Your case is definitely different.
Who cares about a product due next year?
Your case is definitely different.
Who cares about a product due next year?
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Yep, the waiting game can be played infinitely, can't it?-nosh (August 26, 2008, 04:49 PM)
tslim, there are boards that support both DDR2 & DDR3 but I assume you meant they can't be run concurrently.Seriously, I never come across one. May be it is because I am too much a ASUS mobo fan, which make me seldom visit other sites for mobo.-nosh (August 26, 2008, 04:49 PM)
I would say it depends. The chance of a successful transfer is greatly boosted base on 2 factors:) Transfer application settings from 1 PC to the other PC. Of course this sometime won't work, but most of the time a backup from PC A follow by a Restore on PC B works.
This wouldn't work for a lot of software because of the nature of the settings.-cmpm (August 25, 2008, 10:17 AM)
I'll suggest this to our developers, but I don't see how useful would it be to have the exact backup job in two different groups and have them both sharing the same centralized settings. If that source is important and want to be sure it gets backed up, you can set up a scheduler for it.It is for the sake of easy maintenance and flexibility when setting up manual/timed schedules of backup. I have never thought about using it "just to ensure a source gets backup". Neither have I expected you to think along this direction and I feel disappointed for you can't see the usefulness of sharing job definition...-Softland (August 25, 2008, 05:23 AM)
The registry backup feature has lower priority compared with other features we want to implement, because other than using it for backing up applications (which can be done with plugins too) it doesn't have much applicability.1) Clone job function is to clone a job (1 purpose)-Softland (August 25, 2008, 05:23 AM)
Agreed; I've given up cloning. Not so sure about the advantages of RAID. I have it on a network drive, but will it work if there is a crash? I don't know - so I can't really rely on it - too many reports of it not having been in working order when needed.Lets say you got a mobo with RAID ready.-Dormouse (August 24, 2008, 11:30 AM)
By archiving, I meant that it is stuff that you want to keep safe permanently, with limited changes but more frequent additions.Ok, I see.-Dormouse (August 24, 2008, 11:26 AM)
Not really worried at all about reinstating my system. I redo that from scratch every few years anyway.I can't afford to lost utility data for quite a number of programs: like ACDsee database, MacroExpress macros, True LaunchBar's bar sets etc.-Dormouse (August 24, 2008, 11:26 AM)
One thing I would say from your list of things to backup is that some of them are really for Archiving rather than (or as well as) Backup.Not "some", but only "one" of them that is the first item. When I say "A modern and fast backup engine" I do mean a decent Archiving engine. The other 6 items are not pure archive related. The requirements of efficient filtering mechanism, aware of unicode, capable of handling ADS and folder junctions, all these still apply even if we are talking about a simple copy action (without compression).-Dormouse (August 24, 2008, 06:12 AM)
I also distinguish stuff I will do file sync with from the stuff I backup.I don't distinguish "synchronizing" from typical "backup" by the stuff they act on.-Dormouse (August 24, 2008, 06:12 AM)
To me it seems simple no matter what the output is.
First you could put your backup program in your safe backup destination or more destinations if it's on the same computer, so it will stay operational when needed.
Relocate your output folders to My Documents.
If possible put the .ini files and reg files there also, in separate folders, and point the program to it.
Or use Titan or whatever you have to backup the .ini's and registry settings to folders marked for each program.
You could also group the folders in My Documents.
As per your list and make a folder each type and another to put it all in. So you won't be looking at hundreds of folders right off but groups of them within one.
Once each backup is made, which could be in the hundreds, then they are done. Name the backups respective to the programs and contents. I don't believe there is a limit to how many separate backups can be made.
But anyway, once they are done, it would be simple to run any selected backup or a smaller group, if it was backed up that way, or all of them, dated sets, incremental or full for each one. Have all these types of backups setup. Without having to set them up again. Cuz they are already setup to run automatically when choosing to backup or restore.
Then simply backup My Documents to another destination or more where they will be safe. If My Documents gets corrupted for some reason, you could restore the whole thing.
I'm not sure if some of these backup programs can make the backups self executing without the program that made the backup. Depends on the backup program.
Basically. use My Documents as your main backup folder.
So you don't have to search all over the place for these backups.
Which makes it simple in many ways.
Everything I need backed up is in My Documents, so even in the event of a system failure. I have that folder somewhere else that is separate from the main OS and program files and the rest.
I have what I need backed up to a slave drive, another computer on your network and an online backup. All with simply clicking backup all or incremental, since it's setup.You could also add an External Hard drive and just shut it off when not in use, pretty much assurance of it being there when needed.
Of course the tedious part would be to setup your plan.
But once it's set, it doesn't have to be reset.
With as many programs as you have, an external terabyte drive seems to be in order. Unless you have a separate internal drive big enough to handle what you are trying to accomplish.
So keeping needed stuff in one central location has been my plan, maybe it will work for you. Time consuming initially but it works for me.
So......Whatever the program-A, the backup B can still be independently configured or grouped. I would do both for the options.
I'm not sure if all that is clear, but it's the idea and implementation that actually works.
-cmpm (August 24, 2008, 04:25 AM)
I have no idea what some of the 7 are even talking about.Why don't you ask for clarification?
That's why I asked what it is you are backing up.Asking B when what you don't understanding is A could easily worsen the subject.
What kind of data are you speaking of?Just a brief of data I have:
In fact I've heard that some data can be missed with any 'normal' backup procedures. And I've seen the threads of such problems.That could probably be the item 7 of my requirements.
I don't quite understand your question.
What kind of 'stuff' are you backing up and what would you restore it to?
Maybe that would help. Or not.-cmpm (August 24, 2008, 01:16 AM)
Unfortunately, it does not support unicode at all. Well, you are able to select the folders/files but they won't be backed up if they contain Japanese/Chinese/Korean (what I used for my tests) characters. Doesn't matter if you just use the program to copy files from location A to B on the same filesystem, it still can't handle them, and if you use the zip functionality it creates broken archives.Too BAD!-Dirhael (August 23, 2008, 08:03 PM)
-Genie backup manager pro too has a "Clone job" function in its job manager.
in an "ideal" backup programme It would be great to be able to simply Control+DragDrop to create a copy of a backup.
SFFS offers a "save as" option for backup "profiles".
btw, Slim, you mention Genie backup manager pro - the advantage of Backup4all and SFFS is that they backup to zip - AFAIK Genie doesnt (?) - not sure about Titan either but think it does zip compressionNot true!
(another btw, did you get to try SFFS or does the lack of registry/keys stop you ?)Make it this way, I have listed my 7 requirements right at the very first post of this thread.
"wizard" means step by step options interface - it doesnt necessarily mean less options or less advanced - it normally means this, but only in the context where there is also an advanced options interface on offer (i.e. dont get too bogged down on what it's called - give it a try - disclaimer, I havent tried Titan- but then I'm happy with what I have )Trust me, I know what a wizard mean in the computer world and I don't only find it useless.
Another thumbs up for Backup4all from me as well. In particular I find the interface really easy to use. A strong vote from me for registry backup though. The lack of that is the only reason I keep looking elsewhere for backup.-markan (August 23, 2008, 06:02 AM)
So I would not be too quick to give up on this program with direct input from it's developer.I hope they really will.
And not to count out Titan either. If they were aware of this conversation they might have some input as well.-cmpm (August 22, 2008, 08:59 PM)
You may call it a wizard interface.The TitanBackup website states that the product is wizard-driven - first item in its "Main Features"
But there has to be a way to choose what you want backed up.-cmpm (August 22, 2008, 06:13 AM)
Are you trying to be able to find a backup program and have the backup program automatically select the files and registry keys and dependencies for you?No, I am not.-cmpm (August 22, 2008, 06:13 AM)
You can have the same backup job in several backup groups, as long as you have a different name for the backup job (but it can have the same sources and destination). So your scenario works with Backup4all, and as mentioned above if you create a backup plugin for an application you can select its registry keys to be backed up too.I can't quite understand what you have stated about the job sharing. Lets say I want a backup job A to be shared by N backup groups, do you mean:-Softland (August 22, 2008, 03:50 AM)
Backup4all can already back up selective key(s) as part of the plugin system. So if you define a backup plugin for application A, you can add registry keys for that application and they will be restored when you perform a restore (there's already a list of plugins created for several applications http://www.backup4all.com/kb/15/, and there's a tutorial on creating a plugin here http://www.backup4al...ckup-plugin-161.html).If Backup4All strictly requires one to create plugin first in order to backup selective registry key(s), then that is too bad. I don't even agree with any claim that it supports registry key(s) backup. I can easily quote you an example which also sounds like a trick or workaround than a real support of such feature:-Softland (August 22, 2008, 03:50 AM)
We hope to have Backup4all 4.1 fully Unicode (we're depending on a 3rd party, so it might be sooner).The sooner the better.-Softland (August 22, 2008, 01:40 AM)
Regarding the registry backup, Backup4all has the ability to do that but we haven't made this public because we consider this a rather dangerous thing if it's not used by powerusers. ...Are we talking about backing up the whole registry or just selective key(s)?-Softland (August 22, 2008, 01:40 AM)
You seem to be at a point of moving into much more complex backups.
If I could even call it that at this point.-cmpm (August 21, 2008, 02:46 PM)
It could be considered wizard like but it's not imo. It's more a step by step process type deal where I would have to do a backup and take screenshots at each step.
In other words it will not show the details of each step without actually taking action in each step.-cmpm (August 21, 2008, 09:25 AM)
Now, looking closer at my own utilities I find
supports registry operations as well as being a true backup utility.-cmpm (August 21, 2008, 07:19 AM)
4. Able to group backup jobs and act (backup/ restore) base on the group.-tslim (August 20, 2008, 09:19 AM)
in SFFS, in order to do this you have to give the backups you want to group a prefix (with a space after it), e.g.
They will then show as
and can be selected as a group by ticking "J"-tomos (August 21, 2008, 07:30 AM)