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26  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: ‘Cyborg Unplug’ Is a Personal Jammer Against Drones, Glassholes on: September 11, 2014, 07:08:58 AM
But... what if they aren't filming?  They're trying to stop anyone from wearing/using them.  Just because there is the 'possibility'.  Just for one possible use.  It's a device that can do a *lot* of things... and this one use is the one that they're trying to get the whole thing thrown away because of.  And it's funny that most of the people on the other side of the issue, are those that are usually for the freedom.

Seems pretty simple to me.  It takes an active use in a manner that offends/is an imposition to others before anyone else has a right to step in.
27  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: A warning to anybody who is looking to purchase a VPS. on: September 10, 2014, 11:25:15 PM
A choice like a host has to be googled before using, the price may be one hint as to quality but more expensive doesn't equate to good either.

I don't even trust google.  I trust word of mouth from people using it... and policies on things like money back and such.  If the implication was that I was saying that liquidweb was good just because of price, that was the wrong impression I was giving.  I pay my money because they're a good service that I trust and have been with for years.
28  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: ‘Cyborg Unplug’ Is a Personal Jammer Against Drones, Glassholes on: September 10, 2014, 11:23:48 PM
No... That is not acceptable. And once it gets explained to said errant fool it is going to come down to a simple question of which one of us is about to use what method to turn off that camera ... because the camera is about to get turned off.

Like I said, it's not alright to film people without permission.  But by the same token, we can also not be in the same area, i.e. one or the other remove ourselves.  I think that both extreme sides of the argument are just plain wrong.

The friends I know do just what is intended... use recording among friends and family at certain events.  But that doesn't mean that they don't wear them at other times... and that seems to be what people get paranoid about- even though they are doing nothing wrong.  No filming, no nothing.  How is that right?
29  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: The One Word Game! on: September 10, 2014, 11:20:49 PM
Bad
30  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Automatic shortcut creation for items in a folder. on: September 10, 2014, 01:34:20 PM
One thing about using the filesystemwatcher to be aware of is that it loses connection to the watched folder after having been up for a while- most especially on network or mapped folders- and that's a known limitation.
31  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: ‘Cyborg Unplug’ Is a Personal Jammer Against Drones, Glassholes on: September 10, 2014, 01:32:24 PM
And not all people that use glass are using it inappropriately... I'd dare say, most of the ones that I know are not using it in any way that would intrude on anyone else's privacy.

Given the potential for complications if one was to show up in the wrong persons video diaries ... I would be in favor of jamming the feed. Because if you're filming me without my knowledge/consent...then you're violating my privacy.

You're filmed everywhere you go pretty much.  It's not as bad as the UK, but one of the first things the police do is to look for banks, ATMs, and Convenience stores in the region near any crime because of that.  I think it's bad form to actively film someone without their consent, but again, the bulk of the people with Glass that I know don't do that.  And I thought about getting it for development purposes, but it's way too much for what it does.
32  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: A warning to anybody who is looking to purchase a VPS. on: September 10, 2014, 01:29:59 PM
Low end Talk for a bit is that the low end VPS market is littered with sketchy vendors.  There are vendors who provide what they say they will; but there are a lot who don't, who are fly-by-nights, or are simply in over their heads.

Low end VPS is a real buyer beware situation.

That's why I pay my money and am happy to do it.  I recommend LiquidWeb to anyone that asks... but they are definitely not lower end, though they were a bit more so when I started with them.
33  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: The One Word Game! on: September 10, 2014, 11:38:41 AM
nothing
34  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: The One Word Game! on: September 10, 2014, 10:31:18 AM
hydrogenated
35  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: ‘Cyborg Unplug’ Is a Personal Jammer Against Drones, Glassholes on: September 10, 2014, 08:45:22 AM
It seems useless other than the illegal in the US part, i.e. disconnecting anyone from any network.  You can stop people from connecting to your network by the expedient of wi-fi security.  And not all people that use glass are using it inappropriately... I'd dare say, most of the ones that I know are not using it in any way that would intrude on anyone else's privacy.
36  Other Software / Developer's Corner / Re: Markdown (and what do you do when a community outgrows your contribution) on: September 09, 2014, 01:19:43 PM
Did they try to take the name?

It would be similar to someone setting up a website very similar to DC and calling it "Super DonationCoder".  Whether or not that would be illegal, it wouldn't be right to do without Mouser's permission.  And even if Mouser took DC in a direction that many people didn't agree with, it wouldn't be right.

That comparison is pretty specious.  But Ok... taking it there...

So what about Github Flavored Markdown?  Or MultiMarkdown?  Or any of the other various flavors?  They neither requested nor got anything tacit or otherwise in the way of approval.  And... I could go through linking a whole lot of conversations from very long ago, in which they've tried to get Gruber onboard, and stated that they weren't trying to usurp anything from him.

But just as with discussions of the past of CommonMark, this particular discussion has run its course, I think.  Onward!  Thmbsup
37  Other Software / Developer's Corner / Re: Markdown (and what do you do when a community outgrows your contribution) on: September 09, 2014, 11:50:55 AM
Open sourcing something doesn't necessarily mean that the name of a project is up for grabs.

Did they try to take the name?  It looked like they made another variation on it to me...?
38  Other Software / Developer's Corner / Re: Markdown (and what do you do when a community outgrows your contribution) on: September 09, 2014, 09:50:01 AM
It's not a license... and several people have used it without prior permission.  And if you follow the thread of posts, they asked.  And he never gave a response.

Where I come from, if someone asks you if they can take something from you, and you do not give a reply, it doesn't automatically mean 'yes'. Neither does allowing someone to take something from you automatically allow anyone to do so.

But don't get me wrong, I don't disagree with you at all. The lack of cooperation on Gruber's part still surprises me. Especially since all they wanted was his consent (well, and the name).

They weren't trying to take anything from him... that's the thread of thought that I don't understand.

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I do not want stewardship over Markdown. I want it to be a viable, community maintained open source project since millions of people rely on it. That is what open source is supposed to mean.

He made Markdown.pl open source.  Then he applied this random license to the open source license.  And no one is calling him on that.  You can't have it both ways... and this is what comes of that.  He even made the rather uninformed quote because of the licensing- "just because Markdown has a great community doesn't make it a community project."

I think one of the large things that should come out of this for developers is to *think* before you license, and understand the ramifications and be OK with it down the line.  Or... don't make it open source.
39  Other Software / Developer's Corner / Re: Markdown (and what do you do when a community outgrows your contribution) on: September 09, 2014, 08:44:31 AM
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And that's what they did in the end after he finally made it clear that he wouldn't allow the name to be used under any circumstances.  That's after telling them that he might allow pedantic or strict markdown... which both don't convey what is being done at all. 
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Well, the Markdown license states that the name “Markdown” may only be used with specific prior written permission. So choosing a different name right from the start, while most certainly not changing Gruber's opinion about the whole endeavor, would maybe have led to less negative reactions from some parts of the community.

It's not a license... and several people have used it without prior permission.  And if you follow the thread of posts, they asked.  And he never gave a response.  It's also open source... and he inserted closed permission type license into an open source license.  It just doesn't work that way.  Though while he attempted to wield it as such... and has indeed tried to negatively affect certain initiatives as if it were such, he in all probability (never can tell with judges) would have no legal ground to stand on.  You might argue moral or ethical grounds.  But since the licensed code itself had ambiguities and bugs... and when pressed on them as part of this initiative he said there were no bugs- then after CommonMark was released, he said he might go back to address some 'problems'- I'd argue that he already gave up the high ground on that one.

I even think that if they had branded as they are now... he would have still phrased it as they were taking his work.

But, that's neither here nor there.  They did change it, and the historical bit will very likely fade into the ether, probably faster than if they'd taken this approach to begin with.
40  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: The One Word Game! on: September 08, 2014, 11:02:24 PM
Ironhide
41  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Switzerland-based ProtonMail, yet another secure email service on: September 08, 2014, 08:04:13 PM
Well, after getting setup... I see that this is not meant as your primary e-mail.  At least not at 100MB and 1000 messages/month...?

Considering how many people actually use encrypted mail as their primary... :shrug:

That said, yeah it doesn't seem like a whole lot, although I doubt I get more than 300 emails a month from my regular email, and I'm signed up to at least 5 subscriptions, plus Facebook and G+ notifications.  Maybe 5 messages a month through the email I give out to family and friends... maybe that's saying something.  Sad

On another end of the scale, I get more than 300 a day.   smiley
42  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Switzerland-based ProtonMail, yet another secure email service on: September 08, 2014, 07:19:14 PM
I thought both were truthfully... the criminally small space and the messages per month.
43  Main Area and Open Discussion / Non-Windows Software / Re: LINUX: Remarkable - a very simple previewing Markdown editor for Linux on: September 08, 2014, 06:01:09 PM
Oh, that Qute is sweet indeed. Although I mainly use Markdown for quick drafts for later HTML conversion. But I'll take a look.

I think I might have found another favorite editor.  After playing around with it for a while, I'm quite enamored.  There are minor quibbles, and it does show itself as development software, but so far it works quite well and the parsing is more than acceptable.  And it does do what Remarkable does.  Quite pleased with that find.
44  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Switzerland-based ProtonMail, yet another secure email service on: September 08, 2014, 05:39:09 PM
Well, after getting setup... I see that this is not meant as your primary e-mail.  At least not at 100MB and 1000 messages/month...?
45  Other Software / Developer's Corner / Re: Markdown (and what do you do when a community outgrows your contribution) on: September 08, 2014, 05:22:26 PM
The good thing that should come out of all of this is that developers should run, not walk, to CommonMark -- and abandon Markdown as rapidly as possible.

That's one thing I'm afraid of.  A fragmentation.  But I don't think that CommonMark should really be hit by that as it doesn't include in the spec not to render other markdown.  Just to make sure that you render this markdown.
46  Other Software / Developer's Corner / Re: Markdown (and what do you do when a community outgrows your contribution) on: September 08, 2014, 04:15:48 PM
And I've already made clear that I believe standardization -- especially in the form it was done here -- is a good and important thing.

So the only real question in my mind is what you do when the original inventor becomes an obstacle to the continuing use and development of the project.

And I think my position is that when this happens, and attempts to convince the original inventor to join the team fails, that perhaps the best solution is to make a clean break from the original name of the invention and come up with a clearly different name -- even though that could lead to some (initial or continuing) confusion for users.


Look at the links in my post above.  Specifically:

https://twitter.com/grube...status/262287246953164800

https://twitter.com/grube...status/261650083689426945

He does make it quite clear that he doesn't want to be involved.  He's also very passive aggressive about it.  The later one is after he's said he doesn't want to be involved, they as a courtesy gave it to him to make suggestions and or say anything about it.  That's where the two weeks came from.  It seems a lot like the old if I don't see it and don't acknowledge it, then maybe it will just go away approach.

I agree mouser that choosing a different name and just stating that one of the main goals was Markdown compatibility would probably have been better.


And that's what they did in the end after he finally made it clear that he wouldn't allow the name to be used under any circumstances.  That's after telling them that he might allow pedantic or strict markdown... which both don't convey what is being done at all.  What makes it even worse is that this is instructions for a parser- but because there are a lot of non-technical people interested in markdown, they don't get that this is what it is for, and that even non CommonMark Markdown will still be able to be parsed just as normal.
47  Main Area and Open Discussion / Non-Windows Software / Re: LINUX: Remarkable - a very simple previewing Markdown editor for Linux on: September 08, 2014, 02:53:29 PM
Wow - I had no idea.

I might look at that Sublime Text setup for Markdown - I like that it's cross platform.
 

Yes, its in use in quite a few applications on windows and cross platform.  If you're looking for cross platform and don't mind web based, I'd also be remiss if I didn't mention the ones that I'm using:

Markable - has an HTML to markdown converter which can be useful.  Also has some other pretty cool features.

Dillinger - Live changing of markdown flavour.

Draft - Made with a real focus on writers, and collaboration on that writing.  Just started using it, but the developer seems really responsive.

StackEdit - side by side live preview

All of them import/export/sync to/from dropbox, evernote, google drive, etc... in some form or another.  I was skeptical, until I needed a quick way to edit on a few platforms in a hurry.  Tried stackedit, and it was great for that.  Synced up to google drive and drop box.  Viewed the output in Texts and exported using that to word.  Also used in Visual Studio as what I was doing was auditing code, which made it great to keep the workflow integrated.
48  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: The One Word Game! on: September 08, 2014, 11:54:59 AM
monster
49  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Hackers vs. gray matter on: September 08, 2014, 11:53:07 AM
Security is a practice that must be adhered to at all times ... It is not something you install and then blindly trust to just work.

+1000!
50  Main Area and Open Discussion / Non-Windows Software / Re: LINUX: Remarkable - a very simple previewing Markdown editor for Linux on: September 08, 2014, 11:47:02 AM
Some of them were indeed new to me. But I wonder why you like MD inside VS but rant about .net...

Did I rant?  Oh my... you must have read something I didn't write.  I stated a preference.  And it has to do with ClickOnce installation.  Is it not possible to like something without liking all that it offers?
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