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SQLNotes...what is it exactly?
Paul Keith:
I think this is more filtering but I'm just more comfortable being able to create a column of sorts of this in the chance that I mess up my column orders and just want my default order back.
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I dont follow the last sentence there ?
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Oh, it's just that I'm under the impression that columns are usually for sorting alphabetically, by date and all other static stuff and I usually am not organized. I just randomly order things and hope that when I need to re-organize something, I can hopefully just drag and drop it which makes me fear the column.
by grid "submenu" - I guess you mean the list of grids shown as tabs on the side ..
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Oh no, I meant this...
See? There's a grid option and then there's a grids menu.
I've followed Armando's example and created a button which shows a drop down list of your grids in alphabetical order - now have this placed on top. I find it less confusing then the tabs on the left - my main problem with them is they dont show all grids & it can get very confusing
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Thanks. I really wasn't looking for this but on hindsight, I much prefer it this way too.
tomos:
Menu: View > Grids = is a fairly akward way of accessing grids = what you see on the left (tabbed grid list)
Menu: Grids = settings for your grids
Personally, I think a big icon (maybe with grids written on it!) that would show a dropdown alphabetical list would suffice - or maybe a list on the left that autohides like the other panels can?
Re sorting - I believe there is a way of saving a manually organised order (or maybe it's just been requested)
I find on restarting programme or refresh it defaults to sorting by the number column on the very left (I dont like that myself - it means sorting by the order that items were added to the grid)
I would have thought "save item state" in the Grid submenu should save your ordering but it doesnt. Maybe Pierre will comment here ? It will save the state of the grid if you refresh in the sense if you have expanded some items and others not (refresh is still necessary if you make certain changes)
Paul Keith:
Thanks. I'm glad to hear there's something like this for this kind of program. Maybe it could be even expanded to a restore session feature for the really paranoid among us.
superboyac:
This has been discussed before. I don't know if anyone has made a formal request for it on Mantis, but we probably should. In my view, there is more than one thing to consider here:
--The grids can be organized, resorted, filtered in a variety of ways, so it would be nice to be able to save certain grid "states". Furthermore, if you have saved several grid states for a grid, it would be nice to have some kind of "states manager" so we can quickly choose one of the states.
--On a similar level, the layout of IQ can be configured several ways...toolbars, html pane location, autohide on/off, properties pane, etc. So it would be good to have a "layout manager" very similar to the states manager I mentioned above.
I've seen similar things on other programs I use that have very flexible layouts and a variety of settings to choose from. Autocad comes to mind (workspace settings, saved layouts, saved views, saved coordinates) and so does Directory Opus (save layouts).
Armando:
I think Ctrl-Q is the live search.-superboyac (October 20, 2008, 11:30 AM)
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Yours may be CTRL-Q, but the default for search (i.e. live-search) is CTRL-F, either way, you'll find it in Edit>Find
-PPLandry (October 20, 2008, 11:42 AM)
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I have mine set to ctrl+shift+f so that it doesn't interfere with the html pane search own search mini-window.
Menu: View > Grids = is a fairly akward way of accessing grids = what you see on the left (tabbed grid list) [...] Personally, I think a big icon (maybe with grids written on it!) that would show a dropdown alphabetical list would suffice - or maybe a list on the left that autohides like the other panels can?-tomos (October 21, 2008, 08:28 AM)
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I don't remember, really -- because most of my toolbars are modified (everything is customizable) , but I believe the original toolbar configuration sets the grid "submenu" as an icon on the "Grid Context" toolbar...??
I personally use that icon all the time -- can trigger it using ctrl-shift-o and start typing to get to your grids quickly and press enter. Simple -- not exactly find & run robot -- but good enough, and the most convenient way to quickly open grids... if you have more than 30!
We've discussed grid hierarchies in the past too, and this is something Pierre might include.
Re sorting - I believe there is a way of saving a manually organised order (or maybe it's just been requested)
I find on restarting programme or refresh it defaults to sorting by the number column on the very left (I dont like that myself - it means sorting by the order that items were added to the grid)
I would have thought "save item state" in the Grid submenu should save your ordering but it doesnt. Maybe Pierre will comment here ? It will save the state of the grid if you refresh in the sense if you have expanded some items and others not (refresh is still necessary if you make certain changes)
-tomos (October 21, 2008, 08:28 AM)
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If you don't put anything in the "sort" filter text box, or if you don't use the "sort criterias applies to subitems" option, all subitems of any item will keep its arbitrary order (ie : if you move an item to the top, it will stay there.) This doesn't work with top level items though. If you don't put anything in the "sort" filter text box, I believe that items appear in the order they were created, or something like that. I know that Pierre has some ideas for different types of "arbitrary" or "chosen" orderings (like : paragraphs in text, chapters in a novel...). We've discussed that in the past, but it seems that the level of need for that feature has been superseded by other needs.
Save item state is just for the way hierarchies are displayed (expanded or not, etc.). It's not about saving sorting.... well I if does save sorting... I never noticed!
The grids can be organized, resorted, filtered in a variety of ways, so it would be nice to be able to save certain grid "states". Furthermore, if you have saved several grid states for a grid, it would be nice to have some kind of "states manager" so we can quickly choose one of the states.
-superboyac (October 21, 2008, 11:22 AM)
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Grid states... yes. "Save item state" works pretty well though as it keeps everything as it was when one last closed the grids. (well... it should)
As for saving grid states, when the "named filters" (ie : menus with a bunch of created filters, with human names, which you can associate with operators, etc.) will arrive, it should help quite a bit
Of course, that doesn't replace completely what would/could be different grid organizations (a bit like Outlook views). But... I usually create new grids when I really need a different layout. If grids could be organized hierarchically, this would help classification of different "views", of course.
On a similar level, the layout of IQ can be configured several ways...toolbars, html pane location, autohide on/off, properties pane, etc. So it would be good to have a "layout manager" very similar to the states manager I mentioned above.
I've seen similar things on other programs I use that have very flexible layouts and a variety of settings to choose from. Autocad comes to mind (workspace settings, saved layouts, saved views, saved coordinates) and so does Directory Opus (save layouts).
-superboyac (October 21, 2008, 11:22 AM)
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Actually Pierre talked about having a grid interdependent "layout memory". Eg : One grid would have the html pane at the bottom, the other one wouldn't have one, the other one would have it on the right, etc. The layout will also become even more flexible with what Pierre calls Ecco-like combo views, etc. I don't know when that will be available though.
Some (or even most) of these suggestions are already in mantis. I'll check this out next week (Pierre's priority is the calendar, recurring tasks, etc. though.)
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