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2551  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Ubuntu will now have Amazon ads pre-installed on: September 23, 2012, 02:15:54 PM
No, I really wonder.

Don't we already know?  There would be an uproar that would involve lawyers making a lot more money, nothing getting done, other than in the end, it would have to be removed.
2552  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Directory Opus 10 ... Light! on: September 23, 2012, 02:15:02 PM
Yes.. thanks!  I didn't get a chance to read before, just marked it.  There are some good things there... just getting the time to explore them.  *sigh*
2553  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Ubuntu will now have Amazon ads pre-installed on: September 23, 2012, 02:14:20 PM
Interesting. I wonder what would happen if Microsoft did that.

You forgot the sarcastic smiley smiley
2554  Other Software / Developer's Corner / Re: WiX Installer - not really a review on: September 23, 2012, 01:37:52 PM
Shouldn't be too hard writing a WiX-config-generating tool that takes out the mind-numbingness? :-) - I think one of the developers at the company where I did my internship did something along those lines.
Yeah... I could do something along those lines.  But you know how these annoyances are- they're annoyances only at the time you're using the tool, and the tool isn't used that often, so you'd rather use your time elsewhere.  embarassed

I've always found that .msi installers are slow and sucky... are the installers generated by WiX any better?

Depends on what you mean by slow and sucky.  My needs are pretty light.  The fact that it integrates into VS and gave me control was enough to make my day.  Basically, everything I did with the installer could have been done with a simple xcopy, and it was only 10MB of stuff, so not really representative (also why I called this 'not really a review').
2555  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Directory Opus 10 ... Light! on: September 23, 2012, 01:34:37 PM
That's pretty cool.  I know that I'm not using DO to its fullest potential, but there's just so much there!
2556  Other Software / Developer's Corner / Re: WiX Installer - not really a review on: September 23, 2012, 10:58:45 AM
Thankfully, our installers at work are not that type of thing since internally we just use shadow copy and two bootstrappers - one keeps files from being locked, and the other runs the installer for internal dependencies before the app is ever run.  But I know what a nightmare that can be.
2557  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Directory Opus 10 ... Light! on: September 23, 2012, 10:56:20 AM
What is flat view and sync?  (I know I don't use half of what dopus is capable of...)
2558  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Directory Opus 10 ... Light! on: September 23, 2012, 10:12:23 AM
Has anyone else heard about Directory Opus 10 Light?  I'm still on 9 because there was no compelling reason to upgrade to 10 and it costs so much for the number of computers (all my own) that I use it on.  Looking at Light vs. Pro, I see that I'm still stuck with 9.  The inability to get the FTP plugin and replace explorer knocks that option out of the water for me. 

But someone else might benefit from it.
2559  Other Software / Developer's Corner / Re: WiX Installer - not really a review on: September 23, 2012, 10:02:29 AM
I formerly used Inno Setup years ago, and it was quite good.  I was just incredibly impressed by the integration of WiX into VS, and how transparent and straightforward it was.  Again, the need to put the files in manually is incredibly mind numbing and I'm surprised there's not a VS extension to take that pain away.  Then again... I didn't look.  Hmm...
2560  Other Software / Developer's Corner / Re: WiX Installer - not really a review on: September 23, 2012, 12:37:49 AM
What I look for in an installer is (a) control, and (b) ease of use.

I don't like the VS Setup projects because of a lack of control.  It makes a lot of assumptions for you, and wants you to install the windows way.  Inno setup is pretty easy to use- but I don't like it because of the use of yet another tool.  That's why I liked WiX- it was easy to use, and I had control.  Basically, all I wanted to do was show a license, get a path, and do an xcopy.  The only thing that would have hit it out the park for me is if you could point it to a directory structure and it grab all of the files.  But copying and pasting one line for each file was trivial, if mind-numbing.  And it's in the same solution as the rest of my solution, and I can just build it from VS after I build my solution.  If I had more requirements for an installer, it might be a different story.  But not having advanced requirements, it was just enough for me.

Inno Setup is good.  NSIS was also.  And I'd recommend either (as NSIS is still useful as of now... but I'd go with Inno because of the fact that it's in development).  There are a few that have free options for commercial installers- but I haven't actually used any of them.  With them being at heart commercial, I figured I'd stay away, not wanting to be in the midst of using it when they decided to no longer support the free version.
2561  Other Software / Developer's Corner / WiX Installer - not really a review on: September 22, 2012, 11:50:16 PM
So, in a former life, my title at a company was 'Configuration Engineer'.  What that meant at that particular company was that I did the work that developers didn't want to do, i.e burning CDs/DVDs, Maintaining version control systems, and writing installers.  Since writing installers at the time was painful, once I paid my dues in that position, I didn't want to write installers anymore.  All of my software has been zip it up, and let the user unzip it.  If I needed something done, I did it on first run.

I decided that for my latest effort, I wanted to get back into writing installers.  I still have my old unzip it mentality and have a distribution just in a zip file, but I also wrote an installer.  I looked at a few of the ones I remembered: NSIS (development stalled), Wise (discontinued), InstallAware (way too expensive), InstallShield (ditto)... I was about to go with Inno Setup, but then I saw WiX - Windows Installer XML.  I was somewhat skeptical of an XML based installer system, but decided to try it.

After downloading and installing, I used a tutorial.  I didn't walk through using their sample, but instead tried my own software.  It was a pain putting in entries for all of the files that I used manually.  But, I have to admit, it was pretty straightforward.  Within an hour, I had an installer- but no UI.  Then I found out that adding the UI was pretty painless.  The came the realization that it had installed into Visual studio- and I could create a project for it from the IDE.  I was glad to have learned everything behind the compiler and linker- but that made it a lot easier.

I'd give WiX a thumbs up to anyone looking to make an installer- and a thumbs way up for anyone using Visual studio and needing to make an installer.  It was straightforward, and just works!
2562  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Ubuntu will now have Amazon ads pre-installed on: September 22, 2012, 11:36:15 PM
^ That's cool.  That's what I try to do whenever I use affiliate links.
2563  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Google says goobye to Internet Explorer 8 on: September 22, 2012, 10:48:36 PM
Would the official end of support for XP be a big enough event to force those kinds of agencies to make the necessary changes? As long as it's "merely corporate bickering with the users" vs versions, life trundles along. But I'd ... uh ... hope that the security-conscious agencies might see a wee little problem with producing data that requires, by a couple steps of logical reasoning, to use an OS that officially has no more security updates as of X date.

I'm sure they'll change by that time.  But as of right now, XP hasn't reached end of life.  Neither has IE 7 nor 8.  So because of a quick turnaround on versions- quicker than IE was updating when they made that policy- they are discontinuing support for a viable browser.  This isn't so much serving as self-serving.  They are very much aware of this.  So that means that anyone on XP will have to switch.  Not saying anything one way or another about the browsers.  It just smacks of the same thing we saw with the whole go dark for ie thing.  Elitism.
2564  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Ubuntu will now have Amazon ads pre-installed on: September 22, 2012, 10:45:25 PM
I'm going to hedge my wording here in case I am blundering, but I think at least some links aren't just sending affiliate info, they're sending identifiable user info of various kinds along with it.

(Peeks out from under tinfoil hat, wating for the time to verify it with facts and so remove the hat.)

Affiliate links send the affiliate info of the linker.  Sort of like those links that people send with Dropbox.

I should clarify my response also- if someone is forthcoming that the link has affiliate info, then if it's useful and I buy something as a direct result of the link, then I won't remove.  If someone is less than forthcoming, or I buy something that is not a direct result of the link... bye bye affiliate link!
2565  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Google says goobye to Internet Explorer 8 on: September 22, 2012, 12:27:18 PM
There are other examples, but I think that gets the point across.
You've listed one specific issue where there's - supposedly - some IE requirements going on (I haven't had the misfortune of dealing with SharePoint, I pity you smiley). Lots of stuff doesn't require IE because of crappy ActiveX controls, but because of jscript vs. javascript or DOM differences (or, in the old days, MS-Java specifics) - the kind of stuff there's really no excuse for.
Not supposedly - Sharepoint just won't work under anything but IE.
I guess that depends on the level of sharepoint support you want - the (horrible!) office integration crap might require IE, but basic site functionality works fine (as "fine" as you can manage to get with sharepoint  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes) with other browsers - at least the school intranet system some years back did. Of course the site as a whole was a catastrophe of sharepoint dimensions, so was eventually scrapped again in favor of something simpler, that actually worked.
We don't have office integration... just using basics like document storage and documentation page (we have over a decade, and most likely more of documentation in sharepoint, so it's definitely not going away anytime soon).  It just doesn't work in anything other than IE.  I don't know the specifics why...but believe me, I've tried.

Or the need to have an embedded browser- it's easier to just embed IE- and they're using IE specific stuff.
And I'm kinda glad when that bites people in the behind, since embedded browsers is almost always a horrible end-user experience. There's a (very!) few pieces of software where this makes sense, but mostly it's just a very very bad idea. (I remember a certain antivirus package that decided using embedded IE for it's user interface was a good idea... yeah.)

In our case, it's a necessity.  We have documents from the SEC and other filings type documents that don't display correctly in anything but IE.  And since the application has to do with extracting data exactly as it appears in the documents, then mapping it to standard data in the database, and seeing where those numbers match up with the calculations, and then being able to go from our site (which doesn't require IE anymore thank goodness) back to the documents.  We're trapped in a world we never made.  And we can't dictate to those firms how to report, and since the SEC and doesn't standardize EDGAR documents, there's nothing we can do other than try to deal with what's there.
2566  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Google says goobye to Internet Explorer 8 on: September 22, 2012, 10:45:16 AM
There are other examples, but I think that gets the point across.
You've listed one specific issue where there's - supposedly - some IE requirements going on (I haven't had the misfortune of dealing with SharePoint, I pity you smiley). Lots of stuff doesn't require IE because of crappy ActiveX controls, but because of jscript vs. javascript or DOM differences (or, in the old days, MS-Java specifics) - the kind of stuff there's really no excuse for.

Not supposedly - Sharepoint just won't work under anything but IE.  And there's a *lot* of sharepoint out there- I know a few people who made their living as a Sharepoint developer (ick).  If you code open platforms for a specific browser, that's one thing.  But I know quite a few things that are limited specifically because of ActiveX controls.  Or the need to have an embedded browser- it's easier to just embed IE- and they're using IE specific stuff.  And this doesn't just go away.  It would be different if newer versions of the browser supported older operating systems, but they don't.  So the 2 generations is pretty disingenuous when people can't upgrade for other reasons, and have to use IE.  Basically it's 'stuck on XP and have to use IE?  You're part of the 47%!'
2567  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Ubuntu will now have Amazon ads pre-installed on: September 22, 2012, 09:52:36 AM
On a somewhat related topic: am I the only one that purposefully removes affiliate links from URLs before purchasing things, unless I deliberately want to support a particular person?

Nope.
2568  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Google says goobye to Internet Explorer 8 on: September 22, 2012, 09:50:53 AM
because of retarded internal apps coded by slopmonkeys
Why blame the coders for the requirements of management?  That seems somewhat ... wrong.
Because the coders wrote stuff that breaks in all other browsers, instead of Doing Things Right, with some abstraction layer for IE support?

Nope.  Doesn't hold water.  We had a requirement to use Sharepoint for internal applications for tracking and document management and other things.  We railed against it because Sharepoint sucks- but we had to get paid.  Eventually, we were able to get them to move to a google platform and to TFS for source control and scrum... but that was eventually.  We still have many years worth of baggage in sharepoint, and the ROI for changing it isn't enough.

There are other examples, but I think that gets the point across.
2569  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Google says goobye to Internet Explorer 8 on: September 22, 2012, 09:29:13 AM
because of retarded internal apps coded by slopmonkeys

Why blame the coders for the requirements of management?  That seems somewhat ... wrong.
2570  Special User Sections / DC Website Help and Extras / Re: DonationCoder.com on an iPad is Kinda Weird on: September 21, 2012, 11:34:13 PM
I was seeing this since Firefox 12. Also occurs in all browsers on the iPad.

Not all browsers.  I don't see it on my iPad 3 using Chrome, iCabMobile, or Safari.
2571  Other Software / DC Gamer Club / Re: Request for Help from Skyrim Players on: September 21, 2012, 11:09:40 PM
If anyone is interested in the pre-release, PM me.  Only DC supporting members for now.

Images and help file for the latest version is available at http://www.wraith808.com/...e/skyrimcharactermanager/ if anyone is interested. (no ribbon now- well, almost no ribbon now)
2572  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: sublime text: some innovative text editor! on: September 21, 2012, 06:26:28 PM
^ Agreed.  Perhaps he didn't have it up before they attempted to purchase, assuming that anyone interested would know such.
2573  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: sublime text: some innovative text editor! on: September 21, 2012, 04:05:25 PM
That's an interesting (if unfortunate) story... 

I was surprised to see the rewardli deal, since Sublime Text's developer seemed to historically have little interest in discounting the software. Turns out that that still seems to be the case.

It's also stated clearly on the pricing faq (the part about the volume licensing).  Not sure if after the debacle or before.  But I can respect it.  Not discounting the product lets people know that it will always be the same price.  It's a valid tactic, especially if the software is worth it, which I think it is.  I'd prefer to have a discount, but it's worth it no matter what, especially with his licensing terms.
2574  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: sublime text: some innovative text editor! on: September 21, 2012, 02:20:33 PM
Sublime Text 2 can be purchased for a discounted price here: http://www.rewardli.com/o...lime-text-editor-discount

Not a valid link - at least not anymore.
2575  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Kids E-Book Ideas? on: September 21, 2012, 12:30:17 PM
Oh ... I forget how old things are smiley 

Infocomw used to be an interactive fiction maker that made purely text adventure games for computers.  They have some classics with some truly great writing and great puzzles mixed into an insanely frustrating but incredibly entertaining and rewarding experience.

Their works include Enchanter, Sorcerer, Spellbreaker, Wishbringer and of course the series that started everything Zork I, Zork II, and Zork III.  There are several others... my favorites are Wishbringer, Starfall, and Planetfall.
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