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2601  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: EverDesk stores emails in your normal folders with other docs on: October 26, 2012, 12:05:27 AM
Unfortunately, this Giveaway got hijacked early on when someone posted the comment that it doesn't work with Gmail. It actually does!
However, from that point on, people just kept repeating the mantra "piece of rubbish" without even trying it for themselves. I see the same thing happened in this forum. I hope GAOTD gives it another chance.

From https://www.everdesk.com/features

[attach=1]

You're in a position to dispute what's on their own website?  If so, can you explain how?

2602  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: ArsTechnica hand-on review of Surface RT on: October 25, 2012, 09:49:46 PM
IIUC, Surface with Windows RT => ARM chip => no legacy apps & no other operating systems...

Yup.  This is firmly the iPad version of the platform.  Also (I think) means that you have to use the windows store.
2603  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: EverDesk stores emails in your normal folders with other docs on: October 25, 2012, 09:48:31 PM
Yup. Monetization - that bastard love-child born out of the unholy union between Upsell and Bait&Switch.
 Grin

ZING!  Grin
2604  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: People Turning on Trolls? on: October 25, 2012, 07:07:06 PM
I guess the real point is that, when dealing with a troll, you take care not to become one.

This x1000 smiley
2605  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: ArsTechnica hand-on review of Surface RT on: October 25, 2012, 04:52:55 PM
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But Microsoft has a competing pressure. It wants to show off its software in the best light possible, and controlling the whole experience—software, hardware, and even retail—is how it plans to achieve that.

One of the most telling statements in the article IMO.  It's one of the places where MS's entry into any other market has fallen; having to fit into someone else's design and infrastructure.

All in all, it's a good review.  I'm still not convinced (after this and the other review of Win Cool.  It's something that's so borderline that I'm going to have to hold it to see.  And my main hesitance with that is history (Zune, Tablet PC, Windows Phones, etc).  It would have had to pass the pricing test for me to dip my toe in the water, and $599 for the version that I would have gotten is a bit much for a device with a limited lifespan. 

It could pass the other harder test - the test of time.  But only time will tell.
2606  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: JustCloud.com: It's All Lies on: October 25, 2012, 01:53:28 PM
Box.com offers 25 GB for free: https://www.box.com/signup/
Do you know it? Can you advise it or advise against it?

Is that a referrrer link on the end?  It's good to let people know that... smiley
2607  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Neowin reviews Windows 8 - Leave your pre-conceived notions at the door on: October 25, 2012, 01:52:09 PM
I've never seen that!  I'll take a look.  I don't really find this any more intrusive than UAC truth be told, which also happens very often on the mac, which took be aback a bit.  As long as they have the ability, I don't think it's a problem- its when they take away the ability... though I guess that's what you're talking about- that this is the next step.  I think it would be a lot nicer if they changed it from allow to ask, i.e. the way that I've seen it, i.e. I download the app and it asks me because it doesn't know if it's ok.  That seems a better approach than to outright disallow.

And yes, mine wasn't a fresh install.  Along those same lines, I really don't see the problem with not selling the upgrade outside of the app store, especially if it allows them to cut out some of the price.  You have to admit that the price for the upgrade is dirt cheap- I wonder if that's what's behind it.
2608  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Help me choose an online backup service on: October 25, 2012, 01:45:28 PM
In the case that the person doesn't come back after being called out, I also think it appropriate to remove the original post.
2609  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: CentOS Administration Tool Recommendations? on: October 25, 2012, 11:47:35 AM
When I was preparing to get back into things, I was looking at OpenPanel.  I didn't get too far into it before I changed my mind, so can't tell you too much other than it was easy to install their image.  It seems to have fallen by the wayside since I looked at it, however.

There's also a list on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/w...eb_hosting_control_panels
2610  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: EverDesk stores emails in your normal folders with other docs on: October 25, 2012, 11:37:55 AM
I've gotten to the point that I don't even look at GAOTD b/c of the crazy restrictions.  Decided to look into this until I saw this comment.

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Was quite excited about being able to download and deal with Gmail when I discovered THIS GAOTD version doesn’t. You have to buy the upgraded version to get the one thing that is really needed. I was very disappointed as there are hundreds of email clients with some storing to folders – just none for Gmail. What a bummer.

Just an FYI
2611  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Neowin reviews Windows 8 - Leave your pre-conceived notions at the door on: October 25, 2012, 11:24:41 AM
And OSX is also restricted to the AppStore and "signed" applications by default

Where is that?  I haven't opted out of anything, and I can run unsigned OSS on my box just fine, so I'm not so sure that this is true.  About half of what I have is App Store, and the other half is stuff I've downloaded through several different outlets and installed and run from DMGs.  If they aren't signed, it asks you before running, but other than that, it works fine.
2612  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: DOTCOM saga - updates on: October 25, 2012, 10:10:35 AM
LOL smiley

In terms of that, yeah... unless you're able to rouse the rabble to change the rules, you have to play by the rules as set out.  And those rules are played in such a way that to get ahead, you have to sell a bit of yourself.  And by the time that you get there, you've sold everything that made you an alternative.

And I am pretty cynical in some areas, which actually manifests in strange ways in terms of my final output.  

For example, you posted that 9/11 bit.  The reason that I don't believe that the conspiracy theorists are right that it was the government is a two-fold reason.

1. The government has already shown themselves to be incompetent.
2. The government has already shown themselves to be incapable of keeping secrets.

At this level, there would have had to be a frightening level of competency to create the scenario shown, and a level of secrecy on the level of the so-called Illuminati for no concrete evidence of what actually happened to come forth, i.e the grassy knoll and the second shooter.

So, taking these, and going with the simplest solution- everyone wanted a reason and someone to blame, and was asking the government to find out for them.  In it's usual inept way, the government rushed to judgement and released a half-arsed response, that didn't cover all of the evidence.  Now, in their usual way, they try to cover up the fact that they were half-arsed, which then looks like a cover up in general.

It's more cinematic and validating to think that there must have been a cover up.  But I think it's more realistic to think that it's just business as usual.

And yeah, read that book I pointed out.  It's pretty dystopian, but strangely in that, not depressing.  But it covers a whole lot about this, and some of the lines are real zingers.

Oh, and to see the differences (and note that the ones that don't make a difference internally are not included), there's a good comparison on this site where they evaluate the last debate (http://www.news.com.au/wo...ry-fndir2ev-1226501175764).  It's funny that to get anywhere near reasoned reporting on the US elections, you have to look on news sites outside of the US.  But that's a different subject...
2613  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Neowin reviews Windows 8 - Leave your pre-conceived notions at the door on: October 25, 2012, 09:54:04 AM
People talk about MS trying to be like Apple- but on the desktop, MacOS isn't locked down, nor confined to the AppStore.  In fact, several of their largest software providers don't use the App Store at all.  Just thought I'd point that out.
2614  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: DOTCOM saga - updates on: October 24, 2012, 11:05:18 PM
I can certainly see why you'd think that I'm full of BS there.

I just can't help thinking about voting for the lesser of 2 evils and: "So, how's voting for evil working out for you?"

Right now it pretty much looks like people are being asked who they'd like to have their face kicked in by. Either way, you're going to get a boot stamping in your face, so why not refuse to answer and instead spit in their face? I see voting for someone else, like Gary Johnson, as spitting in their face.

I actually didn't mean you... I meant him.  And from what I've seen, you're only alternative until you become an alternative.  There's just no way to get to that level playing that game without becoming who you're playing against.  And yes, you can view it as spitting in their face, but I remember an old adage that hating someone is like taking poison and expecting them to die.  I guess that's my point- in no way shape or form does voting for Gary Johnson (or not voting) hurt the status quo.  All it does is make one more vote off the playing field.  Though they appear the same, you can believe that what they put through is to some extent different.  And though you might not be able to affect the political hot potatoes that they're going to pretty much punt or vote the same way or do the same thing about, those other issues that are different are not insignificant.
2615  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Win 8 password security review on: October 24, 2012, 09:11:07 PM
Thanks!  A lot of good and enlightening information in that article.
2616  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Interesting Phishing Email - Seen This? on: October 24, 2012, 08:48:33 PM
Hmmm... maybe something else compromised his contact list?  And this is just that rolling downhill?
2617  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: DOTCOM saga - updates on: October 24, 2012, 08:45:16 PM
Dude has a point! He's not going to win. (Which is a good thing for his health and personal safety - presidents that like the United States government to issue currency get assassinated.) But voting for him at least sends a message that you're sick of the same crap all the time.

That's BS (IMO).  It might send a message for you, but not for anyone else that cares.  Too much money is tied up in the two political parties for any other party to be viable, and they know that.  And knowing that, the marginal vote for other candidates sends no real message, especially not a lasting one.  And the biggest reason that we don't have a viable third party (and truthfully we need 4 for real change) is that the other parties don't know how to work in small steps.  It would take decades of concerted effort to create a viable third party, but working lower offices in an organized manner to spread the candidates and the messages.

But in the end, the way that politics works is so corruptible and requires such compromise that by the time the party had spread, they would most likely look like one of the parties that exists now, and would probably merge (or subsume or be subsumed by) one party or the other.

A good sci fi novel that explores just that is The Spartacus File by Lawrence Watt-Evans.
2618  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Neowin reviews Windows 8 - Leave your pre-conceived notions at the door on: October 24, 2012, 09:42:45 AM
If you're happy with what you have, that's cool and a valid point.  It took me a while to get any machines upgraded to windows 7 because XP works very well for me.  But in terms of people actually taking a look at windows 8, I think that's who the article is aimed at, not those who aren't going to (or willing to) upgrade.  And there's a massive amount of FUD that has preceded this release (similar to Vista).  I think that there are a lot of missteps that are obvious to me (a hybrid OS just doesn't seem like a good idea, and their marketing hasn't helped), but I don't think that this review is truthfully a PR ploy after reading it.  But that's just my opinion, and as to the OS itself, I reserve judgement until after I've tried it.
2619  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Interesting Phishing Email - Seen This? on: October 24, 2012, 09:25:21 AM
They could have compromised his yahoo account.  That would account for them having his name and yours.
2620  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: DOTCOM saga - updates on: October 24, 2012, 09:24:23 AM
When I look at things, I see the technocratic elite using technologies that most people think are only in science fiction. Their arsenal of psychological weapons is extremely powerful. Just watch the next US election for the proof. People will vote for Obomney or Robama, thinking that it makes a difference. And they really believe that it makes a difference. Truly and deeply believe. The ability of the technocratic elite to control people's minds is just, well, mind-blowing.

It does make a difference.  Maybe not in the ways that you'd prefer, or the ways that you are talking about.  But it does make a difference.  On some things I'd agree with your sentiment- they seem the same.  Whether they'll govern the same is an issue for a later date.  But there are real differences on some of the issues, that though not as apocalyptic as the extreme right and left would have their constituents believe.  And these will have ramifications, though not in the areas that are in general talked about.
2621  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: DOTCOM saga - updates on: October 24, 2012, 09:19:02 AM
Dunno...

They said that about:

The Assyrians
  The Egyptians
    The Romans
      The Mongols
        The Muslims
          The Crusaders
            The Ottomans
              The Church (various)
                The Anarchists
                  The Fascists
                    The Communists
                      The Tonton Macoute
                        The Terrorists

                             - and-

  Sundry sovereign national governments (at different times)...


We've been there. Done that. Wash. Rinse. Spin dry. Repeat as needed.

It's not hope on my part.  (I'm one of this planet's most died-in-the-wool cynics! Thmbsup)

Vespero mundi expectando* after all.

We don't have to like it. It's just the way it works. Grin

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*In case you're not classically inclined: The evening of the world is to be expected.



Very well stated, and I agree with the sentiment. smiley
2622  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Neowin reviews Windows 8 - Leave your pre-conceived notions at the door on: October 24, 2012, 09:16:57 AM
Why? I like my notions better than a corporate product.

It seems that what the reviewer is saying (after reading the review) is that if you put your preconceived notions aside and give it a chance, you'll see that it's not what everyone thinks.  Not sure about the conclusions he draws, but the statement is quite valid.
2623  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: DOTCOM saga - updates on: October 23, 2012, 03:05:45 PM
Just curious Renegade... why do you refer to him by his birth name when he legitimately took his stepfather's name?  I'm sure there must be subtext (knowing you), but I don't get it...
2624  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / TrueTwit, and why I didn't even try it on: October 23, 2012, 09:56:38 AM
So, today I was going through a message from Twitter and decided to follow a few people.  And I was met with an image that I hadn't seen before:

[attach=1]

This seemed like DM spam, even though it had the twitter handle of one of the people I was trying to follow (someone from DC) in the DM.  So I did some searching on TrueTwit, and came upon a really good review/analysis of the service which was enough to put me off of even validating.

I figured considering how good the review was, and how it influenced me/saved me time, I would post a link here.  In summary the points that influenced me were the rating system (it seems very sketchy), the DM spam, and the fact that their pay service seems partially driven by the inconvenience of their service as used by others (though the coach it in terms of the convenience afforded by the service).
2625  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: People Turning on Trolls? on: October 22, 2012, 11:38:14 PM
You guys are reminding me of a quote from a Canadian Prime Minister:

Quote from: John Diefenbaker
Freedom is the right to be wrong, not the right to do wrong.

Thanks!  I quite like that quote!
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