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This is something that has come up quite a lot as well as something i have mentioned several times. There are so many times while using farr that i think how cool it would be if you could build a sentence by stringing multiple arguments together. Not only would it make farr a lot more powerful but a lot more intuitive at the same time. For example as others  already mentioned using the tab key as well as the enter key to denote multiple arguments as well as the end of the "sentence"  respectively would be awesome!! My vote would be for the following system:

1.start typing name of alias/plugin/etc
2.once identfied hit tab to select
3.now continue typing the search phrase or first argument. incidentally this would also be a great place to use a specific or shared history for that alias as i have mentioned in other threads  :D
4.hitting tab again would simply take you to the next argument if there are any or hitting enter would signify that you are finished and trigger the action with all the arguments etc.

I would also add that the use of any special characters in any of the steps above should bring up a list that can be filtered by continued typing for all the relevant functions for that special character. For example lets say you find the file you are looking for and you than type + , the results window should now display all the modifiers avail such as +zip,+email,+encrypt, etc.. What this also does is allow you to simply start typing the name of the action you would like to use and than pick the corresponding action below instead of having to memorize the exact modifier phrase with no assistance from farr which can be difficult depending on the number of modifiers,alias, etc.. This kind of intelligence is something that other launchers do well that i feel farr i sorely missing.

Just as powerful would be to have the last "step" of any sentence emulate the right click system context menu that you can currently get by right clicking on a result. This list could than be filtered by continued typing and ultimately hitting enter to perform the action. By doing this you could have all the actions available to that specific file type.

Just my .02

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i would looooove :-* some type of outlook plugin where you could start typing in the name of a contact and it would filter the names against your outlook contacts. Once you found the contact you wanted you could hit enter and it would display all their info in rich edit mode like address, email, phone # etc... You could then type +email to bring up the compose email dialog from outlook with the contacts email address already filled in.

If that proved too difficult how about simply being able to type the name of the contact and the plugin would search through an excel or comma separated file which you could than use the +email keyword on. As has been mentioned before the ability to search through some type of delimited list in a file would be extremely powerful for a number of applications.

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Find And Run Robot / Re: Evolution of the launcher?
« on: May 23, 2008, 12:27 PM »
sort of an alternative window into the web.

Exactly!

perhaps i should think of providing some asynchronous web grabbing/scraping functionality built in that plugins can ask FARR to perform for them.. would make it a little easier for plugin writers to do stuff like this consistently and seamlessly.

Now you're talking :Thmbsup: :Thmbsup: :D :Thmbsup: :Thmbsup: :D :Thmbsup: :Thmbsup:

Oh and as Kartal mentions this app is still very much a beta and by no means close to a FARR replacement but nevertheless does have some unique features that FARR could implement.

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Find And Run Robot / Evolution of the launcher?
« on: May 23, 2008, 12:04 PM »
Mouser, not sure how powerful the upcoming html viewer mode will be but i just came across a promising launcher called Skylight which has a really cool youtube search:

http://www.candylabs...ht-screenshot-10.jpg

Even though it come off as a bit flashy it does have a certain wow factor and being able to do this with a combination of the html mode and some type of web page scraper would be amazing!!! As mentioned before you could use it for things like movie reviews, wiki searches, rss feeds, weather reports and on and on....

I think this is the logical next step for a launcher type application such as FARR which I have come to think of as more of an interface into my pc or a first point of entry rather than just a launcher. Being able to access quick info such as this without having to launch another application and literally at your fingertips whenever you need it would be an evolutionary feature.

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Unfortunately i think most ppl gravitate towards things that are shiny and intuitive to use. I feel like a lot of ppl may try farr and not stick with it long enough to truly understand how powerful it is or what it can do because of its purpose driven interface/design. I know it took me about 2-3 tries to get hooked  :-* I think a few interface tweaks and perhaps a FARR Screencast series highlighting different features such as plugins, aliases, display settings etc would really go a long way. A wiki would be great for power users but again most novice users need instant gratification and immediate understanding or they will move on to the next shiny new thing.

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Have to agree with most of the others in saying that the biggest obstacle imo holding FARR back from getting the attention it deserves is that it is not as intuitive or accessible as some of the other launchers on that list. Just doesnt have the same "sex appeal" :P even though it is farr more powerful. As i mentioned in another thread i think adding the following features to FARR and having it use the Large icon slide by default with only location as the other row would help.

With regards to the interface i think one nice option would be to add an icon to the left of the query box right above the search results which would reflect the icon from the first search result. Taking that one step further you could also display the name from the first result as well in a different color/font perhaps. I think this allows you visually to identify the result you are looking for quicker. I see this as a middle ground between using the small icon report, which i use as i prefer having more results with a larger query font, and the large icon slide.

Would it be possible to add another set of "Report Columns" options in the display tab for the large icon slide display style. This way you would have a "Report Columns" for each display style and could specify different columns to use for each style. To be more accurate it would probably be a "Report Columns" for the small icon report and "Report Rows" for the large icon slide style. I think this would work well especially with the functionality to automatically switch display styles. I find myself using the large icons for regular app launching etc where i wouldnt normally need to view a lot of the other columns however when it automatically switches to the small icon report for dir results as well as a lot of the plugin results i would like to see the other columns.

Likewise it would be great if in the Fonts tab you could have the option to set the font/size for the other rows besides the "Name" row when using the large icon style. Being able to change the fonts would imo be very helpful in making the "Name" row more prominent and distinguishable from any other rows the user has specified.

Lastly an improved help file would be good although some screencasts would be A LOT better.
Keep up the great work though Mouser and i cant wait for the next release  ;)

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FARR Plugins and Aliases / Re: Quick plugin question
« on: May 18, 2008, 05:07 PM »
Thx i knew i was 8) close

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Two more plugin requests:

1) a plugin that can run an exe with commandline parameters and capture its stdout and show it in results memo view (note that users could use this with the explicit dll invocation technique to make their own alias configurations that use your dll to run any commandline program and capture the output).

2) a plugin that can fetch a web page and then extract text from the webpage (using a regex mask) and display text (stripped of html) as farr result memo.  (again this should use the explicit dll invocation technique to let people configure their own aliases that fetch different pages and use different regex matches).  The uses for this one are practically unlimited.

note: i guess that #1 might benefit from a regex mask as well, making these two plugins 95% identical.

Wow #2 would be amazing  :o :o  Any progress on that front. As you say the uses for this, combined with the html viewer you mentioned in another thread, would be practically limitless. I wouldnt think it necessary to reinvent the wheel with a full browser inside farr however a scaled down html mode would be great. I can imagine using this for quick wiki searches, reviews, quick weather updates etc etc where all you need is some specific info from a html page without having the need to browse and follow links. It actually shouldnt be that hard to do as long as FARR could support html output :D


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FARR Plugins and Aliases / Re: Quick plugin question
« on: May 18, 2008, 03:22 PM »
On a related note i am having trouble getting another alias to work. I am trying to create an alias to emulate typing C:\ and then being able to filter results as i continue to type. For example my alias name is  "Browse" with the result being "Browse C Drive | dosearch C:\".

My aim is to be able to start typing Brow.. then hit <tab> and than it should show all folders in my C: drive at which point i could start typing Progr... and it would filter to Program Files and i could hit enter to open that folder. However after i hit tab to autocomplete the alias and it returns all the folders but when i continue typing to filter the results it doesnt work.

Any ideas?

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jpgrosen tku for this amazing plugin  :o

Is there any way however to use this with my other web searches? For example say i wanted to search imdb or metacritic for a movie title. You could use google suggest to find the title and consequently replace the googe search string the imdb one using the title suggested? I think this would be a really powerful addition to this plugin. I often find that google is better at finding what i am looking for than i am  ;D

P.S. I also noticed that this plugin does not rank the search results by the number of results found. Is there a way to change this?

thx

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Find And Run Robot / Launch "ALL" items shortcut not working
« on: May 17, 2008, 04:05 PM »
I am trying to use the shortcut Ctrl+Alt+Enter as mentioned in the help file to launch ALL search results however it doesnt seem to be working.

Also would be a nice option to be able to use the shift key to select multiple search results and hit enter to launch them similar to standard windows functionality.

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Find And Run Robot / Report Columns Feature Request
« on: May 17, 2008, 12:26 PM »
Would it be possible to add another set of "Report Columns" options in the display tab for the large icon slide display style. This way you would have a "Report Columns" for each display style and could specify different columns to use for each style. To be more accurate it would probably be a "Report Columns" for the small icon report and "Report Rows" for the large icon slide style. I think this would work well especially with the functionality to automatically switch display styles. I find myself using the large icons for regular app launching etc where i wouldnt normally need to view a lot of the other columns however when it automatically switches to the small icon report for dir results as well as a lot of the plugin results i would like to see the other columns.

Likewise it would be great if in the Fonts tab you could have the option to set the font/size for the other rows besides the "Name" row when using the large icon style. Being able to change the fonts would imo be very helpful in making the "Name" row more prominent and distinguishable from any other rows the user has specified.

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FARR Plugins and Aliases / Re: Google Translation Plugin
« on: May 16, 2008, 02:54 PM »
Even better why not just do ALL plugin management through the updater. Any new plugin that is available would be listed in the "Available for Installation" tab minus any plugins you have already installed. The updater would handle all installing/uninstalling and updating ala quicksilver.

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Find And Run Robot / Re: Some Thoughts & Ideas
« on: May 15, 2008, 07:16 PM »
Mouser, thx for the quick response.

very good suggestions!

#4 has been already fixed in the to-be-released-next version; the Enter key will be used to trigger plugins that require some action to trigger them.  No more using special character at the end.  I apologize to the plugin writers for taking so long to implement this.

 :Thmbsup: :Thmbsup:

#2 has been suggested and i will try to do it, i can't see any problems immediately but we'll have to see if anything tricky comes up while it's being tried.

I think this would be reaaaalllly useful to add and there are a bunch of things off the top of my head that i could use this functionality for.

#1 im not sure about images, but i am considering adding a spreadsheet/grid style output mode that plugins could use.  i'm definitely adding an html display mode; a grid mode would be nice, just a matter of is there a real demand for it.

The image idea was more of a concpet and not a real need, for me at least. However i don't know who wouldnt want to have this kind of functionality and i can only imagine what kind of plugins could be developed as a result. The html mode sounds very exciting as well  :o

#5 type issues has been discussed in a lot of detail while planning for the next version which might use a multistep action type thing, closer to Quicksilver for the mac.  there are a lot of tricky issues in terms of user interface design, so i think it will have to wait a bit.. i keep hoping the perfect approach will somehow come to me before trying to implement a half-way solution.

I remember the monster threads devoted to this topic before the v2.0 release but i do think this would go a long way in improving FARR's appeal especially to the novice and more casual user.

#3 is interesting, let me consider it.

Again i think this would definitely improve FARR's accessibility/usability and im sure the skinners out there could come up with a really attractive design using this. Now if only this and #4 could be implemented in the next version and i would be in launcher nirvana  8)

And thx again for such a great tool.

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Find And Run Robot / Some Thoughts & Ideas
« on: May 15, 2008, 05:27 PM »
It seems that i keep coming back to FARR no matter what other software i try :-* However whenever i do there are some thoughts/ideas that i always have and would love to see implemented. Some probably more amcbitious than others.

1. Seeing as there are now a lot of awesome plugins for FARR it would be great if the plugin could specify the number of columns it returns/displays and their values. For example in the Process Kill plugin you could have columns for process name, memory, cpu usage etc. Likewise an itunes plugin could display track length, artist, album etc. Even more impressive would be an picture alias/plugin that allowed you to view thumbnails of your pics as well as size and dimensions. Implementing something like this i think would catapult FARR into an amazing tool.

2. Another feature that i sorely miss when using farr is some type of history that can be used on aliases as well as shared by several different aliases. For example if i have a keyword for Fandango and i search for "Iron Man" than wanted to check out some reviews on metacritic or imdb etc i would appear in the list. Another case for a history on a single alias could be a food menu site where you consistently search the same  restaurants to get their number/menus etc. Lastly a great example for this would be a website alias where you could start typing in the name of the site you want to visit and it would pop up in the results.

3. With regards to the interface i think one nice option would be to add an icon to the left of the query box right above the search results which would reflect the icon from the first search result. Taking that one step further you could also display the name from the first result as well in a different color/font perhaps. I think this allows you visually to identify the result you are looking for quicker. I see this as a middle ground between using the small icon report, which i use as i prefer having more results with a larger query font, and the large icon slide.

4. A consistent approach to handling aliases and plugins regarding how you use and execute them. For example some plugins require you to enter a space, some a period, others a double &&. Hitting enter/tab would be one intuitive solution.

5. Regarding the interface implementation of the point above it would be great to be able to display which alias/plugin is currently being used or active in a more intuitive/attractive manner. For example lets say you are using the delicious plugin. Once you enter dlc the search results show tags and posts. When you select tags and hit tab the query box changes to dlc +tags and displays all the given tags it finds. Lets say you choose the software tag and enter farr now the query box shows dlc +posts :software farr. I think one idea could be to show some type of breadcrumb structure either on the status bar or preferably in a new area right above the query box and subsequently clearing the query box after a new crumb is added. A standard key such as esc could be used to go back a step and tab/enter could be used to move forward. So for the delicious plugin instead of having "dlc +posts :software farr" you would display something like dlc > posts > software above the query box and only farr in the query box. Another visual cue to inform you of which plugin/alias you were using would be to keep the same icon to he left of the query box as mentioned above.


Wow that turned out be a long post. Probably should have split it up in to different topics.  :D

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FARR Plugins and Aliases / Re: Quick plugin question
« on: May 13, 2008, 12:11 AM »
Wow thanks for the quick reponse!

Told you it was a quick question  :D

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FARR Plugins and Aliases / Quick plugin question
« on: May 12, 2008, 10:37 PM »
Im really loving the Locate plugin which i have setup to activate by simply typing "l <search term>". What im wondering is how i can create another command such as "ld" that would act as if i had typed "l -ld" to search only for dirs. This way if i wanted to search for files i would type "l <file search>" and would type "ld <folder search>" if looking for a dir. Is there a way to do this without duplicating the plugin and renaming it which seems a bit ugly  :tellme:

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Wow, works great. Even better then the ff extension i have been using.

I can't tell you how long i have been waiting for someone, somewhere in ANY launcher to make a useful delicious plugin. My only minor request would be to have an option to include the favicons of the site which i think helps you visually find the site you are looking for. Although this might potentially slow down the search too much.

Great work though :Thmbsup:

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Find And Run Robot / Interesting alternative
« on: December 08, 2007, 01:24 PM »
I just found another interesting alternative to FARR, DASH, etc called DOMerger. Not sure where the names comes from and the default skin is pretty bad imo but i feel that it does have some interesting possibilities/promise. Definitely the most QS'esque app ive seen.

Check it out:

http://www.odierno.c...mercury/Default.aspx

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Find And Run Robot / Re: new launcher just released
« on: July 28, 2007, 11:19 PM »
Just to add my .02 i have also been following launchers for quite some time now and have tried pretty much everything out there. I even setup a mac to use quicksilver which was quite a treat. One thing i really loved about QS and potentially dash is their workflow or stacked approach as mentioned above. I think the idea of "creating a sentence" as QS puts it is an amazingly efficient, natural,  and powerful idea. Unfortunately i couldnt migrate to OSX completely so im back on the pc waiting for something to fill the void. Being able to create/walkthrough a multi step action is imo dash's most powerful and exciting feature and if executed properly could be a revolutionary new way to interface with your pc.

Anyway i just dl'ed the latest alpha of farr and cant wait to try out some of the new features. Great Stuff!!

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I vote for making the right arrow key pop-up the context menu when highlighting a file like approcket does. This feels very natural and easy. I would also love to be able to navigate up/down through folders  by using the left/right arrow keys.

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DesktopCoral / Re: Multiple screens?
« on: August 29, 2006, 08:44 PM »
Any idea on if this will be implemented or does anyone know of such a program that supports multiple monitors? I think this would really increase the usefulness of this application.

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DesktopCoral / Re: Multiple screens?
« on: August 06, 2006, 10:26 PM »
exactly what i was thinking. im having an issue with samurize where i want my config to dock to the top of my third monitor but so far havent found anything that works with multiple monitors

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Hi Mouser,

First off just want to thank you for creating such a kickass app. While i am really loving this app now what I've read about v2 is really exciting. Here are my thoughts on the subject:

1. -i think using modifiers is def the best/most logical way to go. I also think that when entering a modifier then the result window should switch to help complete that command.
-another feature which would be really amazing to have would be some sort of plugin interface a la TyepAndRun which could be used to add extra functionality to the app. some examples could be an active task list, system menu(reboot,shut down etc...), active windows list to name just a few. it would be even better if the plugin had the ability to specify the result windows columns, although this might be asking for a bit too much  :D. using the example above, one could type in +tasks and have the result window display all the current tasks with a column for name, cpu usage, and mem usage, then continue typing to filter the results which again could also be autocompleted and then hit the right arrow to bring up a context menu where an action could be performed.

2. once dir browsing is added i would be able to uninstall approcket for good. although i must say i think the way approcket handles dir browsing is prob the best way to handle it and it is very intuitive. using the arrow keys to go up/into a folder works very well IMHO as well as the feature where it displays the context menu if you hit the right arrow whilst highlighting a file. i also like the feature that once you've begun to browse dirs then filtering is automatically turned on so that any further typing filters within the current dir.

3.-other things i would love to see include the ability to select and execute multiple results. ie i have an alias similar to the default search alias where it would be great to type in alias query and then open the website/files for the first three results
-i also think autocomplete by using the TAB key (user definable) should be used to autocomplete the first/highlighted result.
-indexing and performace tweaks, especially in bringing up the window. i think most users of this app have systems that could handle it if this app had a bigger footprint and cache. it is made for power users after all 8)

i really look forward to the next release and i must say that finding this app has changed the way i interface with my pc for good.

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