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51  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: General brainstorming for Note-taking software on: December 09, 2012, 07:10:47 PM
This is where we differ, as I'm primarily concerned with keeping Web clips, plus my own text notes, in one convenient program with good searching.  I've never tried a modern Windows PIM/outliner for content creation
As I said originally, I use TreeDBNotes primarily for writing and don't clip anything into it; I rarely attach files either. I like the freedom to organise and reorganise (outlining is really good for this) and having a lot of the things I write in one easy to access place. And I find it much more intuitive with access to commands than the alternatives (remembering that I hate using hotkeys). I can see that you have to like hotkeys if you are used to WordStar and derivatives. I couldn't wait to get away from them (& the mainframe equivalents) - I loved the whole GUI phenomenon from the moment I saw Lisa (and stayed away from IBM & MS machines as much as I could until Win 95 appeared).

I've also been tempted back into using Ultra Recall more since trying Rightnote, and it does do a lot of things pretty well; quite a number of similarities with Rightnote, all in Ultra Recall's favour with exception of the Opera clipping. But Rightnote still seems to be progressing while UR seems not to be.
I've seen the comment that UR's interface is confusing, but suspect that familiarity plays a big part.  I have to say I haven't used click.to myself, but, could you get UR to clip from Opera by using click.to as a helper app?  The author of All My Notes Organizer has used this approach instead of adding web clip hotkeys or actions in his own program.  Details here: Integrate AllMyNotes to work with click.to [web-clipping].  Maybe something similar might work for UR.
I quite like UR's interface, complex as it is; it's the tie in with MS programs that puts me off the most. And I love the multi panes. Both it and RightNote work fine to store files & webpages, and I'm happy enough storing info in a different prog from the one I am writing in - it is as easy to switch between programs as it is to switch focus within a program and with sufficient monitor(s) space everything is visible all the time, so that is OK. And I use EverNote  for an increasing host of other stuff.

I hadn't heard of click.to but had a look when I saw this. I wasn't clear about exactly what it does & didn't see references to clipping full web pages, let alone how to send them to new notes in something like UR - I uninstalled it pretty quickly - and it is interesting how much extra rubbish had to be cleared up once it had been uninstalled. In practice, I remain happy with ClipMate for ordinary clipping (despite development stopping) and SnagIt for regions and windows.
52  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: General brainstorming for Note-taking software on: December 07, 2012, 06:40:36 PM
Have you checked the Free version lately?  Their TreeDBNotes FREE vs PRO - Feature CompareTreeDBNotes FREE vs PRO - Feature Compare chart left me slightly puzzled.  The headings are Free, Free registered, and Pro.  It lists far more features for Free registered than vanilla Free.  I thought, oh, they're offering a free registration to unlock extra features and get you on their mailing list, an uncommon ploy but not unknown.  But if you look at their Buy Now page and scroll down to TreeDBNotes (Free), it gives different purchase prices for personal and business use.  I don't have any problem with a single .EXE being a basic Free version on its own and more advanced Standard version on being unlocked, but I don't think they should still advertise the Standard version as Free when it's payware.  Maybe they just forgot to change the name?

I'd agree about the confusion between Free Registered (that they charge for) and Free and it would be better if the Registered version was just called Standard. But, in terms of features, nearly all the features that the registered version has that the free version hasn't are not to do with the actual text editing functions. When I used the free version, I never felt the slightest need to upgrade, and only upgraded to the Pro version on a BdJ offer because I felt it would be good to pay something for a program that I used regularly. And that would still be true now.

I don't much care for the e-book Help file, either, especially as the Ctrl+G global search doesn't work, and it seems a bit thin on real information.  I couldn't see anything about Web clipping in the sense that EverNote, RightNote, UR etc. do.
I don't used keyboard shortcuts, so I hadn't noticed that - I also tend not to use Help files. What it does have is a lot of options on the menus (top & right click), so I have always found it very easy to explore the possibilities of the program. Depends how you do things, which is one of the reasons I think these programs are very subject to personal preference.

Yes, I don't think it does web clipping in the way those other programs do. The clipping it does do, is just the usual sort of screen shots, images, text etc but it does work and is integrated in the program. Web clipping is more of an archive/PIM thing - and as I said, it claims to be a PIM, but I've never seen it as one, and feel it is just a (very good) text editor.

I've used Rightnote a bit more now, and am struggling to find anything I can use it for apart from the clipping from Opera; tiny spreadsheet tables seems to be the only other thing and I don't know how much I would want to use that. Just seems less good generally, and less suiting my way of working, than the other programs I have. I've also been tempted back into using Ultra Recall more since trying Rightnote, and it does do a lot of things pretty well; quite a number of similarities with Rightnote, all in Ultra Recall's favour with exception of the Opera clipping. But Rightnote still seems to be progressing while UR seems not to be.
53  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: General brainstorming for Note-taking software on: December 03, 2012, 01:47:07 AM
I use Evernote and Simplenote/Resophnote/everything that syncs with simplenote.  I guess it really is a matter of what you need and your priorities, and since Syncing across platforms is my number one priority, those are the ones that I continue to go back to.
I agree with that; it is very much about individual need and preference.
I was intrigued by your using Simplenote. Why do you use that as well as Evernote?
54  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: General brainstorming for Note-taking software on: December 02, 2012, 06:06:10 PM
@Dormouse
Windows word processors seem to lean too much towards desktop publishing rather than efficient text creation and editing. 

Agree completely.

I too use several programs, never finding one I was happy to commit to exclusively.  My usage is mostly data storage, especially of web clips, for which EverNote 2.2 is very good, especially when you need graphics and live hyperlinks.

Yes, Evernote 2.2 remains a good program.
And when you wish it weren't orphaned, it is quite conspicuous how few of the programs in this sector are being actively developed - a minority of those I use.


I was interested in your use of TreeDBNotes for writing, and wondered if you'd ideally have preferred a single-pane outliner like Noteliner?  Which seems a more natural way to operate than two-pane?

Thanks, I hadn't come across it. I've had a quick look and don't think it's for me. I'm usually working on many things at once, and I do need to bring in external documents as well. And I like a very rich environment in terms of buttons, because I'm far happier using the mouse than the keyboard - which I only need for typing; and I don't even need it much for that if I'm dictating direct. And TreeDBNotes gives me a large single pane for when I do purely want to concentrate on one thing.

I actually like lots of panes generally. When I use Ultra Recall, I have all the panes open nearly all the time and I like Shellless Explorer and Q-Dir because they have more panes than Dopus or XY, even though they have less power.
55  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Pirate Software Dilemma on: December 02, 2012, 03:43:09 AM
Now let's take Evernote.  Once had a snappy, portable version and everything.  Not anymore.  Think that pleased the hardcore users?  However, it sure benefits them to move to the cloud.  Not that the product is bad or anything, but the history of events made me lose my trust a little with them.  They also made it harder to get the data out of evernote and into other things.  So would I pay for it again?  probably not, unless my back was up against the wall.  And they should pay that price.  But they won't because I'm in the severe minority.
OTT, but I think this is somewhat unfair on Evernote.
The company was taken over and the new owners explicitly rebuilt the software so it could work in the cloud. Looks like a good call, given the the increase in their userbase and the effective demise of many of their previous competitors who stayed as they were. And, unlike the previous owners who sold out, they aren't asking you to pay - they offer it entirely free unless you do want to use the cloud sync for more than 60MB a month.
And, if you want it entirely portable, you can go HERE. btw, Evernote don't recommend working it off a flash drive because of the risk of database corruption.
56  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: General brainstorming for Note-taking software on: December 01, 2012, 02:51:06 PM
From a thread on a RightNote discount:
Bought it yesterday, and very pleased to find that it clips from Opera; also like the Evernote linking. Haven't properly explored it yet, but think I will probably use it extensively. Doesn't replace TreeDBNotes, which I prefer for writing, or Ultra Recall, better for email etc, or Evernote, better for stuff that doesn't need to be organised & web availability, but it looks as if it might be my be my main app for info heavy uses.
@Dormouse:
I'd be interested to hear more detailed comments on why you prefer your different apps for different things, perhaps in the General brainstorming for Note-taking software thread?

So, I'll emphasise that I won't be trying to review the good and bad points about each program, simply why I use each one as I do rather than one of the others.

TreeDBNotes
I use this for writing anything from small notes up to something the length of a chapter, and generally have it open all the time. I also use it for things that I will be adding to over time. I don't use it to collect information from elsewhere, although it says it is an information manager. I use other programs for longer and more complex writing - where generally I will just be working on one project at a time. I don't like using word processors for the creative part of writing; it has always felt that the program is getting in the way, good for final editing into the printable state and for reviewing and making notes but not the original writing.

The reason I use TreeDBNotes for writing, is simply that it suits the way I work and is very mouse friendly (  Grin ). The toolbars contain all the buttons I use most often, and there is an extensive right-click menu. If I want a simpler screen, I can maximise the current note in an external window. Organisation of what I do is with the tabs across the top and hierarchical trees on the left. External files can be linked or attached. There is a scratch pad and alarms/reminders. Easy to set up and use templates. Can be portable and you can choose which folders/trees you want encrypted. Good import and export. Can set the colour schemes to suit yourself (though you can't set individual tab colours).The clipping is quite good, but I don't see it as a web clipper at all. There are keyboard shortcuts, but I don't use them. Virtually all these features are there in the free version of the program.

Development has been proceeding much more slowly recently, really irritating those who want to see the PIM functionality extended, but not really bothering me.

Ultra Recall
I use this mostly for gathering information, in the way of files, emails etc. It is a good webclipper, especially if you use Internet Explorer or Firefox, or you can use its integrated browser, but I found I didn't use this because I prefer to use Opera. I like it's flexibility of use and the ability to chose how many panels are visible, and its searching is good across everything that has been brought in to the program. More integrated with Microsoft programs than I like, but that can be useful too.

Was temporarily discontinued a while ago and development appears now to be very limited, although new versions still emerge.
I don't use it as much as I did, but that might always change because it remains very functional for what it does.

Evernote
I originally had this in v2 form; IIRC, what attracted me originally was the OCR, search speed, timeline and ability to organise what was in it.
Like most users then I was rather disconcerted when v3 came out with fewer features and an emphasis on the cloud. But I never stopped using it as it always clipped from Opera.
Over time my usage has steadily increased in frequency, though I haven't yet put a lot of information in it. I am likely to do so in the near future mostly because the cloudiness that many dislike has become a major attraction in itself. Being able to make or read notes on my phone has proved really useful. I can chose which notebooks I sync over the net, so I don't really worry about privacy. It still has OCR and will now convert speech into text, which saves me a lot of time. Organisation is quite flexible; there are no folders, but there are notebooks and hierarchical tags which have the same overall functionality that I remember from before.

I'm not sure how interested I would be if I didn't use a smartphone, but with one it is a pretty compelling package. Free too, up to a 60MB a month upload (unlimited data limit means you can buy a premium service for a month or two and revert to free once you have uploaded all the data you want); quite a nifty pricing scheme, it seems to me.

Development and marketing and general buzz seem very positive. There's a clear vision for the product, and everything seems to be going in the direction they anticipated when they switched to the new focus for the product. More than can be said for nearly all of its competitors in the notes or clipping arena.

OneNote
I always liked this more than the other MS Office programs, but it always felt rather heavy and without the flexibility of use that would have made me use it more. Seems rather unloved by MS and irritations (such as the number of levels in the hierarchy) have never been tackled, though others have produced workarounds/scripts. I alwasy thought I'd use it if I had a really big project, but I have never needed too.
Too integrated with the other MS programs for me to really like it and with MS moving towards a walled garden, I have no intention of putting info into it.

RightNote
I've only just started using it. It is good that it works with Opera, but I can't say I love its UI. Doesn't seem to be as configurable as I would like (or expected) and have come across a few irritations; maybe I willbe able to find ways around them, I don't know. The lack of a forum makes communication about issues rather limited and probably does not help the developer know which way his user base would like him to go.

Surfulater
I've looked at this a few times, and am always slightly tempted when there is a BdJ offer - but the fact that it doesn't have good clipping from Opera has always stopped me testing it out in detail or making a purchase.

GemX/Harmony PIM
Given that development appeared well stalled when I got it (and has hardly gone forward much since), I still use this surprisingly often. It's the one program I use that does a lot of different things (and is probably best at none of them - in fact, I have better programs for everything it does, I think) and so I use it. There is usually a reason for me to open it, and then I can use it to do stuff that comes up when I don't fancy deciding what program to use. Of course, it is not really a Notes program, although it contains one. And I still really like being able to have a very extended calendar view.

InfoQube
I download and look at this semi-regularly. I am always very impressed with the idea of the things it can do, but put off by the fact that I can't easily see how to do almost any of them myself. And never feel an urgent need to have to do so, as I feel I have adequate programs I already use. Maybe in the future.

Others
Like, it seems, virtually everyone here, I have tried huge numbers of these programs, but don't really remember the details of why I don't use the others.
57  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: UiO linguist makes sensational claim - English is a Scandinavian language on: November 29, 2012, 04:16:48 PM
The whole concept seems pretty daft to me.

Quote
"...Modern English is a direct descendant of the language of Scandinavians who settled in the British Isles in the course of many centuries, before the French-speaking Normans conquered the country in 1066," says Faarlund.  "...The Danelaw was under the control of Scandinavian chiefs for half a century."

The Normans were Scandinavians who conquered Normandy and then spoke French. They ruled England for centuries, always speaking French (and brought a lot of French speaking settlers with them).

English was formed out of many languages including the North German (Scandinavian), West German (Anglo-Saxon) and French. There are many ways of constructing sentences in English, and this is one of the main differences with other languages such as German where the rules tend to be more rigid. All the quoted examples could be phrased differently, and the typical German word order would be understood, even if might not be the most common construction in English. Even now, dialects in different parts of England will use different ways of saying the same thing.
58  Other Software / Found Deals and Discounts / Re: DFX for $24.99 on: November 29, 2012, 03:23:14 PM
DFX Regular Price: $39.99
Holiday Sale Price: $24.99 instead of $39.99 (Sale ends in 11 days)
I hadn't really come across it before. On assumption you use it, what do you think that is particularly good in it?

I downloaded to try and was very disappointed to hear the increase in volume. All the research shows that people think that tracks are better if they are louder, but that can be achieved without spending even $24.99  cheesy. I also noticed a warmer tone, but equally that is usually just about boosting certain frequencies. Since the trial only gives you a few minutes to listen without stopping and nagging, I don't really want to spend more time trying to hear what other differences there might be myself.
59  Other Software / Found Deals and Discounts / Re: Rightnote discount sale 50% off @ BitsDuJour 26-27 November on: November 29, 2012, 03:15:04 PM
@Dormouse:
I'd be interested to hear more detailed comments on why you prefer your different apps for different things, perhaps in the General brainstorming for Note-taking software thread?
OK. Will do. How could I possibly withstand a direct invitation to contribute to the Opus?
60  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: web clipping on: November 29, 2012, 03:11:09 PM
I probably should have tried Surfulater, especially as the author has been active on DC.  But, it's quite expensive, even with a discount, and I can still use EverNote 2.2, the last desktop edition, which I paid for.  It works well but isn't developed or available since they went cloud.  I'm keeping an eye open for still-developed programs that work as conveniently.  I suppose I should try UltraRecall again, too.

[Edit at UK time 2012-11-29, 20:52:-]
Humph.  Just checked the UltraRecall Web site.  There's been a major-version upgrade, which would be $50, but few users are biting, saying there are too few new features to justify the cost.  Most still think it's a good program as-is, though.
[/Edit]
I always thought of Surfulater as quite expensive and not doing anything but clipping - and then not working with Opera. So I never even got around to trying it. Seems to be a good web clipper though.

With Evernote, remember that you can use the current version without going anywhere near the cloud. It's not the same as 2.2, but for me the advantages now make it more useful than 2.2 ever was.

I'd go along with the comments on Ultra Recall. The old & current versions work perfectly well but development and support is not the same as it used to be. (And it doesn't work with Opera  Sad ) Might be worth trying if a really large discount comes up on BdJ, but probably not if you only want a web clipper (it does do a lot of other things).


I've found myself slightly uncomfortable with RightNote's Web clipping.  You can make a new clip with a RightNote hotkey, and add to the current clip with another, but the tree pane doesn't scroll to keep the current item in view.  That means you can't see whether everything is OK without constantly scrolling the tree. 

I don't really want to move away from the browser when I clip, so that is fine by me - and anyway the mere fact that it works with Opera will make up for any number of other deficiencies. Even having to use the keyboard.
61  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Alternative to Linkman on: November 29, 2012, 02:50:55 PM
I doubt that this will help, but I just want to mention that I also have Opera 12.11, and I've had no problem getting the Linkman icon to work.  However, my system is Win 7 Professional 64-bit.  I've also got MBAM Pro, but with protection enabled.  (I can't comment on IE9, since I have it on my computer but almost never use it.  It looks as if I didn't even bother installing Linkman on it.)
All the same for me.
62  Other Software / Found Deals and Discounts / Re: Rightnote discount sale 50% off @ BitsDuJour 26-27 November on: November 27, 2012, 04:08:01 PM
I see you've got three others.  Wink
Three others I mentioned  Grin
63  Other Software / Found Deals and Discounts / Re: Rightnote discount sale 50% off @ BitsDuJour 26-27 November on: November 27, 2012, 03:47:49 PM
Bought it yesterday, and very pleased to find that it clips from Opera; also like the Evernote linking. Haven't properly explored it yet, but think I will probably use it extensively. Doesn't replace TreeDBNotes, which I prefer for writing, or Ultra Recall, better for email etc, or Evernote, better for stuff that doesn't need to be organised & web availability, but it looks as if it might be my be my main app for info heavy uses.

Interesting that I trialled it quite a while ago without finding a compelling reason to continue using it.
64  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: web clipping on: November 27, 2012, 03:38:14 PM
I bought RightNote in the recent/current BdJ sale. As I was using it I was wondering whether it had any edge at all over Ultra Recall, apart from more active development and a more positive vibe amongst users, and then I found that it clipped perfectly well from Opera (even if I did have to use a clipboard shortcut to do it). So, for the moment, I'm hopeful that I will be able to use it, together with Evernote, as my main clipper.  Cool
65  Other Software / Found Deals and Discounts / Re: Postbox 3 - $9.95 on: November 25, 2012, 01:59:44 PM
Darn, I paid $35 for Postbox. Now they are practicall giving it away.

Indeed. Now $6.95.
66  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Are you going to wait for Windows 9? on: November 23, 2012, 01:03:56 PM
We certainly won't be buying W8.

When W7 came out, I bought a full set of retail version for us all and that should be enough for a long time. When W9 comes out, I'll think about whatever is on offer, but I'm certainly not waiting for it. I'm quite happy with Linux as an alternative. I've no interest in a tablet OS unless I'm using a tablet, and MS would have to do far better than I expect to be able to persuade me to go in their direction for a tablet.

(We never bought ME either and only got stuck with one copy of Vista when we had to get a new laptop; over the last five years I've made sure that we are all quite comfortable with using Linux and we've all now had periods when we have been Linux only.)
67  Other Software / Found Deals and Discounts / Re: CyberMonday Deal : 40% off for Aml Pages and Aml Maple (until 21 Nov.) on: November 18, 2012, 04:01:39 PM
How do you find it in use? Have you used it for long?
I notice that it was on giveawayoftheday in June.
68  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: recommend audio editor to cut out middle part and still keep pitch on: July 07, 2012, 12:28:28 PM
my ears are telling me that the song is too long - it must be shortened!
...So far it has been impossible for me to get it perfect; the cut is never right on pitch.[/i]
Most audio editors will do it - but to do it perfectly your ears must recognise the precise start and end points of the section you want to remove.
And you need enough zoom control to be able to see those moments on the screen.
Will also only work if those perfect moments exist; this frequently is not the case when there are a number of instruments & voices going as all of them are unlikely to flow on without apparent interruption at any snipping point.
PS Wave MP3 Editor should certainly be able to do it, if it can be done to your liking at all.
69  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Simple means of joining images? on: May 06, 2012, 02:47:44 PM
Snagit will do this easily.

Not sure you would really want to add another screen capture tool to your collection though.
70  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Microsoft takes on Dropbox with major SkyDrive update on: April 24, 2012, 10:05:48 AM
Interesting bit on upgrading storage... I had a few live ids hooked to my same account.  I switched over to each, and each has a separate storage allottment.  Now I have 25GB on each...!

I had 2 IDs, and now MS recognises neither of them  undecided
I didn't use them, so no loss really, and not tempted to sign up with MSN/hotmail now.
71  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Team Time management/recording software on: April 20, 2012, 01:03:13 PM
I think the AbstractSpoon ToDoList would be able to do this. You might want to limit how much was visible if you want it to look simple, and you might have to tweak a report, but can do what you describe. The only issue might be everyone working at once using the same database over the network; I don't know if that can be done, and I'm not in a position to test it atm - would not be difficult to add them altogether at the end of a month, though, if everyone just used their own database. And, of course, it is free - though donations are accepted.
72  DonationCoder.com Software / Post New Requests Here / Re: Flexible Fictional Timeline organisation tool on: April 19, 2012, 04:32:02 PM
Just noticed that Liquid Story Binder is on BdJ again today at 70% off.
73  DonationCoder.com Software / Post New Requests Here / Re: Flexible Fictional Timeline organisation tool on: April 17, 2012, 11:44:59 AM

Yeah... but when you're adding days/months/years to events to get other days in the calendaring system, it can get pretty hairy doing that type of manipulation.

Yeah, that's why I'd set this up on a spreadshhet or matrix system, just to keep track of the calendar.
ie the spreadsheet/matrix/table would give the calendar and I could just put the appropriate "date" from that into the timeline. I'd also add a colour to each cell in which something happens to give me a visual.
74  DonationCoder.com Software / Post New Requests Here / Re: Flexible Fictional Timeline organisation tool on: April 17, 2012, 11:36:51 AM
but I think the part that is hard (and that none I've seen really solve) is fictional date periods, i.e. a month is 25 days and there are 10 months in a year named whatever.  Is that the problem that we're trying to solve here?

I'm not sure about Writer's Cafe, but LSB just works on putting in column headers, so you cn have any system you want. You can also set it up for characters or "link" it with one of the other modules such as a builder or storyboard, depending on what you are trying to use it for. Personally, if I was trying to set up something with a very alternative calendar, I'd probably use a table or spreadsheet. So much depends on what you are trying to do and what sort of tools and views work best for you.
75  DonationCoder.com Software / Post New Requests Here / Re: Flexible Fictional Timeline organisation tool on: April 17, 2012, 10:01:34 AM
Writer's Cafe and Liquid Story Binder both have a timeline component, amongst many features.
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