera Desktop <->Web<->Mobile phone

http://www.opera.com/products/desktop/next/
http://www.opera.com/products/link/

Changelog since alpha: http://snapshot.opera.com/windows/w950b1.html
Changelog since 9.2x: http://www.opera.com/docs...changelogs/windows/950b1/

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« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2007, 11:36:40 AM »

Ah its great!
Now you can search for multiple words in any website you've visited straight from the addressbar.

In the alphas when you searched for "word word" it would come up empty after the space, now it works like it should.
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« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2007, 11:56:14 AM »

thanks for all those details nontroppo   Thmbsup smiley


I used to have two different installs for me & the other "user" - we dont even have seperate user accounts
In fact I still do have 2 installs, no 3 - I have the "portable" version as well -
must read up your link about profiles  thumbs up

a nice thing about opera compared to FF is that you can have separate versions of it running at the same time no problem
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« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2007, 12:03:06 PM »

Still no roboform support, still no autocomplete support, still no way to edit stored passwords in the wand, I am still unable to make this MY BROWSER due to limitation by the developers and my inability to fully customize my browsing experience.
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« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2007, 03:12:09 PM »

justice: "word word" worked for me in the alpha, though they have reworked the search engine code so it is probably less buggy than before. What I do want is more advanced search option (NOT as well as AND, proximity search) and as a geek I'd love regex search from the address field  Kiss...

I have to say, history search is the most amazing feature to hit a browser this year for me. Interestingly, Omniweb for the Mac has had this for 3 years or so (though they don't use the address bar for search matching). And Safari 3 in Leopard is adding this feature too (indexing into spotlight, so you can search from any app, but still not using the address field). But so far Opera is the only Windows/Linux app to do this. Note URLs and history items are classified by their popularity, the more you visit, the higer it is in the list, kind of like the scoring heuristics in FARR...
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« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2007, 06:49:14 AM »

Josh, I think I can fix at least one of your complaints: autocomplete.
Just dl an userJS script (url in the description)

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// ==UserScript==
// @name OpS - Opera input suggestion
// @author Maxim Volkov
// @namespace http://userjs.org/
// @version 1.0
// @description  Provides autocomplete feature for text input fields,
//         to all web sites.
// @ujs:category browser: enhancements
// @ujs:published 2006-01-28 18:27
// @ujs:modified 2006-01-28 18:28
// @ujs:documentation http://userjs.org/scripts/browser/enhancements/ops
// @ujs:download http://userjs.org/scripts...owser/enhancements/ops.js
// @exclude http://mail.google.com/*
// @exclude http://*mail.yahoo.com/*
// ==/UserScript==

The band can be converted to readable text (it's a hack, and kind of defeats the purpose), so you could retrieve passwords if needed.

I agree that Opera developers have a strange way of doing things. One cannot say that Opera is not customizable -on the contrary-, it's just that it's customizable in particular ways... and some obvious ways are completely forgotten.
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« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2007, 06:50:22 AM »

BTW, trying to get M2 to import my mail form 9.24 format makes opera crash. Anyone with the same experience?
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« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2007, 08:58:35 AM »

BTW, trying to get M2 to import my mail form 9.24 format makes opera crash. Anyone with the same experience?

No, but it crashed a few times when I tried to download the headers on a newly added IMAP account. I don't really ever use email in the weekly/beta releases but I just thought I'd try it this time as there is a whole bunch of updates to M2 in 9.5. Unfortunately, it's nowhere near stable enough yet for daily use.
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« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2007, 10:14:57 AM »

I've never had it crashed once yet and using gmail with IMAP and the searching of 3 years worth of e-mail is instant. I really like it. Everytime firefox catches up with Opera they manage to bring out a new version with significant improvements.
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« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2007, 02:12:54 PM »

urlwolf: is the crash reproducible? If so, could you please report it:

http://www.opera.com/support/search/view/790/

Thanks!  Thmbsup

Dirhael: I assume you *don't* want to try to reproduce your crash ;-) Opera Mail is really solid here.

One log-awaited feature that sneaked it into the beta is remote deletion for POP servers - this is the best new mail feature for my needs (i.e. you can leave mail on server, but if you delete items it will also delete just those items on the server.

justice: did you switch to IMAP from POP for Google - how does it work?
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« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2007, 03:15:49 PM »

Well, very reproducible, but not very useful.
I just start 9.5, it asks me to import mail, then it shows a progress bar, and dies in a few miliseconds smiley
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« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2007, 04:07:20 PM »

Well, IIXII will be able to log an EIP pointer to the crash and I can forward it to the correct developer. Note there is another tool for the hardcore bug hunter:

http://people.opera.com/axel/memguara.exe - this is the kestrel version
http://people.opera.com/axel/memguard.htm

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MemGuard is a full replacement for Opera.exe plus extra memory guarding features to complement Inspector IIXII. It ensures that any kind of bad memory access, e.g. dangling pointers or buffer overruns, will cause an immediate crash, instead of causing random crashers and thus useless crash logs potentially minutes later. Furthermore, random or hard-to-reproduce crashers will become reproducible. Try to always use MemGuard when creating crash logs. MemGuard also detects memory leaks and provides a way to analyse runtime memory usage.

Axel has quite an interesting story. He was an Opera user and assembly programmer. When he didn't like a feature or want a new one he would dissasemble and reverse engineer Opera and patch it to do what he wanted. Opera realised his talents and offered to pay him to do the same thing ;-)
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« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2007, 04:37:45 AM »

Behold ... menguara.exe actually lasted about 2-3 seconds before crashing (23/23495 in the progress bar!).

Now I have a log. Where do I send it to?
If you know the correct developer, should I send it to you? Note: PMs do not allow attachemnts.

Thanks!
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« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2007, 04:50:29 AM »

Bug 294331, submitted.
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« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2007, 06:11:45 AM »

Wow that looks like a great tool. Does anyone else get crashes from Quicktime? Video's that crash look garbled (in purple) just before opera crashes due to quicktime. I've seen it happen on another machine with Internet explorer so it's not Opera but it's relaly annoying.
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« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2007, 11:30:27 AM »

urlwolf: great, I suspect it will be fixed in the next build ;-)

justice: memguard won't pick up crashes with plugins, only with Opera itself (and plugins can make it look if the brower crashes as they run inside its process -- they can also make a browser appear to use lots of memory when it isn't). Note, Kestrel is building in some kind of enhanced plugin crash protection to stop them pulling the browser down with them...
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« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2007, 09:03:05 AM »

opera has become the buggiest software in these daily betas etc
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« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2007, 12:36:06 PM »

it was actually fixed smiley thanks nontroppo.
@Kalos:
I'm using the latest beta (6024) for day-to-day browsing, no problems here...
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« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2007, 01:07:06 PM »

Exactly the same here (the latest build is 9624, though). Stable, fast, just with minor inconsistencies--but it's a beta, isn't it? After many years finally a great leap to higher compatibility.
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« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2007, 12:51:16 AM »

they admit it even themselves:
http://my.opera.com/deskt...2007/11/02/beta-plus-plus
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« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2007, 04:31:23 PM »

urlwolf: whaddya tell ya!  cheesy  Thmbsup

kalos: that warning was added because a number of users have thrown hissy fits like petulant teenagers when they found a bug. For a great number of beta testers though, Kestrel is pretty rock solid (as it is for me, I use it full time). And as urlwolf will attest, a well placed bug report will do more to improve the software than moaning that alpha/beta software is buggy.
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