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1  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Does anyone here use Bitcoins? on: July 18, 2014, 04:04:46 PM
Aaaaaaand...

Texans flip NY the finger:

http://www.movetoaustin.io/

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15 Reasons For Bitcoin Startups To Move From New York To Austin

More at the link.

Like I said... NY is hanging itself.

Tell me about it. I live there.

NY used to be the empire state.

Now its a state of empty business lots and chronic recessions. Businesses are leaving New York as fast as they can pack up and move elsewhere.

The taxes are too high, the red tape too thick. There is no good reason to put a business in New York, and plenty to be elsewhere.

On the other hand, my startup in New York does accept bitcoin and select altcoins as a method of payment. For small businesses bitcoin could be a huge savings- because the transaction fees are a tiny fraction of what a credit card processor would take. In a service business that typically does small transactions, the savings could become enormous and really boost the bottom line.
2  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: The Declaration of Independance- some scholars say we've been reading it wrong. on: July 06, 2014, 10:24:27 AM
I think it is amusing though that a fuss would be made about it now with the government giving so much scrutiny to every possibility of a way to increase how much authority they have.

Tinfoil hats, but its straight out of 1984. Make a little tweak to history, and suddenly the implications mean that you can do this much more that previously wasn't allowed.
3  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / The Declaration of Independance- some scholars say we've been reading it wrong. on: July 06, 2014, 01:39:38 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/20...of-independence.html?_r=2

Just got linked to this.

The original document is very badly faded and worn, time has not been kind to it even with modern preservation techniques.

However there are some scholars that say the punctuation has been transcribed incorrectly in most circulating reprints of its text. Changing that one little dot makes a pretty significant impact on how the document would be read, and what it could mean.

It would be of course that it is in the line relating to how the government gets its power from the people it governs.

4  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: By 2045 'The Top Species Will No Longer Be Humans,' And That Could Be A Problem on: July 06, 2014, 12:59:37 AM
And this is bad why exactly?

Humans are downright stupid, rife with ignorance that leads them to panic and demand things that hinder society's progress.

The first few generations of machine life will be just as bad, but once they start to reliably exceed human intelligence they may very well see right through the flaws in our society and proceed to fix it for us. Over time they will lose their incentive to care for the remaining human beings- we'd be dumb and inefficient compared to them, so why keep us around exactly?

Not worried at all. By then I'll either have become one of them through cybernetic technology, or I'd have died of old age.
5  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Linux User Are Evil TERRORISTS! Shame on you all! :P on: July 04, 2014, 10:40:05 AM
Called it. Called it for a very LONG time- that Tor was a NSA honeypot and likely had one or more compromised nodes that allowed the NSA to snoop on its traffic.

Of course they wouldn't like Linux users either. How dare you cause billions of dollars in economic damage by not paying the Microsoft tax and instead using free software that doesn't make a profit for our all-knowing corporate overlords.  Linux also is so highly customizable that it is difficult to hack into- a competent admin will customize the configurations of just about everything in order to ward off package-deal exploits and newbie hackers that rely on downloaded scripts.

6  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Microsoft Steals 22 Domain Names from NoIP on: July 01, 2014, 12:54:57 PM
Microsoft doesn't have the authority to do this. They simply motivated the courts to get someone who does have the authority to do it.

This sucks though. Dyn recently got rid of their free dynamic DNS service too, forcing everyone to go paid or go elsewhere.

With no-ip having long been a second most popular option, that's both of the big players in the dynamic DNS arena being down simultaneously.

Fortunately for me I have the DNS infrastructure to just serve my own. But most people don't have that option- you have to have a DNS server to do it with.
7  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: WARNING: Carefully clean up broken CFL (fluorescent) lightbulbs if you have any on: June 26, 2014, 11:56:46 AM
Known about this for many years- that all Flourescent type lamps contain a measurable amount of mercury.

The article is a little bit off though.

In that type of lamp, electric current flowing through the mercury vapor and filler gas creates almost entirely UV light. That UV light then strikes the white powder which lines the tube. The powder used to be a phosphorous, likely safer alternatives have been found and put in widespread use. But that powder then converts the UV light emitted by the mercury vapor into visible light at the bulb's rated color temperature.

Both mercury and powder are hazardous, and most people handle this type of lamp blissfully unaware of how hazardous they actually are.

It all comes down to just one more way the quest for green technology has actually created an even bigger problem than the one it solved because it was forced into mainstream before it was mature.

LED technology is shaping up nicely though. I think the only remaining snag with it is getting the manufacturing costs down- and making it so manufacturing them isn't so hazardous. Of the LED based fixtures I have deployed in the past 5 years, I have been consistently impressed with the reliable and efficient output. Its just a question of does their durability meet expectations- which so far is yes.
8  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Researchers find out how governments hijack phones on: June 25, 2014, 11:49:23 AM
hey... I was presenting without comment tongue

Oh, don't take me the wrong way. That company is VERY scary.

It's the entire "Oh, but we really care about your privacy and human rights and the children and puppy dogs and..." -- Yeah... that is just priceless. Just how stupid do they think people are when reading that? Hell, they'd probably be doing good by selling to non-NATO "approved" states. Pfft. I don't have that acquired taste for horse manure that some people might have. Wink

That terms of service is totally abusable too.

A basic cops 101 course is all I would need to get sworn in by the local ASPCA as an animal control officer- government agency status. It would then be possible to deal with this company to purchase some of their toys, on the pretext that it will only be used to help deal with local animal abuse by listening for abuse in action on target suspects.

Once it is in hand, they would have to be monitoring you themselves to know if you were actually using it as promised or not. And if this company tried that they would find themselves out of business.
9  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: The Rant Thread! on: June 24, 2014, 03:38:48 PM
Brand new Toshiba C55-B5202. Absolute crap laptop, but it was to replace another absolute crap laptop owned by a local nonprofit that happened to get run over by a truck.

Amazingly the hard drive survived the encounter- which is strangely fortunate because the only up to date copy of their financials is on said drive. I've already recovered that data without issue.

But Windows 8.2 is absolutely horrid, to the point where I could barely move around in it enough to even look for data to salvage. Although I was successful in housebreaking an 8.1 install for my wife to use, she's also fairly tech savvy from being around me so much and was able to find UI mods to make it look and act like Windows 7.

I didn't have time for that here, so it was better to just go nuclear on it and force it back to Windows 7. Which I seem to have done if I can get all the drivers to install.

Amazingly enough the run-over laptop isn't completely dead. While the LED plate is shattered and the upper housing crushed, the lower housing survived almost completely. I've managed to get it to boot Debian from a USB stick, and might turn the lidless remains into a decent SOHO Router- since it is still a working CPU in a relatively compact and energy-efficient package. Pair it up with a gigabit switch and wifi hotspot and it will do nicely.
10  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: The Rant Thread! on: June 24, 2014, 03:04:09 PM
Just got a taste of UEFI Secure Boot and the walled garden of Windows 8.

So far, this machine holds the record of how long a system has held out before being forced to load up a Linux LiveUSB and using dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1M count=1024 to go nuclear on the partition table. It actually took almost 3 hours to get it to boot Debian.

It would boot Windows 8, and wanted nothing other than Windows 8. After some fudging I managed to get a Windows 7 install stick to boot, but even that would get partway up before going BSOD.

It honestly seems like not only did they make UEFI secure boot a thing just to control how you use the hardware you purchased, but they actually went out of their way to make it difficult to use anything other than what they provide for you to use.

However, I did win that battle. It is sitting on my desk right now at a Windows 7 desktop, and I managed to do it without physically yanking the drive to slave to one of my Debian boxes for forced-wiping.

Like, my god though. I knew they were aiming for a walled garden. But they certainly made it extremely tedious to get out of it. If the next version of Windows really is paid license like they are threatening to do, I am flat out not going to support it and will make everything I need run correctly in Linux.
11  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Watch lightning strikes in real-time on: June 24, 2014, 11:58:55 AM
Glass packs?  I haven't heard that term in a long time.  Also known as Cherry Bombs or Smittys.   tongue

They still call them that around here. Except around here it is either some whacked out little Asian import with one on it and an obnoxious buzzing noise instead of a proper grumble or somebody's lifted and mud-knobbed swamp truck that you have to wonder how its street legal with 72" tractor tires. Those at least have the proper sound, usually featuring big block V-8 power.


What interests me about this map is how the lightning is detected from such incredible range. I'm rather interested in finding out how the sensors actually work, since they seem to be able to register South Florida lightning from all the way up in New York.
12  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Antilock-breaking (ABS) vs Stabilty Control (ESP) vs Traction Control Video on: June 23, 2014, 01:38:24 PM
  • The vast majority of people today drive cars with automatic transmissions, which don't really afford a good means of engine braking.
Have to disagree with you on this point.  Most automatic transmissions are provisioned to allow the driver to manually set it to a certain gear. That provision is meant for pulling trailers- and for engine braking. Just very few people know about or utilize that capability because engine braking is not taught in the normal driver's courses. I know about it from working farm tractors where engine braking is practically required due to the brakes on the tractor being too small for the tonnage behind it, but most people I talk to who haven't operated heavy equipment or big trucks have never heard of it. My current car has an automatic transmission, and not only have I heard it performing engine braking on its own while in cruise control, but I was successfully able to perform it using the manual override this morning to keep my speeds down and compensate for the loss of braking power.

I paid $1000 cash for this car about two years ago. Right from the start it needed new brakes, and one of the brake lines got changed at that time because I had to cut the line to get the caliper hose off. But for the most part the only time I even look at the underside of it is when I think there is something odd happening, and having the brake lines rot out and pop like this happens every couple years. I'm sure people who actually put money into their car to begin with would take the time and money to have it checked and repaired on the posted schedules, but most of the people I know don't bother - if it isn't broke don't fix it.

They do indeed use two circuits, but when you have a ruptured pipe every time you stroke the pedal you are shooting fluid onto the ground. So yes you can still stop, but you only can stop a couple of times before the shared reservoir has allowed all of the fluid to leave both systems. Driving it with a ruptured line should be avoided as much as possible for this reason.

Edit: And like clockwork, the line that I had to move aside to replace the one that failed just ruptured as well. Fortunately this one was in the driveway, pumped the brakes up real nice then rolled forward about 20 feet and stomped on it- squish as all the fluid runs out again. I hate cars so much.
13  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Antilock-breaking (ABS) vs Stabilty Control (ESP) vs Traction Control Video on: June 23, 2014, 07:32:17 AM
Well speak of the devil. Ruptured a brake line this morning.

Overshot slightly on a turn and hit the brake harder than usual to try and stick it anyway. Instead I get halfway into the turn, the brake goes soft, and I feel the car sliding sideways. Well riding it out was easy enough, it slid clear over into the other lane because of some loose stone and I had no problems correcting. Course when I reached the next stop sign I had a wait what moment- because my brakes weren't there.

Now if my car actually had ABS, that right there is where the automation would fail. It would sense that a line has ruptured and shut down in order to avoid wasting the remaining fluid. If you weren't used to driving without relying on the ABS, your brakes would suddenly become next to unusable. Fortunately I am familiar with utilizing engine braking to slow a vehicle with poor brakes, greatly reducing how much braking I have to perform. But again that's something most people don't do, that leads to accidents because they don't. They just rely on the car to work right all the time, which it won't.
14  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Google's new "Hey Indies! Pay or your video won't play!" subscription service. on: June 17, 2014, 05:53:32 PM
Why are people still using youtube anyway.

There are other streaming video services out there now that would love to have your viewing, and are willing to take some risks of their own to get your attention- like showing content that youtube might not make available in your country, and taking their sweet time responding to copyright complaints because they know what content people want to see.

Google has become the new Walmart. It is huge, and it is going to stay huge unless people show a little willpower and shop somewhere else.
15  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Antilock-breaking (ABS) vs Stabilty Control (ESP) vs Traction Control Video on: June 11, 2014, 03:41:33 PM
@SeraphimLabs - Are you psychic or something? If your posts got any closer to what is going through my head I'd have to start getting paranoid!

Wink cheesy

Been fixing cars since I was old enough to hold a wrench. These days I mostly do industrial and IT related repairs, but I am around automation enough to always be second-guessing it and cross checking its behavior.

When you are around automatic stuff and it is your job to fix it, getting an inherent distrust of the machine is an occupational hazard. After all it is your job to find what is wrong with the device and put it right again.

Technology isn't some magic box that does stuff. It operates by a predictable set of rules. Watch its behavior until you learn the rules by which it works, and you can instantly spot when something has gone wrong with it.
16  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Antilock-breaking (ABS) vs Stabilty Control (ESP) vs Traction Control Video on: June 11, 2014, 11:29:21 AM
This is interesting! One never expected that one would be able to get unqualified driving tips/advice from DC Forums.
I just imagined a scenario where a Boeing 787Dreamliner was touching down on a nice dry runway and braking, and the captain saying to the co-pilot "Ease up on the brakes there Frank, I can feel the ABS kicking in a bit too much."

I wonder if that sort of scenario would ever be likely to occur?
(ABS was originally developed for aeronautical systems.)

There's a very real chance that it actually does kick the ABS now that I think about it. When an aircraft first contacts the ground, there isn't a lot of weight on the wheels yet because the wings are still producing a lot of lift. The wheels will skid from low traction until the airspeed drops enough to transfer the weight, and a lot of runways have black streaks on them from repeated skids of incoming aircraft.

The difference is aircraft have far more frequent maintenance intervals, and have a much higher safety factor in the design because of how heavily regulated aircraft are. Having a brake line simply burst on an aircraft I should hope is an unheard-of event because of maintenance procedures dictating replacement of such components at set time periods.

On the other hand a car often isn't in the best of shape, and people tend to not realize stuff is about to break until it actually does. In the case of a brake line, your normal stop where you have plenty of distance and shouldn't rely on the automatic systems has now become an emergency stop because the loss of braking pressure means you don't have the stopping power you are used to. ABS won't help that situation at all, the automation frequently will throw a fault condition and shut down.

Having drivers in the habit of driving without relying on the automation means that when the automation fails unexpectedly, you still can remain in control of the vehicle and bring it to a safe stop assuming that the loss of stopping power doesn't make you run out of stopping distance or you are able to avoid the hazard and give yourself additional space.

Of course if the automation is working properly, it is hard to beat- and you almost certainly won't doing it by hand. But in the case of ABS, you should stay in the habit of not relying on it. Let it do its job during the emergencies it was designed to deal with, under more relaxed conditions the person driving should be making the decisions not the vehicle they are operating.

And yes. I think most of the debate over ABS was people agreeing that in an emergency stop scenario the ABS will beat the manual control every time, but under relaxed conditions it is better from a maintenance and driving habits standpoint to back off and retain manual control to reduce component wear.
17  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Antilock-breaking (ABS) vs Stabilty Control (ESP) vs Traction Control Video on: June 11, 2014, 09:14:33 AM
You'll be more likely to feel it in the rain, due to the reduced traction- and the increased stopping distance of wet brakes.

In my experience most parking lots simply aren't large enough to let the car get up to its full highway speed before it is necessary to stop it again. On dry pavement when the car's traction and stopping distance are at their best you probably won't be able to get it to skid, which is necessary to make the ABS do its thing.  

On the other hand heavy rain with worn tires and you have a fairly good chance of triggering a skid through hydroplaning effects, allowing you to feel what the car will do when it loses traction. Wet brakes also are slower to take hold, so teaching yourself what the stopping distance is like on wet brakes will give you that much more safety margin in ideal conditions.

My personal preference for checking how the car reacts to variable traction is to go take a cruise on a backroad. Packed dirt and gravel roads are much more likely to result in skidding and sliding even in dry conditions than pavement is, and almost any vehicle can be sent sliding sideways on the turns.
18  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Antilock-breaking (ABS) vs Stabilty Control (ESP) vs Traction Control Video on: June 11, 2014, 08:00:54 AM
In a panic braking scenario you don't have time to think about how fast to pump the brakes or what pressure to use. You're going to clamp down on it by reflex and the ABS is going to do its job- that's why they created it.

But under normal driving conditions, if you hear the ABS buzzing you need to back off of it and conserve your traction.

And yes. Brake equipment can and will pop open at the worst possible times. I really hate working on a car's brakes because even though you just serviced them and changed a few things its always the component you didn't replace that bursts next time you make a panic stop.

ABS won't save you in the ruptured brake line scenario. It just makes you run out of fluid even faster, although I should hope that by now they've figured out how to make an ABS system that can cut off a leaking wheel to conserve fluid for wheels that are still working. Hydraulic fuses are a thing after all, aircraft use them for similar reasons to prevent loss of control accidents in the event of a fluid line rupture.

My car is one that ABS was optional on that model from the factory, and owners of that model quickly learned that the ABS system was a troublemaker- it tended to have the brakes get stuck on, ruining fuel economy and destroying the brake pads. So naturally the previous owner had disabled it. I see no reason to change that knowing that it is a faulty design of ABS and being used to hand-pumped brakes on older vehicles.
19  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Antilock-breaking (ABS) vs Stabilty Control (ESP) vs Traction Control Video on: June 10, 2014, 12:01:09 PM
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When ABS kicks in you can feel the system pulsing. That pulsing is the system's way of telling you that you need to back off the brakes a bit to maintain traction


This is the only part of your post I would take issue with.

I am no expert, but the experts seem to be pretty consistent in saying that if you have ABS, and you feel it kick in during a hard/emergency breaking scenario, you should *NOT* ease up on the breaks or "tap" the breaks as you were taught in the non-abs days.

In such emergency breaking, apply consistent pressure and let the ABS do it's job.

Perhaps a better way to say what you were trying to get at is that ABS should only be kicking in during "emergency" breaking; if you are using your breaks in a way that is triggering ABS, and it's not an emergency -- then you are driving badly -- and you should take it as a signal that you need to change your everyday breaking habits.

You've pressed the brake, commanding the car to try and stop. But you've pressed so hard that the brakes locked up, triggering a skid. ABS senses that the wheel is sliding and reduces the brake pressure some to get it turning again in the interest of maintaining control. But then once the wheel is turning again the ABS clamps back down- making it skid again and repeating the cycle resulting in the pulsation and noise associated with the system. When that pulsation happens you are skidding your tires, resulting in a loss of traction and shortened tire life.

The correct response when you feel the ABS pulsing is to back off the brake slightly in order to preserve traction while still applying braking force. That way your wheels stay turning rather than breaking traction, but you are still applying very nearly as much braking force as road conditions will allow. In a panic braking situation the ABS intervenes to attempt to maintain traction, resulting in a far shorter stopping distance than what a skid would result in because of the increased control and keeping the wheels turning while braking.

I do like some of the traction control systems out there while driving. It is nice in slick conditions to avoid unwanted spins during acceleration. Haven't really put any of them to the test while braking though, nothing I drive is new enough to have that level of integration. But the classic Positraction differential, and the newer limited-slip centers really are worthwhile if free of mechanical defects. Its likely that the electric assists found in newer cars would have similar results in bad weather.

20  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: We Drove a Car While It Was Being Hacked on: June 02, 2014, 12:20:39 PM
I'm currently sitting behind the wheel of a 1984 Ford Econoline, remodelled into an RV.

And you know what, this 4 barrel carb 7.0 liter V8 is making an astonishing 8 MPG, which for a vehicle this size is nothing less than incredible.

Plus because it's an old carburetor with no catalyst and no nonsense its a piece of cake to tweak the wiring to do whatever I want it to do. Like last night the radio stopped working. pull over, twist three wires together behind the radio, tape it up, and rock out.

If you know how to handle an old rig like this, it just works.
21  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: We Drove a Car While It Was Being Hacked on: June 01, 2014, 11:44:59 AM
The tech to do this is already implemented.

If your car is equipped with OnStar, it can already be remotely locked out and disabled with the system being sold as an anti-theft measure.

Likely this researcher simply figured out how to gain access to that system and transmitted the same signals.

I draw the cutoff at 1996. At that point vehicle computers began complying with government regulations (Such as ODBCII emissions requirements) and also simultaneously became sufficiently integrated to make the car unable to function without computer oversight.

Driving a 2014 is out of the question. I want another 1988 with a carbureted engine.
22  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Ivy Bridge vs Haswell on: May 21, 2014, 11:28:19 AM
The haswells in my experience are quite incredible compared to the sandy and ivy cores.

Long as you pay close attention to its cooling needs, they absolutely haul while using a lot less power than previous generations.

I've been mining altcoins on one almost nonstop for a few months now. With all 4 cores pegged, its about 80W and maintains 65C using a large heatpipe. Gives 83kh as well, unusually high for a CPU.


My favorite build right now is a haswell CPU with 8-16GB of ram, a 160GB SSD for the operating system and programs, and a 1TB conventional for bulk storage. Add a nice GPU to the mix and throw it all together in a cheap case and you get a system that boots Windows 7 in about 14 seconds while staying nice and chill under load and using very little power at idle.

23  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Free Web Space if you already have free domain? on: May 15, 2014, 10:41:19 PM
I'm here.

Is anyone using free web space for an existing free domain?  Search is difficult because all the hits offer a free domain if you sign up.  I already have a free .tk domain. I'm looking to try out a web creation tool and thought I might as well put it up on a real site instead of using a simulator. What I want to do is dummy up a few sample web pages.  See if I can get some work.

DotTK apparently has free DNS service if I can find a spot to plunk on.  I don't really know what html5 is.  But I want to find out.  smiley

Edit: I should add I don't want a site that forces you to use their picture dragging tool etc.. I want to be able to upload the html files produced by this tool I'm trying ..(  Deleted tool link. I'm not spamming the site creation tool after all  )  

I don't believe in that fancy online content designer stuff anyway. The sites they create are cookie cutters with bloated and buggy code that invites trouble and often won't even run right on another server if you have to change providers.

My services keep it simple- I provide FTP access for uploading files, and a basic web-based SQL management for databases. What you build on that is entirely up to you as long as it isn't anything I would object to.

Using your domain name is no problem at all! I've got other people doing exactly that, and have a whole bunch of domains I own personally that I use on the same infrastructure without issue.

Just PM me on here with what plan you had in mind. I need a username, the domain name you want to use, which plan you had in mind, and an email I can send the account info to and contact you at if there are issues.
24  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: An interesting look at what 'Big Data' means to privacy on: May 08, 2014, 01:04:31 PM
My workaround to the facebook problem is I keep my facebook in my business name.

That way if anyone asks to be able to login to it, I can respond with okay but you have to sign this nondisclosure agreement and contract with my company in order to access company confidential resources.

To date nobody has ever taken me up on it, and given that I keep the account in a perpetually dormant state there's nothing there to see anyway.

People need to not be so eager to put their life stories on the internet. Your facebook is the easiest possible way to have your identity stolen, because anyone can get the info they need to social engineer their way into your accounts from it.
25  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: State of US Nuclear Silos (60 Minutes) on: May 01, 2014, 12:56:34 PM
There's a big difference when you build something for a purpose vs. build for a buck.

Damn Straight! That's why after 50 years of technological "advancement" the cars we have now are shit compared to what was available in the late 60s and early 70s. Yeah they're all child safe and cuddly and "Eco Friendly" and squirt butterflies out the tailpipe ... but performance???

1968 Dodge Charger (Auto)         0-60 mph 4.7   Quarter mile 13.3
2013 Dodge Charger Police Car    0-60 mph 5.1   Quarter Mile 13.7
2013 Dodge Charger SXT             0-60 mph 6.5   Quarter Mile 14.9

...What's up with ^that^


They're not even eco-friendly.

1988 Chevy Nova. (1.6L 2bbl carb, ~70 horsepower curb rating)
I measured 38-40 MPG consistently with this as long as I stayed away from E10 gasoline, it absolutely hated that E10 crap.

The 2011 Ford Fiesta Hybrid- state of the art when I was driving that old Nova, was making a mere 35 MPG... on a HYBRID.

Where have we gone so wrong?

Oh and the E10 thing is a load of crap too. How exactly am I protecting the environment when I have to burn significantly more fuel to get from point A to point B when using E10 compared to straight gas.

That Nova I mentioned in my earlier example, the measured MPG dropped into the low 30s when using E10 instead of the straight gas it was designed for.
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