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2551  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Social media icon set, including one for DC on: October 16, 2012, 10:12:09 PM
Nice tweaks Edvard  thumbs up

agreed... I like the second one (codysplash) better smiley
2552  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: What A Different World Than What I Grew Up In :( on: October 16, 2012, 10:10:42 PM
Some laws have been added to the books since then so that case might be handled differently today if it came up today. But even so, it's different in that the harassment was primarily conducted by Lori Drew. Which is different than posting some things on the web and then see other people go into "Vanna White mode" on the victim.

I'll have to do some digging. I'm not sure you can be held accountable for everything that follows from something you said except under very extraordinary circumstances. Even advocates of vigilante action are seldom charged in cases where somebody took them at their word and actually went out and killed somebody. Some prosecutors have tried, albeit unsuccessfully so far. At least with the cases I'm familiar with.
Incitement perhaps?  The same thing as if your words to a person cause an action?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_v._Ohio

http://www.law.cornell.ed...USSC_CR_0395_0444_ZS.html

Of course, correlation would have to be proven, which would be problematic at best...

There does seems to be a feeling that blanket abridgment of free speech (just because somebody might "do something" because of it) doesn't seem to fly with the pubic or the courts. (Something I agree with BTW. I much prefer a surgical strike over carpet bombing when it comes to drafting criminal law.)

Well, I think there's a difference between reporting on what someone has done, and a call to act, or the supply of the means to act.  I do agree that abrogation of free speech is something that should be off the table.  But how do you draw the line?  What you say crosses the line, I don't... and vice versa.  It's not clear cut.  And truthfully, I don't trust our legislative branch to decide at this point.  I've become more (not less) cynical as time has gone on.  And in the case of our legislature, sometimes less is best.
2553  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Windows 8 prices seem to have been announced during period to 31st January on: October 16, 2012, 09:56:37 PM
^ Thanks.  I might actually do that.
2554  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Outing the Internet's worst troll. on: October 16, 2012, 09:55:25 PM
Did he do any more than what I said, or what was said in the article?



Here's one of his:

Warning: Graphic, NSFW, VDA

http://metareddit.com/r/PicsOfDeadKids

Very sick.  Very very sick.  And no, I wouldn't cross the street to piss on someone that did that if they were on fire.  But, no.  Still doesn't meet my definition of evil.  Just sick and twisted.

Now if he posted up stuff like that about things that he had done, or did any of that stuff to the kids, then yeah.  Or (and I read this recently about him) if what he said was true about what he did to his step-daughter, even if she was of 'legal age', then yeah.  But just reposting stuff that is around is sick and perverse.
2555  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Social media icon set, including one for DC on: October 16, 2012, 09:50:00 PM
Very cool!  I recently found the site and subscribed (it has some really good themes), but this is great!  I just had to make some, and I like these better!
2556  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: What A Different World Than What I Grew Up In :( on: October 16, 2012, 04:18:33 PM
AFAIK, there is no law that says it's a crime to do or say something which results in another person committing suicide.

Actually, someone has been convicted of the same, though I'm not sure what laws they were tried under... hmm...

http://www.metro.co.uk/ne...lty-over-girls-death-leap

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...nited_States_v._Lori_Drew

Neither of those were what I was looking for... but apparently felony harassment is a real charge that can be levied.
2557  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Outing the Internet's worst troll. on: October 16, 2012, 04:11:15 PM
Legal and regulated properly would leave far less casualties.

@SJ - Sounds more like a conclusion masquerading as a premise to me, but ok Wink

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Bad yes.  Reprehensible yes.  Evil?  Well, we have a different definition of that.  I leave that to the people who do more than troll on the internet.  But the differences in definition are fine.  But when someone says that the people that shot the Pakistani girl were evil and you lump him in with it... well, you have too wide a spectrum there in my opinion.

Really? Spend some time carefully examining and contemplating the concept of evil and you might come away with a very different understanding. Seriously.  smiley

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Use of certain words in hyperbole IMO reduces the effectiveness of them when they are accurately used.  Racism, bigotry, homophobia, rape... they are used too commonly now, which water the terms down.  And IMO, this is a prime example of hyperbole.

Wraith, my good man, you know I think the world of you. But I don't understand where you're coming from with the above. But so be it. If you can't see (or won't allow yourself to see) the difference between what is commonly considered 'trolling' and what this guy has been doing...well...I'll leave you to ponder effectiveness and accuracy of definition to your heart's content.

For my part, I'll just sit back and smile a little smile, knowing somebody finally belled this particular cat.

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Note: Did you mean Use of certain words in exaggeration rather than hyperbole? Because I think you might be misusing the word "hyperbole" in the above. Hyperbole is done with the conscious effort to exaggerate rather than persuade - and is not presented with the intent that it to be taken literally. At least from my understanding of the definition.   smiley

Well, I think that words sometimes change in use- especially in the english language.  And from what I've seen it used- yes, hyperbole can mean intentional exaggeration not to be taken literally.  It can also (and what I meant) be taken to mean exaggerated in rhetoric, i.e. with the intent to persuade.  See this definition which highlights both.

And posting offensive pictures and subjects on the internet, especially those not produced and gathered from the same?  At least unless there are other sources.  They were truly offensive, and teenagers should not be sexualized in that manner (but that's a matter for parenting to remove the source- not taking the they deserved it approach so often taken, but I've seen people [and dress] that just shouldn't have been out there- you sexualize yourself, and some perverts are not going to take it as this girl just doesn't know better, but do exactly what they did)., but do you have sources that he did worse?  Nothing in that article was anything other than a creepy old man seeking attention and power, not evil.

Did he do any more than what I said, or what was said in the article?
2558  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: What A Different World Than What I Grew Up In :( on: October 16, 2012, 02:09:29 PM
Okay... So can anyone cite an actual example of an outed cyber bully that really was tortured to death in the (digital) town square??

Seriously. Is the true crowd reaction actual, or assumed? ...The masses easily get bored (and move on) in a week I'd assert.

I forget the guy's name now... but the guy about the controllers.  And that was considered a 'win'.  But it was a kangaroo court of the masses.  The extent... well, he did bring it on himself.  But... really?

And on the other side, can anyone quote to me an example where the said example made works?
2559  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Outing the Internet's worst troll. on: October 16, 2012, 02:08:21 PM
Legal and regulated properly would leave far less casualties.

True... but who regulates?  Haven't they already done so by fiat?  It's just that no one wants to have the conversation, because it's a political hot potato, and being in the shadows makes it more so.  So in the meantime, I think the point about respect of commitment and others applies...
2560  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: What A Different World Than What I Grew Up In :( on: October 16, 2012, 01:41:06 PM
Exposing a bully does exactly that.

There are constructive means to do so, and unconstructive means to do so.  The internet is neither forgiving, nor discriminate, nor united.  Justice is what is deserved in these situations- but an exact level applied, not going around 'nuking ants'.  Exposing these things on the internet at large is the equivalent of 'using a nuke on an ant' in my opinion.  Nothing good comes of it, and nothing is learned.  It's a lot like the death penalty- it's supposed to be preventative, but instead, it's purely punitive.  People *don't* think about these things before they do them because (a) they think they're smarter, or a special case, or (b) something else is wrong with the person.  So why put them in the public stockade and cut their head off other than for a spectacle?  The information and evidence needs to be put into the right hands to be taken care of systematically, and legally.  Vigilantism only propagates the problem to a different stage, IMO.

It allows others to learn by (negative) example..

Maybe that's the purpose, but it does pretty bad job.
2561  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Outing the Internet's worst troll. on: October 16, 2012, 01:13:48 PM
A police friend of mine once told me they busted a guy with a ring and a baby seat in the back.  That's low.
Really, why? ...Maybe he wanted to try something that his wife didn't. Is he really obligated to be stuck eternally wondering what it would be like? Why is that fair?

Because he agreed to it?  And there's another uninvolved person whose life is totally affected by his choice.  If he gets something and passes it on to her... if both of them die of some infectious disease and leave the child alone... does that still fall in the realm of fair?

You don't have to get married- that's your prerogative, and many people are choosing that these days since marriage isn't such an imperative.  And you can get a divorce... that's becoming easier and easier.

But if you choose to commit, you should choose to treat that commitment (and the person you're committed to) with a modicum of decency and basic humanity, and not go around lying behind the person's back.  And before the whole "maybe it was agreed upon" argument comes up, he was begging to be let go with a warning so his wife wouldn't find out... so yes, the whole lying thing was present and in full effect.

Sorry. Doing what this person did is plain evil. And like most things truly evil, it's amazing how utterly pointless and banal it is in its practice and intent.

Bad yes.  Reprehensible yes.  Evil?  Well, we have a different definition of that.  I leave that to the people who do more than troll on the internet.  But the differences in definition are fine.  But when someone says that the people that shot the Pakistani girl were evil and you lump him in with it... well, you have too wide a spectrum there in my opinion.

Use of certain words in hyperbole IMO reduces the effectiveness of them when they are accurately used.  Racism, bigotry, homophobia, rape... they are used too commonly now, which water the terms down.  And IMO, this is a prime example of hyperbole.

anyone as is consenting

It's an ugly business. Until you see up close how it actually operates, you have no idea just how ugly it can be.

I totally agree with this.  It definitely doesn't just need to be legalized- but regulated in some way (which legalization would help) to get rid of some of the seamier practices that go along with it.  40 uses the example of a 14 year old... but the same thing applies to a 25 year old with two kids and no other way to make ends meet worried about offending her pimp.  Despair is a big part of that part of the industry that makes it as ugly as 40 says, and then some.
2562  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Outing the Internet's worst troll. on: October 16, 2012, 10:55:02 AM
^ Pretty much what I think.  Other than the bit about prostitution.  Well, prostitution that doesn't involve pimps.  I don't hold the same disdain- they're people like any other, and the negative connotations I have are associated with johns that have other obligations.  A police friend of mine once told me they busted a guy with a ring and a baby seat in the back.  That's low.
2563  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Portable alternative for Cathy (cataloging freeware) that runs on Win7 64 bit? on: October 16, 2012, 08:08:47 AM
Hooooooraaaaaaaay!!!! Cathy works again on my x64 Win7 machine!!!!  Thmbsup  onfire dance

The solution: removing the registry entries created by Cathy (I deleted this HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\rOva and everything beneath)

That's why it did work when I logged in with another account. (HKEY_CURRENT_USER)
D'oh!  I thought after you said that the permissions didn't work... then what about the registry?  But most portable apps don't use the registry, either, so I discarded that in favor of permissions. *headdesk*

Glad you got it working!
2564  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Outing the Internet's worst troll. on: October 15, 2012, 10:10:26 PM
I don't understand why people defend the troll's free speech but condemn the gawker author's free speech of outing him. huh

As I said in one of my posts on the subject elsewhere, everyone is responsible for their own use of the right of free speech, and the consequences thereof.  Truthfully, I don't agree with either- him doing it, or their capitalizing on it.  The writer says that it was "to bring it to light" like it was a charitable act, when it really was to make a scoop and get hits.  Just like his was to get attention, basically.  People compare this to someone outing a sexual predator that hasn't been punished or something, when comparing the two acts is comparing apples and oranges.  Both acts were self-serving, truthfully.
2565  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Outing the Internet's worst troll. on: October 15, 2012, 09:57:38 PM
He doesn't seem to be taking the hang tough and screw you approach.  If you read the stuff he posts on reddit, he says that the whole thing is his fault.  He just says he wouldn't change anything other than the trusting people stuff.  The stuff he posts is pretty abhorrent, and I don't agree with it.  But I don't think its worthy of a witch hunt...
2566  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Outing the Internet's worst troll. on: October 15, 2012, 07:59:37 PM
Called It.  He's done.
2567  Special User Sections / N.A.N.Y. 2013 / Re: NANY 2013 Pledge: Text Merge from CSV and Template text files. on: October 15, 2012, 02:49:12 PM
^ Some people just don't want Java on their machines.  Not saying that there's anything wrong with it.. but some people say the same about .NET, or even the VBRuntime back in the day.  It's a decision, like any other...
2568  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Portable alternative for Cathy (cataloging freeware) that runs on Win7 64 bit? on: October 15, 2012, 10:45:53 AM
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Does Cathy only write to the local folder?
I would think so, since it is portable.

Portable only means that it doesn't need a specific location present at run time, not that it doesn't use another location temporarily.  It's just that if it works for a different user, it seems that permissions is the right path to go down.
2569  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Portable alternative for Cathy (cataloging freeware) that runs on Win7 64 bit? on: October 15, 2012, 09:12:14 AM
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Have you tried making a new user account and testing from there?
I have tried that and guess what: Cathy works as expected for that new user account. (location= C:\tools\catalog\cathy)
Of course that is no workable solution...

It proves - once again - that Cathy can work under Win7 x64 without problems.

Now, what does that mean?
And how could I make Cathy work under my own account?

That does seem to point to permissions problems.  Does Cathy only write to the local folder?  Is there possibly another folder that you don't have access to?  I'd think not... just going over the possible problems.  If not, though, I'd suggest checking the security for the folder Cathy is running in, and set specific permissions for your user on that folder rather than depending on the default user permissions.  Also check to make sure what groups your user is in to make sure that your user groups are what you think they should be.
2570  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Outing the Internet's worst troll. on: October 14, 2012, 03:11:39 PM
Going back to Brutsch - considering some of the pictures he's posted, I think losing his job may be the least of his worries considering how so much of his antics involved photos of minors. With the publicity that's bound to ensue once the main newswires start picking up on this story, somebody in some official capacity is going to be forced to consider charges and possible prosecution. Be interesting to see if it's the feds or some state that goes first. (It's an election year. Spanking somebody like this guy makes for good campaign copy.)

But that's assuming somebody doesn't come gunning for him first and make it all very simple.

I don't disagree that someone might *try*, but as long as (a) the photos are not in the child pornography range and (b) they were obtained from the sources he says (facebook, twitter, etc), then it's not going to fly.  From my understanding, they were sexualized, but not explicit.  And considering what I see on facebook, twitter, and even at malls, that's not going to hold up.  And truthfully, I don't think that either side is pristine in that regard, i.e. adults shouldn't be looking at tweens in that way, but (and I know this is not considered PC), they shouldn't be dressing in that way either.
2571  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Outing the Internet's worst troll. on: October 14, 2012, 11:38:51 AM
In my home state it might not be that easy unless you could show it affected the person's ability to perform their job.

Is your state an exception to the At-Will employment laws?  It says he's in Texas, so he's pretty much screwed.
2572  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Outing the Internet's worst troll. on: October 14, 2012, 10:44:50 AM
But the thing about this 'outing' (not saying whether bad or good) is that if he works for a financial services company, and someone truly outed him (i.e. said Michael Brutsch if XX company), he'd most likely lose his job.  Its happened before...
2573  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: How Many Planets Are There? on: October 13, 2012, 10:30:27 PM
By my definition, 10.  Pluto and his lil bro count.   Wink  Cool

I'm with you.
2574  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Kids E-Book Ideas? on: October 13, 2012, 10:29:37 PM
I will say, that the thing I like more about the kindle as compared to the nook is that your account supports anything you send to it, so you don't have the whole syncing thing to get non-kindle books on it.  That said, like you said it doesn't support epub and the Nook does.  Calibre is apparently good enough to make up for that, though I've never used it with my daughter's Nook.
2575  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Six Strikes Plan - U.S. on: October 12, 2012, 07:24:51 PM
That link is there too... not a big deal, but just wanted to point you to the discussion.
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