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126  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: how can I do this in excel? on: March 24, 2015, 01:59:40 PM
sorry, in short, will the links in the index file I emailed, work? ie. download the actual files?
let aside security and that I would email the link and not the file or anything else

Again this is ringing my alarm bells with mixed purposes.

Do you want to come to the chat room for a bit?

Then later we can post a summary here in the thread.

127  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: how can I do this in excel? on: March 24, 2015, 01:38:23 PM
sorry, I don't know how the html file knows its url and parent web path and you answer "it 'just' knows" !

I see nothing inside the html file that contains its url

it seems the web browser when it opens an html and sees hyperlinks in it with no path, it automatically takes the same path of the url that was downloaded

but if you take that html file and send it in an email attached, and open it from that email, will these Href links without path, work?
if they work I will get mad!

so, if they don't work, and they only work when the index html is downloaded, there is no chance to do what I want, one thing of which was to have the index file (I said xls, you made it html) to be stored locally!

can we do this?
I edit the xls file to add the filenames and possibly add new files I have uploaded
the html at the time it is downloaded, it AUTOMATICALLY reads and grabs the hyperlinks from the xls file and displays the latest uptodate index

is that possible?

that would be interesting

I think you might be drifting a little where a couple of your desires run opposite to each other! Again I'll try to answer these out of order in what I hope makes sense.

"...but if you take that html file and send it in an email attached, and open it from that email, will these Href links without path, work? If they work I will get mad!"

So let's not make you mad!

You shouldn't be emailing the index file. Leaving aside security on who is authorized to look at files on the server, you would email the authorized group the *link to the index file on the server*. The index file lives on the server just like any of the other files that get up there. (Otherwise, why have a web server at all? It's not software, it's just a file.)  

PS in all these posts the DC board software adds random things to my posts that are not there!

So anyway, for example in my server, it was my fault in our example I used file names with spaces. It's tough to do prototypes because in prototyping you take shortcuts! I don't do a lot of web work so I was using file names with spaces. So I renamed the index with dashes which should come through as a straight link.

So my "hard link" would be
http://www.freevoteusa.co...Excel-Produced-Index.html

But you were asking that if people move the files around, that "hard link" breaks. So I went the other way. If you load the index up to the web server where all the files are, then you *browse* to the index, it "finds" everything in that folder. Then someone wants to move all the files say to a "completed folder". Sure. So you move the index file there too, and it still "finds" the files again. That's what I hope you were asking.

You can't simultaneously (easily) have an index file on your local machine that looks at the web server AND flexible enough to still find files when people move them around on the server.

So if I had an index on my local C drive, it would need a "hard link"
http://www.freevoteusa.co...Excel-Produced-Index.html
to find the stuff on the web server. But then when someone moves the file out from under you, that link would break.

You can re-do the index, but it takes a few more steps.

I know, limits of proprietary data, but ask your manager if there are a couple of very non-sensitive files (like maybe a readme and a boring memo) we can use together to take our example past one step of these prototypes and do ten minutes of "real work". A small piece of this is you are having a little trouble converting my prototype to your real situation.

I'll add a few more notes in the next post to keep this from becoming a wall of text!

128  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: In search of an alternative to InfoSelect ... on: March 24, 2015, 01:19:52 PM
Forgot this was here  embarassed.

Been using MyInfo for quite a time, now.  Not as complete as InfoSelect (name as was sold to me), but close, and I don't have to pay $100 annual update - although I might, with a few changes - as was necessary with InfoSelect.  My disaffection with InfoSelect began when an update trashed my file history, running into nearly a decade, with no chance of recovery within the program.  Yeah, there were backups, but the same thing happened.  Lamentations to InfoSelect went unanswered, so I quit the program - I've no use for developers that don't respond (reminiscent of my lifetime license to WinZip which was not respected when Nico Mak (?) sold it to current developers).

Right now, MyInfo serves to capture and retain my needs/preferences.  Several limitations exist, but they be bearable, and the developer(s) seem amenable to suggestion, albeit somewhat dilatory in implementation at times.

(I distrust OneNote, Evernote and the like because too many cloud leaks/break-ins/intrusions have occurred.  Was an avid Evernote user until it migrated to a cloud-based format/venue.)

Hi Barney,
I have been a fan and promoting MyInfo for a while now. I wasn't aware there is any $100/year annual update! I do recommend the Pro version, but I thought if you get it once, you should be good for a while. I landed on MyInfo because it was the only other program I found that did certain export features and I found a "nuclear" bug with TreeDB that made that program absolutely unusable at any level, right at the same time they took down the support forum and never answered a tech support question from me ever again!

And the developer of MyInfo really is pretty responsive.

It might be fun if we traded a couple of MyInfo notes ... pun intended!
cheesy

There are several good programs out there, each with a slightly different focus. So my top level advice when people wade into this topic is to do it in stages - first take a slightly dreamy approach if you've never used any program like these before, and just dawdle with semi-made-up data, like if you have a few hobby text files. Not "asdfasfdsgsdgds", but for example I have a collection of fortune cookies, and another file on tv actor info. So then you can see what "real" data looks like, dreamily.

Then softly begin to wonder "would I want a program to do X"? Sometimes it's possible, sometimes it's not.

And then slowly keep an eye out for what you think is a "killer feature" that you "just must have". That can often break a tie when two programs have slightly different sets of annoyances, but if one has the killer feature, it wins the tiebreak.

Does that make sense to y'all? It's what got me through testing about 10 of these programs to a finalist I am quite happy with for a decent time now.


129  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: how can I do this in excel? on: March 24, 2015, 12:58:56 PM
oh I see now
well, not exactly what I was looking for
but it is a good suggestion to replace the index from an xls file to a html file

1) I don't understand how the html file is produced from the excel file
2) Also, I don't understand, how the Href tag works.
3) And how the html file can 'know' its url and thus search for the specific files in that directory.

Can you explain these things to me please?

Also, couldn't we embed that html file into an excel document, so that when I download the excel file, it will display inside the html index?
Or isn't it possible to make an excel file that will open the html index and convert the links into the correct ones? ie. the filenames with the path of the current web folder?

Let's look at those in slightly different order.

The html file source looks like this:  (Modified for this post!) (And that URL tag is not in there!)

<HTML>      <BR>
<Body>      <BR>
      <BR>
      <BR>
   <A Href="a.txt"> Top important file for Kalos!! - a.txt [/url]    <BR>
   <A Href="b.txt"> b.txt [/url]    <BR>
   <A Href="c.txt"> c.txt [/url]    <BR>
      <BR>
      <BR>
</Body>      <BR>
</Html>      

So for #3, because it is in the same folder as the files, it "just knows" because it's assuming it's in the same folder, and it is. A slightly fancier way to say it is that it is just what basic spec web behavior is - look in the same folder until you tell it to look anywhere else.

For #2, "Anchor" is the A letter, and that too "just is" - it's the raw command to produce a link. It basically says "look here for the file" but then "display the link like whatever comes next". The middle half is basically any text you want to put there.

Then it just closes the link so the computer knows it's done.

BR is a line break.

I didn't spend any time putting any fancy header text on there, but once the basics work, you can fiddle with that later.

For #1, How it is produced, it's basically the right couple of columns of the excel file copied wholesale and pasted into the text html file. Notice for later you can put other things in the excel file you don't need to copy over. That's for another day.

So once you get going, you just paste the list of files in the left couple of columns, and the right side is supposed to automatically concatenate them together to produce your index file.

"Also, couldn't we embed that html file into an excel document, so that when I download the excel file, it will display inside the html index?
Or isn't it possible to make an excel file that will open the html index and convert the links into the correct ones? ie. the filenames with the path of the current web folder?"

These make less sense. You were saying a big restriction was you couldn't load a lot of stuff up on that server. So the excel file is down on your machine where you're working on it. So you're not downloading it anywhere - you already have it on your machine. And you really can't try to embed the excel file inside the html one - that starts to get way out of hand. The production flow runs the other way. Your excel file is your "engine" that does all your work, and "12 clicks later" you have a simple html index. As long as that html index is in the same folder as the files, it shouldn't need a full path - that's what you wanted earlier, flexibility to move the files and not break the index.

And don't try to "super optimize it" to save 1 step - that just makes it get all messy! Once you get the proof of concept working like tomos was saying, it really is as easy as "drop file list into excel, copy right few columns of excel, open text file, control-v paste and save" and it's done. Fast and ruthless.

The other guys are right that later you'll want a parallel investigation into content systems, but this was supposed to get "this month's problems" solved in under a day once you get the idea, and then you can grind out a more thorough review of a few different content systems and maybe even get your IT guy or someone to engage a thorough test.

Does that help?






130  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: how can I do this in excel? on: March 24, 2015, 10:46:50 AM
how exactly that html tag works?

is it the equivalent for 'search in the same directory' for hyperlinks of local files?

how actually the xls 'knows' its web folder and that html tag links the hyperlinks to the same folder?

I don't get the mechanism

can anyone explain me please

guys, it doesn't work

I uploaded a.txt, b.txt, c.txt to my server
I also uploaded index.xls in the same web folder

I am not sure what to write inside the xls file though
it cannot allow me to enter <A Href="c.txt"> c.txt in a cell as a hyperlink
it converts it to %3cA%20Href=%22c.txt%22%3e%20c.txt
what exactly the xls index file need to contain?
any hint?

Kalos,
You're asking about making an index.
But you might have missed something I was saying.
The index is a web file produced from half of the excel file.

So upload Excel Produced Index.html to that server and try those links.

The Excel file has a lot of components that aren't actually links - it assembles the links which you just copy and paste over into a text web file. That web file is your index. The links aren't directly live in the excel file.



131  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: how can I do this in excel? on: March 24, 2015, 10:41:03 AM
he's given you a template file - all you need is to test it with one linked file to see if it works in practice.

^when you've done that^ you can worry about whether you need an app to list files (the "directory reader")

Tomos, the process I designed is meant to tie right in to a dir reader because it produces the complete index list of folders all at once - so he will need it pretty quickly. Part of the point is the dir reader "can't lie" vs typing them in by hand. So for example if there are client names, and he enters them by hand, and one of them is something like Schaefeirmann, whoever is doing data entry by hand will get that wrong 3 times out of 10, whereas the dir reader produces a "cold facts" dump where it cannot be wrong with random spelling errors. That's part of the system I designed.

^ I'm actually very interested in the process you describe. My point was that he try it with one or two ('manually') linked files first to see if it works - a proof of concept - then he could look at setting up the more complex system.

@kalos, it seems to me it would be a good idea if you showed your manager a few of the replies here - or the whole of the two threads. They might reconsider.

Sure Tomos, the "three file test" is what I began with here. The excel file needs nothing but a file name, and then it creates the links itself.

Then he would just run a directory reader for the real thing, and those file names already come out in a list, so he'd copy and paste those instead.

The big bug to fix doing the whole thing is that there's two lines at the bottom of the excel that go /body and /html that would have to just be moved down to the bottom of his list.

132  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: how can I do this in excel? on: March 24, 2015, 01:37:02 AM

I think you're right as it begins to scale.

So maybe there's a two step process.

My method can get him going, and then his company team can investigate which longer term CMS they want to use.

133  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: WinPatrol going subscription on: March 23, 2015, 10:11:25 PM

I think what we're all reacting to is that it's not a planned strategy from day 1, but it gives off the vibe of being X, then much later the developer (notice with way too little timeline warning) say "oh, by the way, I'm broke, next month I'll do X".

That's what feels like the rip off. If people want to do cool projects, then let them stay cool projects. If you think you can't hold on forever, then plan that in the campaign.

But unfortunately "bait and switch" however naively implemented is abusive.

134  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: how can I do this in excel? on: March 23, 2015, 08:39:15 PM
he's given you a template file - all you need is to test it with one linked file to see if it works in practice.

^when you've done that^ you can worry about whether you need an app to list files (the "directory reader")

Tomos, the process I designed is meant to tie right in to a dir reader because it produces the complete index list of folders all at once - so he will need it pretty quickly. Part of the point is the dir reader "can't lie" vs typing them in by hand. So for example if there are client names, and he enters them by hand, and one of them is something like Schaefeirmann, whoever is doing data entry by hand will get that wrong 3 times out of 10, whereas the dir reader produces a "cold facts" dump where it cannot be wrong with random spelling errors. That's part of the system I designed.

Kalos, my experts here can let me know if there's any internal command in Excel that can do this. But consider for example if my test has three test files in it, then you do it for real and now there's 140 files in the folder, the Excel file and the related export index has no idea they are there. So it has to get the list from somewhere.

135  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: how can I do this in excel? on: March 23, 2015, 08:35:18 PM
so TaoPhoenix, sorry but your posts are a bit hard to follow
so do I need anything else apart from the xls index file and the files themselves?
I think you mention something about a program that will perform a dir command to that folder?
but I need to have command line access to the web server, right?

I think this is a valid point.

It doesn't have to be command line access per se - the example I created used a Windows program called Karen Directory Reader.

Those files with the long names are there because they are *in the folder*. So if you don't want them in the index, you'd take them out of that specific folder and put them somewhere else like a "tools folder".

So then when you are happy that only the files you want indexed are there and no more, you will get what you want.

136  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: how can I do this in excel? on: March 23, 2015, 01:30:11 PM
man that looks amazing! thanks!

so I only have to hyperlink the files with <A Href="c.txt"> ?

and I am done?

Even better!

(I make up a lot of my own terms.)

The excel file is "modular" - the different cells contain fragment portions of a full link. So notice that in a link the part of
<A Href="

never changes
So that fragment just lives in its own column

Then you take a program of the "directory reader" type to generate a complete list of all files in a folder. There's basically no limit. So that program produces:

a.txt
b.txt
c.txt
DirRead PreProcessIndex1.txt

That's the only data that changes. So you just paste that into the excel shell.

Then the rest of it closes the link and puts the <BR> line break in there.

Then it just "concatenate smashes" the fragments together into a right side column that's what you copy out.

Then you just copy the right side of the generator into a text file that becomes valid html.

Theoretically you could even access the links from inside the excel file but it's not so bad to have that minor protection of "fat thumb proofing" so you can email that index file or something and your master excel doesn't get damaged.

Hooray for low level hacks!
 Thmbsup

Plus if accounting or management or someone on those sideways levels get involved, the way the process is designed, you can do basic version control so you can report to your manager that "hey, we had 147 files last March but even though we have 153 now, one of them got deleted - check if it has a valid deletion code on a report or something".



137  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: how can I do this in excel? on: March 23, 2015, 01:09:03 PM
no, the files are not stored locally! they are only in the web server!

I agree, look carefully at my links.

I meant something like a "soft link" or a "relative link".


"http://www.freevoteusa.com/Zexcel1/a.txt" is what I call a "hard link". That's the one that breaks when you move a file.

But look at the source:
<A Href="c.txt"> c.txt [/url]
(That /URL thing is not in the code - the board keeps adding that)
So wherever you move the files, you don't need to update the index because it "finds" the files wherever they are in the same folder! That's what I thought you were looking for.

The only time you'd need to update the index is when new actual files are added.

And I agree these are webfiles. My example is my hobby web server. They are not on my c drive.

Does that explain things more?
138  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: how can I do this in excel? on: March 23, 2015, 11:59:16 AM
Something like this:

Random files:

a.txt
b.txt
c.txt

The html "excel generated" indexer
folder 1
http://www.freevoteusa.co...l%20Produced%20Index.html

Then someone moves the files
So you move the index to the new folder too.
http://www.freevoteusa.co...l%20Produced%20Index.html

It's the same index file

It's created by a "universal index creator" excel sheet. You do a drive read to get file names, drop them into the excel file, then copy and paste into a text html document. It doesn't matter then if the files travel into new folders because the index is "local" like I think you want it.

Is that close?


139  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: how can I do this in excel? on: March 23, 2015, 11:11:11 AM
There's some "medium tech" solutions here, but I am thinking of one of my low level hacks.
: )

Last I understood, the excel file is like an "index" to stuff in the folder.

So not counting things like minor diffs between excel I don't currently have and Libre Office, I do think you can do this, "look locally in a folder" by doing a type of "double processor" where one cell grabs the full "hardlink" downloaded or not, then does something like Right$ reading right to left and dumping the rest because the final file name isn't changing but only the initial path.

Maybe I can whack something together as a demo.

I used to do a lot of this kind of thing, so your manager isn't wholly wrong, the question is whether we can "connect all the pieces".

140  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: The Dreams thread... on: March 23, 2015, 01:47:27 AM

Bumping this.

It came up in the chat room tonight and might amuse me in some coming nights.

I have had vivid dreams before too.

141  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Note/Idea taking software! on: March 22, 2015, 09:03:18 PM
hulkbuster, there are already any number of threads on DC about notetaking!  If you only want notes, not reminders, you might look at MemPad (free) or CintaNotes (free and payware versions), both of them portable.

(Joke)
Hi!
I am looking for a good program to manage all the threads on note taking software!
smiley
142  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: MxNitro Browser on: March 22, 2015, 09:01:21 PM

I haven't worried about how fast pages load in ten years, so I don't get that metric. To me there's ten other issues to argue about over browsers besides speed.

143  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Microsoft is retiring Internet Explorer on: March 22, 2015, 08:59:54 PM
Bye bye to IE.

http://www.usatoday.com/s...project-spartan/24909091/

Quote
Microsoft sends Internet Explorer to tech's scrapheap

SAN FRANCISCO — It's the end of the line for Internet Explorer.

The much maligned browser that battled Netscape to guide people around the World Wide Web was consigned to history this week by Microsoft, joining Palm Pilots, flip phones and Myspace as relics of a distant digital age.

A staple of the Internet for nearly two decades, the Explorer brand will be replaced by a flashier, speedier browser codenamed Project Spartan that will run on phones, tablets and personal computers but is expressly made for a new era of mobile devices.

Junking the Explorer brand is part of a new game plan at Microsoft. CEO Satya Nadella is determined to remake the aging technology giant as an innovator rather than a follower.

Even when it debuted, Explorer was a me-too product. Browser pioneer Netscape Navigator was the world's first commercial Web browser. It ignited the Internet boom and had already transformed how people roamed the Web. Even the Explorer name was derived from Navigator.

"Explorer was never a cool brand," Silicon Valley futurist Paul Saffo says. "It's like one step from AOL."

More at the link.

I wonder if they'll continue to make it available, or for how long. A lot of people depend on IE.

A big part of things is the divide between branding and the backbone.

Part of me giggles about an alternate universe story where Windows 9 exists. "Mommy! Mommy! Microsoft is contributing millions to education! See, I can count! 7,8,10!"

I've seen varying rumbles on whether the backbone is still Trident or a new engine. Also unclear is the compatibility. So if people "need IE", it's the open question of whether Spartan will run whatever.

Someone else was rumbling about whether the brand change lets them try to ditch some ancient clunker code. But back from IE6 days, sometimes apps were optimized to use that clunker code just to get the app to work.

144  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Windows 10 Announced on: March 22, 2015, 10:41:58 AM
If you have a spare hard disk and sufficiently sized pen drive laying around, feel free to download a trial iso of Windows 8(.1), create a boot-able pen drive using that iso (Rufus is one of the easiest tools I know), disconnect your main hard disk, connect the spare hard disk and start installing.

There is no surer way to test if your system is able to handle a new OS. And by disconnecting your main hard disk you won't make any (unintentional) changes to your main OS. After you are done testing...disconnect the spare hard disk and reconnect your main hard disk and you are ready to roll again in the comforts of your trusted OS.

Well,

besides the work involved, I also really don't believe in anything but the final real thing. So that's why I liked the quick 15 min test with cpu z.

MS moves stuff around and edge cases happen too much for me to get involved with anything before the final rollout.

145  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Windows 10 Announced on: March 21, 2015, 10:03:04 PM
(see attachment in previous post)
Windows 10: Will your PC run it?   ZDNet

This is for the people who are not running Win 10 now, but who expect to be when it is finished.

Of all the options, ... "install Win 8.1" and stuff ... no.

But I think I like the prelim encouragement by this snip:

"Download and run a handy utility called CPU-Z. Look under Instructions and if you see SSE2, EM64T (indicates the processor has support for PAE) and either VT-d or VT-x (which is what's needed for NX support) then you're ready to rock."

... And mine does. So other things could go wrong, but that's promising!

146  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Windows 10 Announced on: March 21, 2015, 05:25:16 PM
Windows 10 makes disabling UEFI Secure Boot optional:

http://www.extremetech.co...t-other-operating-systems

That is to say, Microsoft required an option to disable Secure Boot previously, but now that option is optional with Windows 10, meaning some hardware may not allow you to install non-Secure Boot OSes.

Classic MS.

I'm missing my meme for when lately "tin foil hat people" are proving to be right a few times.

So they do some 2-3 step process. "Yeah, we put in this tech that can hardware lock our OS on there without you installing your own. But don't worry, it will be required to have a disable option."

Later:
"Oh look, now we made that *optional* for the OEM's." Ahem ... for nice sums of cash to the OEM or something.

And now it keeps putting cognitive burdens on even medium savvy customers who just go down to Best Buy and buy a box and have their ISO all ready ... and only later their tech expert buddy tells them it's hardware locked. And I'm aching to know what error message that throws up! Who decides the error message? MS? The OEM?


And what do stores do for return policies? Can you imagine the rage of that medium-savvy customer who bought a box for *nix, later finds out it's locked, then the mean store managers tell them "sorry, we don't refund for that. The machine is working perfectly".

I wonder if there's legal ground for one of those "fit for a purpose" type cases. I forget all the three types, but it's just ringing a bell.

147  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Windows 10 will be free for "genuine and non-genuine" users on: March 21, 2015, 03:17:27 PM
It's one of those funny MS moves. "You can upgrade, because we want you to feel teh shinyness, but it won't be legit".

What's 'funny' (and not as in funny ha-ha) is that Microsoft is refusing to comment on what the differences will be experienced by the user of a legitimate vs. non-legitimate license.

It's very weird all the way around. If you aren't legit, you can upgrade, but it won't be a real upgrade and we refuse to tell you why it won't be considered to be or what the ramifications of that will be.

First of all yes, I didn't mean haha, I meant "playing a very complicated game".

If it's "proven" (and let's pass for a moment on false positives) as a non-legit copy, that gives them room to do all kinds of weird things to the very limits they think their $1000/hr legal team thinks they can get away with.

But what?

Is MS allowed by law to install their own custom spyware and snoop the address/other contact info of a "non-legit" user? Could they then wrap all of that into a package with a bowtie and feed it to a police force?

So then it gets all meta - why would a non-legit user WANT to upgrade? What do they get out of it? Wouldn't they sniff out that there's got to be a trap in there somewhere?



148  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Windows 10 will be free for "genuine and non-genuine" users on: March 21, 2015, 12:38:26 PM

Yeah I saw this headline on slashdot.

It's one of those funny MS moves. "You can upgrade, because we want you to feel teh shinyness, but it won't be legit".

149  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Windows 10 will be free for "genuine and non-genuine" users on: March 19, 2015, 10:13:31 PM
The way I read it, from one of the UK magazines, was that the upgrade was automatic provided that you had automatic Windows updates turned on.  In other words, you wouldn't get a disk.

I can see why Microsoft is doing it that way, but I really don't relish having to spend x amount of time installing Crusty-OS v1.0 in order to just sit and wait y amount of time while Teh-New-N-Shiny v2.0 downloads to install over the top leaving crusty, non-tasty bits all around your hard drive.

No no no!
The new OS is your nice salad and the other bits are croutons!
 cheesy
150  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Windows 10 Announced on: March 19, 2015, 10:12:10 PM

I haven't really kept up with the build news.

But I'm encouraged a couple people are saying they managed to tighten some code so it has a chance to run on older machines.

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