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126  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / What are the consequences of an FCC Internet "utility"? on: February 05, 2015, 05:16:32 PM

The big news today is the move to regulate the internet as a utility.  I know we have other threads for this, but my main question is what are the consequences to this?  It's hard for me to tell with all the weird political doublespeak and general news narratives.

Some of my basic questions:
Is the internet really a "natural monopoly"? (like gas, me, it doesn't appear to be)
For the normal residential connection...does regulation mean faster or slower speeds per buck spent?
For the normal residential connection...does regulation mean the internet is wide open as it is today? (I don't get this one at all)
Wouldn't any kind of "change" for the internet by default indicate MORE restrictions on content?  To me, it seems logical that this is true because the internet currently is completely "liberated"'s already 100% free, any change would have to be less free, no?
127  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Recommend some music videos to me! on: February 04, 2015, 11:30:11 PM
@SB - I'm not quite as over the top about it as Stephen Fry is, although I suspect his tongue is very firmly planted it his cheek for most of it.

But I do not like to dance even though it runs in the family on both sides. My dad was an excellent dancer as was my mother. My two sisters are phenomenal dancers. I have a cousin who danced ballet professionally with the Joffrey and the ABT ballet companies among others. She and her husband (also a dancer) taught ballet out of her own private school for several years after she retired from performing. And my youngest niece is enrolled in a very serious dance program at the ripe old age of six. She just did her first Nutcracker performance (taking on two minor roles) last holiday season. And she wants to do it professionally as well. If so, she's definitely born into the right family. She'll get all the support and encouragement she needs if she pursues it.

Oh...and my GF absolutely loves to dance. Something she does extremely well too. That fact that I do what little dancing I do (mostly slow waltzes) is purely to please her. Fortunately there are always enough guys who do want to dance with her that I can usually sit back a weddings or other occasions and seem quite generous whenever someone asks "Do you mind?" ... to which I always reply: "Why not ask her if it's ok with her rather than me?"

Also, unlike Mr. Frye, I do like watching good dance performance: Ballet, modern, Broadway-type musical dance numbers, Balinese temple dance, hula, some avant-garde and/or experimental (such as MOMIX or Pilobolus), Irish and contemporary Acadian step-dancing (similar in many ways to the better known Irish variety but looser, sexier and not as stiff - see some glimpses of it here - watch the beginning and then fast-forward to about the 5:40 mark), and pretty much anything else that shows talent and looks good.

It's been said you can't be a great spiritual leader if you don't dance...

I guess I'm not a great spiritual leader. But I'm good with that. Thmbsup Grin
For someone who doesn't dance, you sure are surrounded by it! 
I personally like dancing, I just suck.  I used to be quite good at it, even traditional type stuff...but I had a late, extreme growth spurt, and the lankiness was difficult to deal with.  I'm athletic and coordinate, I just didn't care after that.  One day, i might get back into.  Can't be good at everything!!  Wait...i totally forgot...I did do about a year of ballet 2 years ago!  It was fun and actually very freaking hard...I think all the girls in there were stronger than me.  But the few times I got in the groove a bit, it felt like dribbling/footwork of basketball. I have to look up like 7 things from your post.  Coffee is brewing...
128  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Recommend some music videos to me! on: February 04, 2015, 03:27:52 PM
Apparently, opinions vary looking at their history...

From that, it looks like they're more a follow-the-market-trends-and-go-for-the-money sort of operation.

More power to them if so. That perhaps made them a successful stage act. But that doesn't make them what I'd consider to be a genuine band. undecided tongue

Isn't that what most dance music groups are, though?  Grin tongue

Don't know. Whenever I try to listen to one, it all goes in one ear and straight out the other, leaving me hungry for some music to listen to. tongue

Besides, people who play 'dance music' aren't doing it to actually listen to a band. They're doing it to dance. Either on the club's dance floor - or in their heads. Dance music and club mixes are primarily kinaesthetic rather than auditory sensory experiences. That's why they blast it they way they do. Like the lyric (singular) says: "<Boom-BOOM!> FEEL THE BEAT!." It's "all about that bass, 'bout that bass - no treble." Wink

But I don't dance much - or willingly. So I guess it's yet another one of those "different strokes for different folks" things. Grin
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129  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Recommend some music videos to me! on: February 04, 2015, 01:22:06 PM
Apparently, opinions vary looking at their history...

From that, it looks like they're more a follow-the-market-trends-and-go-for-the-money sort of operation.

More power to them if so. That perhaps made them a successful stage act. But that doesn't make them what I'd consider to be a genuine band. undecided tongue
Weren't they on one of Gervais' shows recently?  lol.  ridiculous.
130  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Recommend some music videos to me! on: February 04, 2015, 01:21:06 PM
And whoever the tamborine guy is, he is making every second of that count (i would, too!)

Pretty sure that's Ray Cooper, and he's quite a bit more than a tambourine man Thmbsup
It is Ray Cooper!!  lol.  I love Rainbow Rock; I think that's the album that really introduced me to Elton John.
131  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: I've not been happy with Macrium Reflect Free, and perhaps their paid versions.. on: February 04, 2015, 10:52:19 AM
I suggest always backing up two images from two different programs.  Also maybe using two different externals. If it is mission-critical, something off-site. And I only do images occasionally, once I have some from an early fairly clean install.
never considered that.  I think that's a good idea to use different programs.  I definitely have in the past had an image that didn't work for some reason.  Reminds me of mouser's backup strategy document.
132  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Want to be in my story? See inside. on: February 04, 2015, 01:26:29 AM
 Grin app has been updated, lol!  possibly NSFW:
133  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Recommend some music videos to me! on: February 03, 2015, 07:07:49 PM
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Not sure if this has been posted.

I love this video.  I generally scoff at these star studded tribute lineups.  but this one turned out pretty perfect.  Tom Petty's no nonsense leadership, jeff Lynne's shockingly beautiful vocals, Winwood being very tasty as usual, and the perfect Prince setup where he comes out of the shadows.  Supposedly, harrison's son specifically asked for Prince...and he claims to have heard the song for the first time that day (hard to believe, but he DOES live in a bubble).  Look at Dhani Harrison's face when Prince comes in, he is ecstatic.  And whoever the tamborine guy is, he is making every second of that count (i would, too!).  I LOVE how Petty gives Prince "permission" to go off on the extended solo, lol.

This video also keeps reminding me how brilliant Prince is when it comes to rock guitar gods.  This comment on the youtube is perfect:
This shows why Prince could never be a part of a band. He doesn't ruin it, but he does take over a but. he's almost too talented for anyone to really embrace him. People like their guitarists to hang back a bit. Brilliant though. Even if he's never mentioned among the best, he really is and we all know it. 
134  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: QTTabbar (now at version 1024) is once again my favourite on: February 03, 2015, 05:37:35 PM
It's unclear to me:
does it do dual-pane - or are the multiple panes always showing the same location?

Explorer windows get multi-tabbed, is the main feature.  I tried a mod version done by the other guy some time ago.  It seemed stable enough.  But the main thing that gripes me with these single pane multi-tabbed deals is I try to drag a bunch of files to another tab and they disappear into a random subfolder, if there are any, in the target tab.  Then I have to hunt them down.  Not really convenient.  I feel more comfortable with dual pane multi-tabbed.

I downloaded this one and tried to get it going but it seemed to be hosed by the fact I had Classic Shell installed. I could not access the Folder Options down arrow to enable it.  I had a tough time uninstalling both.  So I went back to classic shell since I'm on W8 and I'm used to having it.

Classic Shell!  Seriously...I can't live without it.  If you need to tame Windows 8, go no further.
135  Main Area and Open Discussion / Non-Windows Software / Re: *FIXED*: Help! Problem with NoScript add-on in Firefox 35.0.1 on: February 03, 2015, 11:55:33 AM
136  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Sad news for scifi booklovers. Borderlands Books of San Francisco is closing. on: February 02, 2015, 11:21:24 PM
SF writer Cory Doctorow posted some very sad news on Boing-Boing. One of the very few independent science-fiction bookstores left in the USA, the famous Borderlands Books in San Francisco is planning on shutting its doors by March 31, 2015.

Their blog post serves up a neat summary of the seemingly insurmountable challenges an independent bookstore faces under the current realities of retail book selling.

You can read it here.

There is still some small hope. From their blog:

Some of you reading this probably have questions popping into your minds -- Is there a way to keep Borderlands open?  What alternatives have you considered?  What about moving out of SF?  What is going to happen to the cafe?  Is the business for sale?  And so on.  Before asking us your questions, please wait for a week.  We'll be sending out and posting updates frequently over the next week or so and those updates will probably answer most of your questions.  We will also be holding a public meeting in the cafe at seven P. M. on Thursday, February 12th. We'll be on hand to answer questions and moderate a discussion about alternatives to closing the store.  Although we do not believe that any viable alternative exists, we also think that we have a very smart and imaginative group of customers.  It is not impossible that we've missed a potential solution, and so we want an opportunity to hear your thoughts.

Hopefully some clever Jill or Joe will come up with an idea in time.

If not, "So it goes."
For those that follow this sort of business, what is the general perception of where this kind of business is headed?
I have friends in SF who are authors in niches like this...I kind of always have this image of SF as this haven for authors.  I'd hate to see that go.
137  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: stickies Notezilla memoboard as full-blown personal note system on: January 31, 2015, 02:37:51 PM
Before you spend too much time looking...let me clarify, Rightnote does NOT have that masonry feature anywhere.  I was trying to say that such a feature for any tree style notetaker would be a nice thing.  I haven't seen it anywhere.  You're picture of notezilla got me thinking about it.
It's the same approach as the windows tiles on windows 8 and windows phones.  It's the best use of space in a rectangular shape.  It's also been a feature we've been seeing more on websites since about 5 years ago.

I totally agree with your initial comment, Stephen, about the wasted whitespace.  That's the big challenge with these notetakers.

Wiznote is basically just like evernote, in some cases worse, some cases better.  I don't have any particular reason to use it other than evernote pissed me off.  But the thing I like best about it is the very flexible exporting ability.  So if i ever change my mind, I can get everything out of there in a good way.

And Outliner 4D....this is not a notetaker by any means.  But for organizing ideas in a structured hierarchy, it's the absolute best that I've ever seen.  And my favorite can print the outline just like you see it on the screen (try printing good looking outlines with any other software)...and also, the outlines can be exported in rtf.  I'm big into the rtf like you, because it retains formatting and is a middleman format for transferring stuff between applications.  I'm totally with you there.

There was a notetaker in the past that kept each note in a separate txt file or something.  Ah...Am-Notebook!  But I never latched on to that.  The idea of keeping notes in separate files was interesting, though.
138  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: stickies Notezilla memoboard as full-blown personal note system on: January 30, 2015, 05:01:31 PM
I just tried Notezilla (again), it doesn't work for me.  As I mentioned before, a really great feature for rightnote or any similar tree hierarchy is the option to display in masonry-style, all the subnotes.

So I'll be sticking to RN.  I mentioned this in another thread, but I'm still favoring Outliner 4D more and more for more structured glancing at notes and ideas.  But it's a manual process...i dump a bunch of stuff in wiznote, then eventually add the significant items to RN, then if i really need to dig into an idea, I'll do it in Outliner 4D.  I keep looking for tools to simplify this process, but at this point I'm almost philosophically convinced it can't be accomplished with a single tool.
139  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: stickies Notezilla memoboard as full-blown personal note system on: January 30, 2015, 03:59:41 PM
Trello looks very cool.  I'd like to try it and see how it compares to Slack.

Stephen, why did you stop using Rightnote?  I'm curious because it seems like we have the same needs.  I'm currently kind of dedicated to RN, but I haven't been exploring these other interesting options.  I don't find Rightnote lacking except for one thing which is not its's a tree hierarchical organizer, so they are all basically the same visual experience.  Something like what you showed with Notezilla is better in the sense that I can clearly and quickly glance at several notes at once.  You know what would be a great feature for RN...if you clicked on a folder containing subnotes, and all the subnotes are displayed the way you show for notezilla.  Instead, it just behaves like a regular note.
140  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Do we have any musical people on DC? on: January 30, 2015, 01:07:58 PM
stoic  Yeah, that is a thing.  It's true about the listening thing, maybe that's why it seems the bassists are better at explaining stuff to the other members, because they listen better?  I also struggle with any kind of extra ornaments when I play because it's hard enough for me to listen to everything and process it all.  Maybe when I'm more of a pro I can let that go and do more intentionally interactive things.
regarding pianists, I'm sure you've seen those players that hum or make more obnoxious sounds as they play (Keith Jarrett, Oscar P, etc).  Well, I've often been given advice that humming is a good way to learn or develop as a player. But it's never worked for me.  Then I was reading a book that basically said DON'T do the humming thing, just play it.  The humming really doesn't help, and it's best to avoid developing the habit.  And everything else the author explains hit home to me so I'm in that camp now.
It just seems hard to do all the extra stuff without affecting the quality of the music.  Often times, the best performances I've seen were pretty stoic all around.  I'm talking about the quality of the definitely would be considered boring to those who don't have the ear for it.
I really love and laugh a lot when I watch Count Basie.  So extremely minimal and subtle.  An eyebrow raise here and there, a look, perhaps a small gesture.  lol.
here's a video of Jimmy Forrest blowing his brains out on Night Train.  Basie can tell with his emphatic nodding @1:32 (emphatic for basie, that is, hardly noticeable to normal people).
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141  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Do we have any musical people on DC? on: January 30, 2015, 12:35:25 PM
So maybe Tal is Jeff's good luck talisman these days? Her now famous 2007 performance with an uncharacteristically considerate Jeff Beck at the Crossroads Festival did more for Jeff's career (most people were already fairly tired of him) than it did hers. Or so I think. But I could well be wrong about all this. My long standing dislike of all things 'Jeff Beck' (the 'whys' of which are not worth going into) sometimes tends to cloud my normally more rational thought processes.
I remember this!  And i think you are exactly right!  That crossroads performance had me thinking about jeff beck more so than anything else i can think of.  I have to go back and watch it.

I know "underrated" can be used to describe any instrument in a band, but a great bassist does typically tend to be underrated.  I've probably learned more from bass players than any other instrument.  They tend to explain things better.
It's interesting that as pop music continues to evolve, it's the bass that is getting louder and louder, while everything else is fading away, along with  melodies, songs with more than two chords or measures (lol).
142  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Do we have any musical people on DC? on: January 29, 2015, 06:10:18 PM
^ She is a pretty sweet person to say nothing of being rather nice to look at too. Her CV is extremely impressive. So much so I make it a point not to say "young" or "female" in the same sentence with her name and the term "bass player." She not a fine <fill in the blank> bass player. She is a superb bass player. Period.

And at the ripe old age of 28, she has a long career ahead of her. Thmbsup
It's funny you mention that, because I actually had to go back and edit the phrase "Wilkenfeld chick lady" for the same reason.  Yea, no question...she's the real deal.  I'd very much like to hear this thing she's done with Jackson Browne.
143  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: everyday life revolution on: January 29, 2015, 05:32:05 PM
There was a time in my life where computers, automation, programming, etc. was considered uber-nerd activity, wouldn't get any girls, the opposite of jocks.

I was quite the freak in school, it seems: leader of the computer club (Pascal, FTW) (nerd), high-ranking member of the Air Force JROTC squadron (nerd-ish), and captain of back-to-back state championship hockey teams (jock).   tongue

Still programming...and still playing age 41.  Love it.
I love it!  You are ahead of your time!  I was friendly with the Air Force ROTC ladies...I didn't realize it was nerd-ish.  I thought I was jocking it up!  But now that you bring it up, they were more nerdy than the Army folk.  But seriously, your life balance is admirable, especially being familiar with your programming work.
144  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Evernote Desktop v2.2.1.386.0 appreciation thread on: January 29, 2015, 05:07:10 PM
By the way, for those who are very passionate about the old desktop Evernote, i really do highly recommend Wiznote as a worthy successor.  It has a very flexible importing/exporting feature, which is an important feature for software like this; perhaps even the best existing implementation of such a feature right now.  It works on the web, iphone, android, and desktop.
145  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Do we have any musical people on DC? on: January 29, 2015, 04:59:00 PM
@Tomos - Yeah. He's botching the friggin' beat too... And she seems like such a nice kid. That little happy smile she flashes when she gets that smattering of applause is adorable.

What a dork to be working for. (Nice dye job or wig you got there Jeff! Even kids in the third world, who never saw so much as a TV set, would take one look and say: "Look Mommy! Man wearing rug! Rug!") Evil

As you may have guessed, I'm not a fan of Jeff Beck. tongue

(BTW: He's playing G-G <beat> F^G - not F#. My bad. embarassed )
I am really enjoying your animosity towards Jeff Beck, 40.
I didn't know about this Wilkenfeld lady.  Let me just say this personally...she is soooooo attractive.  holy cow.  The first girl i fell in love with as an adult had hair like that.
146 Software / Screenshot Captor / Re: extract pics from on: January 29, 2015, 04:42:00 PM
Did you try using GOM Media Player?

How-to here

Alternatively, you could use the multiplatform command line tool ffmpeg.

ffmpeg is a powerful and complex tool that can do just about anything when it comes to video. It's well worth spending some time with it to get an idea of all the things it can do. But to cut to the chase, here's how get it to do what you're asking without getting into too many details about all the options ffmpeg supports. The how-to is from a Linux perspective, but the command works the same in Windows so just follow along.

Luck! Thmbsup
That looks pretty easy.  Media Player Classic is also quite popular for this sort of thing:
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Certain *seedier* parts of the internet use MPC a lot for this.
147  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: everyday life revolution on: January 29, 2015, 04:36:30 PM
At any rate, if you automate all aspects of your life, what do you have left?  Not much.  That's what.  And, if you say something like, "Just automate the mundane things in life so you have more time for the fun things," I would tell you that that just goes hand-in-hand with the "immediate gratification" paradigm that we see more and more in the world (especially with the younger generation).  It's not healthy, in my opinion.  I'd rather feel like I've earned my so-called fun time by taking care of the mundane things that need to be taken care of.  That's called delayed gratification and I find that a much healthier paradigm (especially for children).

^this - Bravo!!  Thmbsup
There was a time in my life where computers, automation, programming, etc. was considered uber-nerd activity, wouldn't get any girls, the opposite of jocks.  So if you were into those things, you kept it on the down low and did your best to emphasize your more muscular activities such as auto repair, sports, berating people, etc. The muscular community would often tote the delayed gratification line to emphasize the negative aspects of the nerd world, thus proving the wonderful qualities of their slower, mundane methods.

Then the iphone came out and it was soooo cool.  Fascination with numbers and statistics soon followed in the previously muscular community.  Now that these things were considered hip and profitable, the musculars need to adopt it somehow.  So they start implementing these previously undesireable things in their lives.  Statistics start flying around a lot.  Proofs and "facts" and "truths" become subjects of normal conversation.  but they are not trained in these affairs.  However, they are skilled in rhetoric and berating from the previous era's practices.  So they berate the public with these newfound ideas, incorrectly.  Now, we are all caught up in this transitional period.  Assholes trying to be nerds; nerds trying to be assholes.  Oy.  And it all has to do with this internet; the great equalizer.  It sure is getting harder to keep secrets now, is that good...bad?  I dunno, but it is.  My personal hope is that it becomes harder to be an asshole and everyone can be a nerd in whatever category they are inclined towards.  But who can also lead to a new breed of uber, ebola resistant assholes.
148  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Windows 10 as an Internet service? on: January 29, 2015, 04:16:30 PM
I will be sooooo happy once I get completely out from under the Windows/Mac/iOS/Droid virtual reality containment dome.
Me too.  Although there would be some windows withdrawal symptoms I'd have to be prepared for.
149  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Do we have any musical people on DC? on: January 26, 2015, 11:13:43 PM
@SB - really interesting article. Didn't know some of that. Thx! Thmbsup

Ray knows he has something special. Over the years he has it appraised a bunch of times, and he hears English, Italian, Scotch, etc. Then it turns out it’s a match for a bass known to be an Amati in England. The bass becomes reputed to be a circa 1640 Amati.

Postscript: The Amati assertion has always been controversial. I’ve talked to at least one guy who says the twin to Ray’s bass in England is now believed to be a Glassel, made in Marknukeurchen

*Mini very rational 40hz rant follows. Please feel free to ignore.*

So typical with orchestral basses.  undecided The disputes that break out over exactly what a given bass is.  tongue

My GF's Mom is a very good violinist who played with several local orchestras. She had (allegedly - although they were both appraised and blessed off as being genuine by some big name string instrument appraisers in New York City) a Ceruti (who was a famous student of Amati) and a Guarneri. They're both fine violins with lovely but very different characters. Not the most beautiful I've ever heard. But they're up there. Especially the Guarneri. However, I've heard some modern instruments I've actually liked better. And those had neither the fancy pedigree - nor the nose-bleed inducing price tags - her two violins had. And let's not even get started on the bows - which are a whole other business and arena for debate!

I guess I just don't get it. Either when it comes to Cremona violins - or '57 Stratocasters for that matter. As long as something sounds good, is responsive, and plays well, I could care less who made it or when or where. But that's me. Which is to say I'm a working musician rather than an investor in rarities or an instrument collector.

Probably the only thing (besides transportation hassles) that I was actually glad to get away from, when I got away from playing string bass, was the mystique and nonsense surrounding the instrument itself. Sure, better instruments made by better makers (using better materials and construction methods) sounded better than those that were not. But I can't really see or hear anything that justifies the some of the reputations or astronomical prices many of these "fine instruments" fetch. I have heard one or two (played by some famous players) that were amazing. But there weren't that many. Certainly not enough to create the industry that exists to buy and sell these things.
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Sad thing is, that same nonsense is coming to the world of electric bass. There's already the 'collectable instrument' feeding frenzy starting to develop around the '60-'62 Fender Jazz and '58-'60 Fender Precision basses along with Gibson Thunderbirds from the early 60s...

I mean what is with these people? These are mass-manufactured production instruments. In the case of Leo Fender's instruments, they were acknowledged (by Leo himself) to be designed to be as easy and cheap to manufacture as was humanly possible. Even those vintage paint jobs so prized by Fender collectors were the result of his using automotive paints purchased in odd lots from a company that was conveniently located just down the road from the Fender factory. There's a half-joke at Fender that says if house paint was as readily available, and a nickel cheaper a gallon, Leo would have used that instead.

Maybe I'll follow Carol's lead and just switch to cello. Wink

In the case of Ray Brown, I think it wasn't so much the bass itself as it was the bass + Ray Brown. Because the "thing" isn't the instrument (which is just an inert pile of metal, wood, and potential) OR the player (which is heap of DNA, biomass, and spirit) but the combination that really makes whatever magic there is happen.
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Ok, I'm done! Carry on. Grin
Good read man!  glad to hear it coming from an experienced bass player, too.  It's so hard for me sometimes to deal with these kinds of music pseudo-science debates!  It's even hard to ignore...once the question is raised, you start to wonder, lol!  Why shouldn't a new bass sound better than an old one?  Because it wasn't hand crafted by the one master that ever lived?  Man, so many of these kinds of conversations with musicians.  I know for sure I've run a couple past you...regarding digital vs analog, recorded vs samples, etc.
And great point...the bass is good because ray brown preferred it.  Not because it's the could be very average!  Like Willie's guitar, Trigger.  He didn't even give that up when the IRS came knocking.
150  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Do we have any musical people on DC? on: January 26, 2015, 03:24:10 PM
Cello is inconvenient for travelling but pales into insignificance with double bass hassles (I used to play bass years ago)

Couldn’t agree with you more about travelling with the double bass. And I never humped anything bigger than the 3/4 size. I can only imagine what a nightmare carting the awesome 4/4 would be like. In my "union member" days we used to get a flat "cartage" fee  on top of the hourly session fee if the client insisted on hiring someone to play the "doghouse." Needless to say, Leo's Precision and Jazz basses got very popular with booking agents once their clients realized they could save some coin by not automatically insisting on a "real" double bass.

I'm one of those guys that insists on a real bass!  Lol, that's always a tense discussion.  Here's a very nice story about the most famous bass I know of: Ray Brown's bass.  It happens to be right here in town, being played by his hand-picked protege, John Clayton (and I take lessons from his pianist!).  A bass player told me this instrument was referred to as "The Truck" for its size.
I've clipped the story below, it's a good read, from here:
(actually, reading this story, it sounds like the large original bass is with someone else.  Ray must have given Mr. Clayton his working bass, I'm guessing the smaller one.)
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