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76  Other Software / Community Giveaways / Re: Scrivener at 50% off on: March 06, 2014, 04:33:15 PM
"I took it, but gave it back smiley"

Now THIS is interesting stuff!

Would you condescend to comment?


Interesting... how?  And what comment are you looking for?  On the product, or on the statement?

Urlwolf had expressed interest in the code, so I marked the giveaway as closed- but then he stated he didn't want to use it so 'gave it back'.  Not really sure from the 'condescend' (patronize?) in the statement towards what you wanted comments. 

It appears that English might not be your native language, so there might just be a misunderstanding of your phrasing?
77  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Why I consider file managers inferior tothe file M solution you'd ideally expect on: March 06, 2014, 04:28:22 PM
"Auto filters on folders?  That's just plain cool."

Of course it is, but then, again, this automatic filtering of files should be accessible from within your main application, automatically presenting you a dataset reflecting what you're doing in your real work environment: Any file commander is just INTERFERING, badly or slightly, but interfering, with that "natural workflow" which in most cases, today, has NOT yet been realized for most people.

As the writer of that particular statement, I must disagree with your assessment- and if you'd *read* the feature, you'd see it's a lot more than just filtering.

When browsing source, there are several file types for my particular case, i.e. for c# .xaml, .xaml.cs, .cs, and more- to have those clearly outlined and coloured (which is part of the autofilters) is pretty useful.  Same when differentiating between source and css or source and images, etc.  The filters go beyond the mere not showing to labeling and colours.  It also allows grouping of filetypes based on rules, i.e. the .xaml with the .xaml.cs.  So your estimation of the usefulness is based on your opinion- which is quite valid for you, but not valid for everyone else.  Which is exactly what I say at the end of the iteration of those features, i.e. each person should evaluate the benefits rather than just the feature list.  Which is also the reason that I am still in the evaluation mode, rather than just being a 'fanboy' and purchasing.
78  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Directory Opus 11 Released! on: March 06, 2014, 02:05:53 PM
Well, you don't have to make it a policy that is published. But if a user contacts you and inquires about it, I would be more in the mindset of "keep them happy" and provide the upgrade only upon request if you are < 1 year in.

Yeah... I agree it would be nice. But it's up to the developer.  But on the other hand, not to do it because you don't think it would be met with a good reply and not let them know about it...? 

I'd do it anyway, personally.
79  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Directory Opus 11 Released! on: March 06, 2014, 12:41:48 PM
I really don't feel that, in my case, the "three year payment" holds water. I purchased this product 10 months ago. I only received two update notifications from the program stating that an update was available. Now, less than a year later, I am being told I have to pay again to move to the current version, and oh by the way the cost is just above half of what I paid originally. 

And yes, I saw the comparison about MS office. The difference there is, I have received 7 licenses to Office (2007-2013) that have cost me LESS than a single license of DOpus. Just because "retail" is expensive, doesn't mean there aren't promotions and/or other ways to obtain office in a legitimate fashion.

That said, I am not trying to be negative. In my case, however, I feel a tad upset about being asked to pay for a product I just paid for 10 months ago. I DID NOT receive the number of updates being mentioned here. I purchased the product in a state where those updates had already occurred.

I think that goes towards another discussion that I posted- the version vs. time-limited license.  In this case, a time limited (1 year of updates) would have been better for you.  I think that as a developer, in some cases, you just can't win.
80  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Directory Opus 11 Released! on: March 06, 2014, 08:21:41 AM
That's the two PCs and a laptop deal. (The single licence is one PC and a laptop.) The upgrade price for "ordinary" customers on that deal is AUS$74. I paid AUS$71 for the previous version on 30th April 2011. So it works out at about AUS$8 per PC per year. My how extortionate!

I think we've gotten away from that, so if we could, could I use 40's more articulate plea on that regard?  Try not to offend, nor be offended?  Snark has it's place... but I don't personally think here.  And this is from someone who agrees with you (and has all along)


Yes, but those are features, not benefits. It's a traditional marketing pitfall to present the customer with features but not explain the benefits of those features, which is what I'd need to understand better to make the purchase decision. I was just hoping maybe someone here who understands the product more can articulate those a bit further.

If I had windows 8, the killer benefit to me would be the SkyDrive support.  That's one of the slickest things about windows 8 from the short time I had my tablet.

Without that, there's a couple of other benefits that appeal to me (a semi-casual user):

File Display Toolbars
Streamlined Copy Progress Display - might make it so I don't have to use teracopy, I have to try it.
Breadcrumbs, Status Bar, and FAYT changes - these address some of my major complaints.  Especially the FAYT part, as I had to use wildcards before.
Folder Tree Changes - especially remembering the root branches.  Another major complaint of mine.
File and Folder Labels Improvements - Auto filters on folders?  That's just plain cool.

But I think that when you start to break it down not in terms of benefits instead of features, it's going to be a personal experience (and I think that is the best way to break it down), which is why I'm leaning towards jumping from 9 to 11... 10 didn't have anything that personally appealed to me, but 11 does.
81  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Directory Opus 11 Released! on: March 05, 2014, 05:42:58 PM
And that's why I apologised straight away - not just that I hadn't checked the details - but that I realised I had said it in such an obnoxious way that it was pretty unreasonable, and understandable if it got a knee-jerk response.

I just want to say also Tomos, thanks for that.  It's not about doing things or offending or making mistakes- we all do that.  It's what happens after that's important.  And I appreciate that.

Thmbsup
82  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Directory Opus 11 Released! on: March 05, 2014, 04:40:32 PM
We aren't really upset or anything, but please look at it from our point of view - we get an email from DonationCoder saying "hey, can we have a discount please!", so we come to DonationCoder to see what people are saying, and find a thread where mostly what they're saying is what horribly nasty thieves we are.

With all due respect, when I look at the entire thread, there was one person who took issue with the upgrade window (as he understood it), one person agreeing that (if that were in fact true) it left a bad taste, and a few others commenting it seemed a somewhat expensive upgrade.

I'd hardly characterize that as anybody calling anyone a horribly nasty thief. Or that the thread was hostile or derogatory towards DO.

Apparently there are differences in individual perception. So be it. It happens.

So I'd like to suggest, going forward, thicker skins and softer words. And as Cliff Stoll so aptly suggested, many years ago, when online discussion forums were just starting to take off:

   Lets:

     1) Try not to offend.

     2) Try not to be so easily offended.
 (see attachment in previous post) Pax!  smiley

Some of the posts that he was referring to have been since edited.  There was a bit of inflammatory phrasing.  Which sort of falls under the try not to offend portion.  And was all that I was asking for- a stance where we can state our opinions without offending.  But apparently that was taken wrong, and people were offended by the suggestion.
* wraith808 shrugs
83  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Directory Opus 11 Released! on: March 05, 2014, 04:37:51 PM
Right... but I bought a two machine license.

Ah, so it's a bit like Windows, which you can install on up to five machines? (assuming you buy five licenses of course)

Grin


No.  If you read the post above, you see that for my two licenses, I get three machines.  So not quite.
84  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Directory Opus 11 Released! on: March 05, 2014, 04:04:33 PM
SlickEdit is still better in the sense that the user can use it on multiple computer.
When I bought DOpus 8, I bought a dual license so that I could use DOpus on two computers (probably my laptop and my desktop).  When I upgraded to version 9, I was pleased to see that the single-user license now covered a laptop in addition to the desktop, so I was able to save some money.  This policy continued in version 10 and, I hope and assume, in version 11 as well (I haven't yet upgraded).  Here's a statement of the policy in the User's Manual for version 10:  The standard license is a single-installation license which allows the installation of the SOFTWARE on one physical machine only, for exclusive use on that machine only, plus one personal laptop owned by and in exclusive use by the registered purchaser.

It's still the same- I quoted the relevant version from the pricing page above.
85  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Directory Opus 11 Released! on: March 05, 2014, 03:35:07 PM
I'm still on 9.  I love DO.  I just can't justify the price that often.  It was the same with SlickEdit.
SlickEdit is still better in the sense that the user can use it on multiple computer.

You can do the same with DO.  I do currently.
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http://www.gpsoft.com.au/order_intro.html

Directory Opus is licenced on a per-machine basis.

Right... but I bought a two machine license.  And I always renew on that basis.  So its actually three machines since they give you a free laptop one with your original.  Just for reference:

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Directory Opus Pro Single - Single machine licence plus one personal laptop
Directory Opus Pro Dual - Two machine licence plus one personal laptop
Directory Opus Pro Five - Five machine licence plus one personal laptop
86  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Directory Opus 11 Released! on: March 05, 2014, 01:20:15 PM
It's not about payola.  It's about realizing that one hasty word can make those conversations a lot more difficult, so we need to be cautious about realizing that there are definitely ramifications about saying things that may or may not be true.  And it's not about being bought and paid for- we still tell the truth.  I told nothing but the unmitigated truth in my reviews for some of these things- but I was also diplomatic about the use of words that are inflammatory and packed with emotion.  Especially in regards to things that may have had me hot under the collar for my experiences.  Taking consideration of what you say and the ramifications thereof should *always* be a consideration when posting IMO.  Would you say it to the person in person?  Or would you perhaps ask or say things in a different way.  Then your posting on a board should take the same thing into account.  Respect and consideration are the key- not changing what you say, just how you say it.

First, it's not censorship.  It was an admonishment from *me* from *my experiences*.  As I have no way to enforce or say anything as a policy, it's not censorship.  No one said to do anything other than to take it into account.  Whatever you want to do, it's on you.

Second, there is no 'buying silence'.  There was apparently something said that was incorrect.  I didn't rebut it, because I don't know.  But I offered him the ability to come here and do it, or to let me know what was incorrect so I could post it.  How is that buying silence?  And I have no intent of going back to him with any changes or anything to say- "see?  We've fixed it. Now can we have a discount?"  That's not what I was saying at all, nor what was meant.  It's decently insulting to say so, also... so I'm going to back off of this with one last statement.

A lot of us haven't had anything to do with fostering these relationships behind the scenes, nor do we realize how hard it is.  I didn't fully appreciate the efforts of cthorpe in that regard until I started dealing with them.  To walk that line of building a relationship with developers based on mutual benefit without compromising DC is something that is quite difficult.  And many developers already don't want to give specialized discounts nor work with sites.  And it's a lot of work.  It's easy to talk about it, and hard to do it.  I just want to thank the people who have taken this role in the past.  And wish the best to anyone who takes it in the future.
87  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Directory Opus 11 Released! on: March 05, 2014, 11:22:49 AM
Still sounds like a threat - and just a little bit 'convenient' to me.

It would be convenient, IMO, if they had approached us.  I approached him at the urging of the members.  And apparently the whole time he'd been following the thread- I didn't point him to it.  And he hasn't revoked our other discount.  So I don't see a threat implied nor explicit personally.
88  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Directory Opus 11 Released! on: March 05, 2014, 11:21:04 AM
I'm still on 9.  I love DO.  I just can't justify the price that often.  It was the same with SlickEdit.
SlickEdit is still better in the sense that the user can use it on multiple computer.

You can do the same with DO.  I do currently.
89  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Directory Opus 11 Released! on: March 05, 2014, 08:15:32 AM
Well, remember when I told you about the manner in which people say things is important to our relationship with developers?  I don't think we'll be getting a discount.  I received this response:

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We are not very impressed as hard working developers when we see stuff like this on DC…. Sad
 
Does not give us a warm feeling towards you when this kind of untruths and garbage is published without moderation or correction.


"they have a sickening habit of reducing the upgrade discount after a short period of time.  It's currently roughly a 45% reduction - last upgrade, that went down to a 10% reduction within a couple of months"

My response was that he was free to post a correction- I'm not sure of the specifics, so I can't post a rebuttal- but told him that he was free to do so, and asked what was incorrect about the statement.  But please be careful and responsible in your posting- as always, your opinions are your opinions, but they do affect our relationship with developers, and our ability to get discounts.  I didn't know that before I started doing the stuff with discounts... but I've seen it in operation.  

And besides that, I do understand his sentiment if this is not true and was posted.  Any actual anecdotal information to back this up one way or the other?  I didn't think it strange because many companies do reduce their discount over time- as a reward to the ones that purchase earlier.  I probably wouldn't have used 'sickening' for that reason- but that's just my opinion.
90  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Micro-Fundraiser for the Official DonationCoder CodyMobile! on: March 04, 2014, 03:27:08 PM
Mouser, you should go the way that I'm going... The Elio.  Not out until next year, but that's definitely what I'm getting for my commute car.

Surely you don't really need four wheels, do you?
 

Apparently not tongue
91  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Directory Opus 11 Released! on: March 04, 2014, 01:32:47 PM
I'm still on 9.  I love DO.  I just can't justify the price that often.  It was the same with SlickEdit.
92  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Netflix Mocks Amazon's Drone Delivery with Video! on: March 03, 2014, 03:53:14 PM
Oh, I meant the guy at cad-comic.com.  It's mostly about the gaming industry, but he does mix it up with tangential stuff.


... but, yeah, Ren too smiley
93  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Pretty good App Store piece on Lifehacker on: March 03, 2014, 02:08:25 PM
[attach=1]

How App Stores Changed the Way We Buy Software, for Better and Worse
94  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Netflix Mocks Amazon's Drone Delivery with Video! on: March 03, 2014, 12:19:45 PM
He does have some real zingers sometimes smiley
95  News and Reviews / Mini-Reviews by Members / Re: Atom - A new editor is born on: March 03, 2014, 07:46:26 AM
Thanks for the post!  Some items from the FAQ that might be of interest.

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How much will Atom cost?

We haven't settled on pricing yet, but you can expect it to be competitively priced compared to similar editors.

Will Atom be open source?

We have not finalized licensing on Atom's core (nucleus?), but we're aiming for a common ground between fully-closed and fully-open. Follow @AtomEditor for additional details as they become available.

All non-core Atom packages provided by GitHub will be under the MIT license.

Why does Atom send usage data to Google Analytics?

In the same way that aggregate usage information is important when developing a web application, we've found that it's just as important for desktop applications, especially during the beta program. By knowing which Atom features are being used the most, and how the editor is performing, we can focus our development efforts in the right place. For details on what data Atom is sending or to learn how to disable metrics gathering, visit https://github.com/atom/metrics.
96  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Netflix Mocks Amazon's Drone Delivery with Video! on: March 01, 2014, 05:27:18 PM
97  Other Software / DC Gamer Club / Re: GoG and Regional Pricing on: March 01, 2014, 03:13:47 PM
And two awesome videos:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvjzg7yiOOQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvjzg7yiOOQ</a>

and GoG's response

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfSrjPANNf8" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfSrjPANNf8</a>
98  Other Software / DC Gamer Club / Re: GoG and Regional Pricing on: March 01, 2014, 03:06:06 PM
I thought it was really telling of the maturity level of some of those affected, that one of them actually wrote a perl script to analyze his spending and how that translates to the new model- and found that at least for his case (using Paypal and Euros) that he would have spent less under the pricing model.  Of course, that doesn't always translate- but it does point out that they aren't trying to screw the customers.

Oh... and to see just staff replies (a cool feature of their forum)

http://www.gog.com/forum/...releases_coming?staff=yes

http://www.gog.com/forum/...egional_pricing?staff=yes

99  Other Software / DC Gamer Club / Re: GoG and Regional Pricing on: March 01, 2014, 02:28:27 PM
I don't understand why they're suddenly changing the flat pricing of the older games to regional pricing. Even if the rates are approximately equal now doesn't mean they will be in the future.

I think it's for consistency in the catalog and with the pricing.  It's also b/c when not in local currency, some places couldn't buy from the catalog, and/or couldn't use certain methods of payment.  At least, for good or ill, that's what I understand from following the thread.
100  Other Software / DC Gamer Club / GoG and Regional Pricing on: March 01, 2014, 12:08:03 PM
In case you missed the complete firestorm, GoG has announced Regional Pricing for their titles.  (No, that's not what the title says, but the other is just smoke and mirrors).  Then the MD posted an open letter to try to stem the tide.

Let me sum up.  GoG had a few tenets in addition to no-DRM- one was a fair price for everyone, which meant no regional pricing.  I never really paid attention before, being in the US.  But I do know about region locking and such in an abstract sort of way, especially with GamersGate- going to a title and not being able to get it.  As they've grown, and gotten to the limits of what they have to release and get further growth, they've found that one of two things have to happen.

1) they have to be satisfied with their growth in terms of catalog, and realize that their sales will eventually start to die off as people get the majority of what they want from their never growing catalog. (I've personally bought less and less because there's just very little there that interests me, even on sale anymore)
2) they have to change their stance on one of their lesser tenets to get leverage for the big one- no-DRM.

On new releases, the publisher has more rights in terms of what the game sells for.  Its a reality they've come up against.  But their agreements give them more leverage to get older titles, and to get no-DRM in day one releases.  And hopefully spread no-DRM through the industry.

Their prices on their new releases- well, they suck for people that are not USD.  But they are the same as anywhere else (I hesitate to use the word that they used- competitive- because competition has nothing in common with price fixing).  They do add goodies in if your local currency is higher than USD, but that's a faint salve.

For their other games, they are setting a set price in local currency, which might be a few pennies less or more depending on the daily conversion rates.

I see the points of all involved, but I don't see anything inherently evil in what they're doing.  They basically have a rock and a hard place, and are trying to make the situation as best as they can for all.

Just wondering if there are any opinions here.  (Their marketing guy has been fielding some pretty vitriolic things with grace under pressure, I might add- and the thread is surprisingly civil for that).
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