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General Software Discussion / CD Bank Cataloguer abandoned?
« on: April 26, 2007, 06:01 PM »
I'm a for-the-most-part very happy user of CD Bank Cataloguer by Qunom software. I've been using it for around 7 or 8 months now. Several months ago I tried going to the developer's site (which was there when I bought the software) only to find their domain expired and was for sale by the registrar.

Not a good sign.

So months later, today actually, I check again to find the same thing. Does anyone else here have CD Bank Cataloguer or know anything about what may have happened? I know the latest version is still available at most popular download sites, but I'm not very interested in abandoned software if it's not going to be updated anymore. I can't even find an email address other than @qonum.com to contact them about the product.

I've got about 1/2 of my gigantic CD/DVD collection entered and categorized, but I'm still using a freaking Alpha build since they were supposed to release the next version some time ago and then... who knows... took a long vacation, got sick, went broke, or maybe just changed names and isn't getting good enough google results for me to find them yet.

A bit frustrating. Especially now that there's other similar software which is actually being updated, but which I didn't buy yet. I suppose, score one for reasons to go with a commercial developer, heh. But that's the risk you take I guess. I prefer supporting smaller developers who are active and pay attention to their user base. Being that this forum is made up of people like that, I'm hoping maybe someone can be of assistance.

If not, can anyone recommend better cataloging software for CDs/DVDs (eg. that allows you to keep an organized database of all discs and all files on the discs so you can search through them all without needing to insert each one)? Thanks everyone!

Ben

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Vista, Stability, Case In Point

Sam & Max Episode 2 crashed once in a while when exiting in Windows XP and I'd have to reset my computer, even with Catalyst (ATI's display driver control software) set to automatically recover if the driver crashed (which I did not know was the case for sure). I'd get a BSOD and then after restarting see a dialog from Windows saying that "one of my drivers had stopped responding" or something along those lines. Non-specific is my point, I figured video, but wasn't sure.

Earlier today, I installed the new episode of Sam & Max. Sure enough, when I exited the game, the screen went blank for a couple seconds, and moments later I was back at the desktop in my native resolution and Vista put an icon in the system tray with a baloon announcing that my R300 display driver had crashed and has been restarted.

Not that it's amazing, and the next step I suppose would be making an interface that cannot send any commands which would crash the driver in the first place, or not certifying drivers that have the capacity to crash, but I guess that wouldn't leave many left over anyway. But for now I'm happy with Vista at least saving me some frustration.

Anyway, back to playing Indian Poker with the Toy Mafia....

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I'm flattered, the possibility of having the longest post on DC, and only on my 54th post. Imagine the possibilities... *DC server quivers*

But nudone, I agree; An experienced user can, I'd guess, get things done probably almost equally as fast on any NT platform (well, from 5 on up) because it performs essentially every function that, to most people, an operating system should perform. Vista is most assuredly not an essential purchase, at least not at this point, for any application that I can think of. It's just sort of a "user experience makeover," or something along those lines, for SP2 with a bunch of extra software thrown in which already did have 3rd party alternatives available which most of us probably already have.

But it's the latest and greatest, and as much as I would like to deny falling for the hype, it does feel really shiny and new. I've been trying to tweak the hell out of XP for several years now to try and get just the right blend of barebones windows services and 3rd party replacement apps for all sorts of default programs, and I think it's kind of neat that Microsoft finally started just including a lot of the functionality into the operating system where it will probably run faster and definitely run cleaner than a 3rd party drop-in replacement. I'm all for installing the minimum amount of software necessary, or else Windows tends to slowly diminish in speed as more things are installed and uninstalled.

One thing I'm pissed about is that I just bought Tune-Up Utilities 2007 right when it came out, apparently without reading about the Vista compatibility statement in enough detail, so after a couple months of enjoying the best tools around I'm stuck until they release my "free upgrade" to Vista compatibility.  :'(  Oh well, I guess if Vista really needed tuning up already a lot of the stuff I said up there would become sort of comical... but Tune-Up's also still pretty shiny and new, and I miss it.

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As a small testament to its ease of use, I could not find where to launch the sidebar from after you close it, so I tried typing 'sidebar' in the start menu and it immediately launched. Now that is an unexpected convenience. Though that still doesn't tell me where the shortcut is  :huh:

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*ahem* And the kicker, a biased review from someone enjoying their Vista experience.... me!

I'm just catching up on this whole discussion now, so please forgive the length of my post. I know I'm probably gonna catch some flak for this, but I really like Vista overall, and I am rather enjoying using it. Don't get me wrong, I too have issues with some aspects of the OS, but I think regardless that it was the inevitable and logical next step for MS. They could have done some things differently without a doubt, and other choices were just downright wrong, but Windows has a HUGE user base and trying to please such a diverse and ever-expanding group of people doing god knows what with their software means they can no longer just focus on supporting new devices or adding new functionality, because there is more than that to compete with now, and simply more to live up to in this ever-evolving new generation of computing which is largely visual-based. I have good hardware, but, regardless, I do get better performance in Vista even with most default services enabled than I ever did with Windows XP x64 Edition. Booting up takes a surprisingly small amount of time, then before you know it the pleasant login screen fades into view. And, it sure doesn't hurt that the whole OS looks great too.

Regarding Vista's Art, Appearance, Accessibility, and Security
Windows had never been much for eye candy until Windows XP introduced themes. 6 years or so later, all those people that eagerly gobbled up Luna so long ago that have sat staring at it for all this time are hungry for more. Naturally their expectations rise with each passing year ("They must be doing SOMETHING big"), and today it's all too easy to find features and functionality in a Mac, or even with open source software. It's not enough to be the biggest or richest company anymore, because even groups of volunteers and medium-sized development teams can roll out new technology and support new features, and usually produce more frequent updates to boot. But can they capture the hearts of today's hip new-millennium youngsters and entrepreneurs by hiring on major production-quality art direction and then shoving it in everyone's faces with really expensive marketing? I think not. But MS can. How impressed would the average consumer be to walk into Best Buy and find a white box (or even a blue box with clouds, heh) labeled Windows Vista listing all the new specifications it supports or how the API is changing or technical features like ASPM? Probably not very; they'd probably still sell a lot of copies I'm sure, but from a marketing standpoint it would be better to tout lesser features that more people care about than better features that less people know about or know what to do with before they try it. Those that shell out a bit more for the Ultimate edition (which might be needed for some of the features I just listed, too) also get extra programs released by Microsoft periodically, which I suppose are essentially glorified power toys (and there's only a couple so far), but one cool thing is that they are checked for and included in Windows Updates.

Driver support is an issue, as it usually is in a new operating environment, but Microsoft sure as hell did better at getting companies to make their devices work on Vista than they did with XP x64. Many companies didn't even admit the release of x64, even after it was available in retail computers and as an OEM product. But this time around almost everything was installed before I even saw the desktop and even things that weren't included were detected and displayed properly and just needed drivers. Nvidia and ATI and many other major brands are already fully certified (and ATI's installer got a nice upgrade in the process, maybe as a result :-) ). Even Logitech released certified SetPoint software already whereas they took a number of months to release a production version for XP x64. In fact, the only thing I upgraded in my computer before installing Vista was my power supply (and that was because I simply didn't have enough wattage before either and just got a new job), and all of my hardware at least works right now. Creative is lagging a bit behind and is only offering beta drivers, and only of the Audio Console and drivers, not of their software, etc, but it still fully works and I'm using OpenAL in all my games that support it. I went through hell getting Steam to work; it turned out that while trying to troubleshoot the problem, when I enabled Compatibility Mode for XP SP2, I caused another problem which kept me from thinking the first problem was fixed and... well, it was a long night for sure. But it's fine now.

Maybe they went a little overboard with Aero and 3d acceleration in their interface, but it's only optional and they still offer a themeless mode that looks and acts quite a bit like previous versions of Windows, even a lot of properties windows look like they used to if you disable themes. Though I quickly took to Aero and now use it whenever I'm not playing games. I think graphics hardware is to a point now where any program has the potential of being "enhanced" with effects, filters, 3d models, etc. and it's just a question of if the enhancements make sense, and of course that they don't hinder performance. I have not noticed one bit of sluggishness since I got Vista (Ok, aside from the first time I tried installing Steam and it locked up the OS for about 15 minutes on-and-off before crashing to the familiar NT bluescreen) while using all effects, transparency, etc. Granted I have 2 GB of memory and a dual-core Athlon, but those are not uncommon specs today. I think that, too, was inevitable and it was just a matter of when during the maturing of graphics hardware and software would it not be stupid to use a significant chunk of resources to make the user's experience more pleasant. Well, I'd say that's when the technology is advanced enough to where it has plenty of resources to spare while doing almost any task. Well, I think that time is right now for most hardware... with DirectX 9 and the newer generations of video cards there have been huge strides in performance, quality, capacity, and a slew of cool new features, so I say why not at least give the user an option to utilize some of that smokin' chunk of juicy, waiting resources while browsing the web or checking email, or, you know, doing otherwise-non-graphically-intensive things. I mean, nobody's losing anything with all the new polish, because you can just turn it all off (very easily). But, if you think about it, technically they were to blame for not offering an option to turn them ON before. :huh:

And sure, all this over-hyped security and accessibility is laughable from the point of someone who knows what they're doing (For instance, because I never download or install suspicious files, what good are a bunch of extra system checks or monitors or pop-up confirmations?), but in an age where people hear about the latest worm going around on the evening news, can't you just picture the whiteboard in one of MS's development offices as they list hurdles to overcome in creating a stable operating environment for today's masses? Whether or not it's the fault of the Operating system, whenever some random virus or malicious program infects the computer of a non-tech-savvy consumer in today's media-saturated culture, I'm sure many of them immediately chalk it up to whatever they were running at the time (Windows). If MS is going to intensely market Vista's stability, then they have to somehow make it so that if someone's going to infect their machine by doing something stupid, they do it as a conscious decision, thus making it obvious (by force) that it's not the OS. Of course that's just one view. Personally, the first thing I did when I installed Vista was disable most of the security features (Windows Firewall, Windows Defender, IE's new enhanced security mode, etc.) After all, why put my software through all those extra intermediate services when I've got a hardware router/firewall and all my local software is valid and known clean anyway?

One thing I do actually really enjoy in Vista is the new layout, and the settings and navigation changes, and seeing all your negative reactions to it disheartens me a bit, because I feel that basically every feature I have had to search around for was simply because old versions of Windows worked differently... not because it's illogical or a bad decision by MS. On the contrary, I think MS spent a huge amount of time, effort, and money to simplify things and design things in a logical and "human" sort of way. Sure, you might not know how to quickly get to certain features at first because they were a simple icon in the control panel (however foreign those icons looked to non-technical users) or properties box and are now seemingly nested deeper in, meaning that a path has to be taken to get to it. But that's the thing: why not categorize and organize everything in a logical (not necessarily so to the person still used to the old way) and hierarchal way so that new users don't have to look at everything jumbled together or located in several different sections on the computer, and then provide more ways for both new and experienced users to find and utilize the options they already know they're looking for (for example, the new search/run bar in the start menu, where you can simply type the name of the program you want to run, sort of like a much less configurable or powerful version of FARR built right into the shell)? I look at it from the standpoint that they wanted to do things better rather than continue along the same path of previous versions even if that meant doing things differently and having to make users get used to something new. Some features are really quite convenient, such as the fact that a lot of old properties windows are now integrated into an explorer-type interface (and therefore have back/forward buttons, address bar, a sidebar to list history and related links, etc.)

Another thing I like is how aesthetically pleasing everything looks and feels, and how everything blends together and looks great without taking your attention away from what you're doing (especially using one of the dark themes, like the default one). No more little blocks inside progress bars, no more big explanations and unnecessary details about messages and other events unless chosen or requested, no more opening dialogs on top of dialogs on top of dialogs to get to a specific setting, etc. It's all truly simple, but you have to think about it logically and forget what you knew about finding those things in old versions. Because there probably is an easier way utilizing the search bar or a shorter path to take to get there than going to the control panel (since that's the logical all-inclusive main hub for settings, organizing it makes it actually useful to people who don't already know about the options in the control panel, even if there are actually a few more clicks involved) Even in the new Windows installation program they have actually taken out a lot of the unnecessary details, and they removed the whole user setup and other dialogs during installation and instead wait until the first logon (which makes an incredibly greater amount of sense than waiting for the user to set a bunch of non-essential options before the installer will even finish... what if the user doesn't want to sit there and wait and doesn't know about unattended installations?). I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, but it just seems like they finally said "I don't care what we did in the past, let's just do it right." It takes change to make change, and I do not think Windows has ever been done completely right. But I think it's still moving in the right direction. Plus Microsoft has a lot of new opportunities than in years past to offer direct upgrades and enhancements over the Internet after the fact, and I think once they see the general response of consumers to certain positive and negative aspects, they'll have a good idea of what people want changed, are not willing to accept, or just how to do things better. Vista ventures out in a lot of directions that Microsoft hasn't really travelled in, at least nearly as much, in the past. Back to the visuals, for example... it's not the cleanest thing around, but I think I like the new look of Vista better than I like the look of any other theme in any other operating system I've ever tried.

They also included a lot more in-the-box than previous versions of Windows. Their new alt+tab options pretty much make my copy of TopDesk unnecessary. The new backup software (yes, the one that's not compatible with backups made in XP apparently) now has the ability to schedule and automate (though I still use and prefer Backup4all). The Task Manager now tells you the title of the process instead of just the process name, something most Task Manager replacements have been doing for a while and something MS should have done long ago to make people less confused when they have to end or investigate a process. Windows Update can now download the Recommended updates automatically (or manually) along with Priority ones via the Windows interface for those who don't like browsing to a website to get updates. The sidebar works well, rendering my old widgets engine (that I never used much anyway) completely useless. Their inclusion of Windows Defender is I'm sure a pretty big deal for non-technical consumers who need but wouldn't otherwise download protection from spyware and other malicious software. Windows Live Messenger is a lot cooler than old versions of MS's messenger, although I'm sticking with Trillian 3.1 Pro for now until Trillian Astra is released, which I hope is soon.

My point is that I think most users have the Windows version of highway hypnosis... we've been staring at the same thing for so long that we're entranced by it  :) and change is a bit frustrating, because we don't like feeling like novice users when we were experts just hours before and for years past. But I for one am quite happy that sticking with Windows doesn't mean having to look at beige dialogs from my childhood any longer. And as new settings and configurations need to find homes in the control panel, I know I won't need to scan past 30 or 40 icons to find it. I have always wanted a mac for its beauty and design, and because I was just sick of Windows, but no matter what its current flaws, I think Vista goes to show that Microsoft can actually move forward... that with their essentially limitless power in creating an operating system they actually did want (strive even) to give users a great experience. Because even if that's not the most important thing to focus on, it logically must be focused on at some point in any software's development cycle, because all of the huge features that you wanted to include originally have already been taken care of, and other operating systems are being released; how long did you think Microsoft was really going to drag their feet before delving in to try and capture more of the crowd? If you think about it, a lot of the "new" features that Vista comes with were just recently released in XP SP2 (probably to pave the way) or on Microsoft's website, so we kind of got a lot of the spoilers (IE7 (bleh), Windows Firewall, Windows Defender, Windows Media Player 11, the Security Center, etc.) before it was even released, making them mundane now, and making the other, less important but actually NEW features seem like the biggest deal, but the other features are there none-the-less and that's one less step I have to take to improve the computer's security after installing Windows.

One thing I just learned from this topic, however, was that the upgrade can't be installed on a clean drive, and that makes me feel cheated. I can live with it, because at the worst case I'll just need to waste a little time installing x64 first if I format my drive, but since I keep Windows and its direct relatives on the C drive by itself, I can still format my temp partitions, programs, games, and data drives and then just format C: from the Vista installer. But that does suck. Why would putting in my freaking x64 CD not be enough? I think I'll still have to try it for myself someday, maybe they released my particular Ultimate 64bit OEM Upgrade with the ability to verify the other disc. But I doubt it.... since it's an UPGRADE meant for system builders, Microsoft probably expects (or enforces) that it be installed over the old version since the OS has to come pre-installed on computers that use OEM software because of its license. But still... I did pay about $200 for a freakin' OEM upgrade, the least they could have done was include the ability to install directly to a new/wiped hard drive. Isn't having to call Microsoft for reactivation after re-installing a few times enough of a burden already? Oh well, I'm still having a good time exploring around Vista and tweaking my software in it. The translucent borders in Aero are truly beautiful to look at, especially when there are other windows or patterns underneath. Then, in a Zen-like fashion, if you maximize the window it is no longer translucent and you are seeing both the task bar and title bar in pure fashion.

OK, back to working on my Steam mod... if anyone actually reads this whole post (or even just part of it and therefore not this sentence anyway), let me know why you agree/disagree. I wonder if I'm really the only DC user who's having a blast in Vista? Until next time...

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pretends to be an antivirus tool that runs periodic "updates" which are really phorp calls.

That is so cool. Someone has been breaking in to my house and taking things for the past year or so, and the police haven't been able to do anything about it. When I leave for work, running this would not only help if it were stolen, but possibly help in locating the culprit behind it (or proving his guilt rather since I pretty much know who it is).

I had just heard about this type of program recently while visiting my mother, as she manages an online high school here in Wisconsin which recently spent a lot on a solution offering the same basic functionality (albeit that it's probably an enterprise-class solution which I believe includes 3rd party monitoring). They use it on all of the laptops they send to their students to help make sure they get them back after the class is over. I thought it sounded pretty cool, but put it out of my mind until I read about your app. Nice!

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Find And Run Robot / Re: FARR v2.00.01 ALPHA PREVIEW Release
« on: December 23, 2006, 02:42 PM »
mouser,

I'd love to play around with the new version of FARR! Could I have a download link as well (when you upload the new beta is fine :D)? Thanks!

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General Software Discussion / Re: O&O Defragmenter 8.5
« on: December 18, 2006, 03:41 PM »
merle1,

I didn't notice much of a difference when going from v 8 to v 8.5 (which was at least a few months ago), and it was a free minor version update, so I don't think there are any earth-shattering changes. O&O Defrag 8 in general however, if you have not used it, is absolutely outstanding!  :Thmbsup:

I think the most likely back-end changes to any defrag software are optimizations to any number of its system-intensive functions, such as the various types of analysis and data layout options, as well as the defragmentation process itself. Most of the time such changes go unnoticed by casual users, and a lot of times UI changes are the ones that stand out as a result.

I think in order to be worth paying for an upgrade to defrag software should either introduce new features, or provide a substantial improvement to the usability or performance.

One feature I'd love to see in a future version of O&O is a graphical layout builder where you can arrange the drive's data and then carry out a defrag based on the generated file. Currently you can use a layout file but must create it manually and there isn't abundant information about the steps required to do so. If that's a part of the next version, it'll be an upgrade I'll get for sure.

Regarding O&O vs PerfectDisk:
I tested O&O and PerfectDisk a year or so ago, and thought they both were about equal as far as features and performance. After having used O&O ever since, I recently downloaded the new PerfectDisk evaluation and tested it out. I was surprised to find the interface was noticeably laggier than O&O, didn't look quite as polished, and it took almost twice as long to analyze my drives to boot! At that point my PD re-evaluation was over and my faith in O&O reaffirmed.

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I wish I could find a decent lightweight (read: non-system-or-network-affecting) firewall whose sole purpose was to block malicious outbound connections. I have no need for software filtering of in-bound data since my router does that without any overhead, but I wouldn't mind being able to enable outbound protection in a really lightweight client when working on my PC, as a safeguard against, for instance, making a bad software installation decision and having unauthorized sensitive data get sent out, which my router of course would care less about.

Has anyone heard of or used something like this? Maybe there's a really lightweight firewall that I can just disable inbound filtering on, but I've never used one that I've found to be suited for such a purpose.

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WOW! I didn't realize that was possible. That's quite impressive. I've got it open along side 30 other tabs and it's playing perfectly. In under a minute I was fragging other visitors with cool sound effects and decent graphics. My other tabs are noticeably slower while the game is running, but it plays nice :) I'm gonna have to follow this one's development.

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That's pretty impressive, I must say.

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Sorry, didn't mean to rub it in  :D

Normally when I see software on the net over the $100 range, I can't even consider purchasing it seriously, so when I just happened to see how much BdJ marked it down, my jaw almost hit the ground. I snuck a purchase in at around 11:45 PM; I was almost out of breath by the time I submitted my order.

Anyone who hasn't done so should sign up for the Bits du Jour RSS feed at http://bitsdujour.com/blog2/wordpress/?feed=rss2 to avoid missing any future ridiculously-large discounts available!
(Which I am viewing thanks to the Great Software List's recommendation of FeedDemon)  :)

Ben

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Found Deals and Discounts / Re: Ashampoo Burning Studio 2007
« on: December 03, 2006, 11:12 PM »
Agreed. Don't necessarily fall for their giant specials without looking into them, because they usually include the previous version of most of the apps, but they are also for the most part high quality. Burning Studio is great, and small. I have most of their products. The new version of Magical Defrag looks pretty neat, and there's a pre-order special going on at http://ashampoo.com. I got the upgrade version pre-ordered for like $7.

For the record there is no Ashampoo Burning Studio 2007. The latest version is Burning Studio 6, and as previously mentioned this download is for the previous version, Burning Studio 5. It is a full version, however, if anyone hasn't tried it or just needs to burn something. Version 6 even handles BluRay discs, though I don't have such a burner nor the money to get even the discs.

Ben

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I bought this, and it's great. It feels almost like an AutoHotKey GUI, but one that's missing some key features. For $20 I couldn't have asked for a better deal, and the task of automating complex projects becomes simple when you think about it in tree form.

Best of all, it comes with Action Studio, so you can write your own actions and scripts in VBscript or JavaScript. I am working on a set of actions that integrates a bunch of small AutoHotKey functions I've been creating. When the action pack is done I'll post it (and the scripts individually) on the 'net and give everyone a link incase they have Automise or want to use the functions.

Together I can do anything I can imagine so far. I've automated the individual backup processed in my programs, along with my BackUp4All 3 tasks and the burning of the important stuff to a blank DVD. I've automated the running of Windows Updates, VersionTracker Pro, World of Warcraft Updater, IGN Downloader, Neverwinter Nights 2 Updater, GameShadow, and Steam. I've also temporarily put my ModeSwitch AHK project on hold because it was simple to create several different "modes" which completely control the programs and services running on my computer both automatically based on the active program as well as manually to the mode I set.

I also have it automatically checking the WHOIS results of the domain names we register at several registrars and combining the results into a list of domains I need to renew. At 8:30 every M-F morning it runs an AutoHotKey function to start the TimeSage clock. I then use TimeSage throughout the day, and it automatically stops the timer at 5:00 when I leave, or as soon as the computer is idle if I'm still there (making it easy to account for the entire time I was at work with an accurate timesheet, without necessarily having to remember to start and stop the timer). Automise is to an Admin Tool as Oblivion is to an RPG. It's like dropping you into a big construction set where you can pretty much roam freely and do as you please. Only with Automise you only have to do it once, then you can just set a timer or click a button (then go back to playing Oblivion).

A little late for a rave review now since the deal happened a while ago, but I've been enthralled with figuring out various AHK actions to add, and various VBscript and JavaScript functions to create (I'm not fluent in either scripting language embarrassingly). I tell you, it's a little like being a kid again and getting that big 'ol Lego set you were drooling at in the store window, but you knew it was too expensive. $20 was nothin' compared to that!  :Thmbsup:

Ben

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ProcessTamer / CPU Affinity
« on: November 29, 2006, 11:21 AM »
Mouser,

do you think it would be possible to at some point incorporate a forced CPU affinity into ProcessTamer (in the same manner as you can force a priority for a particular process)? I've got a dual-core at home and sometimes find that I want or need to change the CPU affinity on some processes.

The option only shows up if you have a dual-core or multiple CPUs, but it is a right-click option in the Task Manager to set it. I'd like to use it with ProcessTamer as I already have a number of forced priorities and it would be sweet to set the affinity automatically when opening a certain app.

I have no idea what actually goes on on the back-end but if you think it would be a possibility I'd be happy to give you any information, testing, etc. on my dual-core machine with x64 at home.

Not urgent, and maybe not even feasible, but just a thought. Thanks!

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Oh yeah, and Flash is another example... loaded from the server but it still has to load whatever it's displaying on the client side... since it's got its own format it goes way beyond JavaScript, but it's essentially similar to Ajax-like technologies in that it gets all of the data from the server and then incorporates it into the client display dynamically (often via XML, just like Ajax).

I'm speaking of this apart from the obvious client-side events such as smooth animation, etc. However the data to create those animations and everything else Flash draws comes from the server and is rendered in the client.

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JavaJones,

AJAX is able to work BECAUSE it transfers the load to the client side; current browser technology can't dynamically change data efficiently without a client side script to actually change the data in the browser. That sounds like more of a limitation than a feature.

It works by transferring small amounts of data between the server and client... essentially running a dynamic app from the server and then displaying it in the client. Without that you're limited to something like ActiveX, or static pages. JavaScript IS the client side.

With current technology I don't see any way to run such applications strictly from the server side since the client side is what displays the data. Seems to me AJAX is the closest thing to it until some truly synchronous methods become accessible without OS-specific controls.

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You can't have real applications running on some sort of website NOW, but faster internet connections and server/client integration such as AJAX puts the possibilities closer all the time. It's obviously not even close to being a viable business option, but it only takes *some* level of success and good marketing to start a trend these days, and as we can see by Microsoft's interface beef-ups, especially the new "glass" look, they tend to keep trendy. When (IF) major business software, the kind that keeps Windows afloat, start leaning towards this proposed business model, then it would only be in Microsoft's best business interests to take that and run with it. I can't even pretend to speculate when, if ever, that would happen, but it just seems... possible.

.NET seems to me like a "patch" of a new idea built into an old contept. I can only imagine that in the future .net will be a larger part of the operating system, and could potentially support "web 2.0" infrastructures. I don't think that's going to be the entire operating system, because as my posts above indicate, I'm a gamer and think that would be the worst possible thing to happen to games since... well, ever. But for business applications, many of which are already built for .NET, I would imagine the bulk of them will follow along it's development, to whatever end that may be.

I don't "really" know what I'm talking about compared to many of you I'm sure, but that's just how it looks to me.

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I think the fact that the industry will follow MS's lead doesn't exclude a future of web based applications. Since MS is the one that makes Windows, you never know what concepts they'll slowly shift toward. Maybe the entire OS will be browser-based someday, ie. everything built with the same technologies running browsers, with a pinch of Windows GUI for show. Basically the entire idea of .NET shifted several years ahead. A lot of software today is already built with internet explorer components, so it's not even too far away in a sense. I think the main difference is just the level of browser integration.

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Good point zridling. The model does sound logical from a software marketing perspective, but equally illogical from an end-user's point of view (unless one gets sucked in by all the marketing hype).

Perhaps the hope for the future of desktop software lies in the hands of freeware and shareware developers who are actually out there to provide the best product they can. I can see a possible split between two types of shareware apps: time-based upgrade policies and free-for-life upgrades.

The way I see it, the latter will be less likely to approve of a service-based model for the same reasons they chose to give their users free updates for life; because they believe in it themselves. They usually don't have a marketing department or someone whose sole purpose is to make money telling them what to do.

It wouldn't surprise me if a few years down the road most commercial software used a service-based web model to deliver the entire app. I wonder, though, what will happen to retail software in the longrun. Will companies still package the software and distribute it commercially (and therefore probably charge the same price for the package) as well as charge a service fee?

Interestingly, this all relates quite closely to the direction PC games have been headed in.

I don't know how many of the subscribers here are gamers, but the new model sounds a lot like the one used for most MMORPGs out these days. The game itself is sold online or in stores for the same price as other non-MMORPGs, but in order to play the game one must have a monthly subscription, one's character(s) and game information is stored on the company's servers, and the game obviously cannot be played offline. A year down the road, if someone's no longer forking over the monthly payment, they still have the game content but it is completely useless without the subscription service. So what do MMORPG gamers really own?

On a related topic, games in general might be headed in a similar, though much less intimidating, model which is episode-based. Several companies (eg. Valve and Ritual to name a couple),  have lately been releasing, or working on, episodic games in which the user pays a smaller (but not necessarily proportionately so) amount for each episode, which usually includes substantially less content than a full release. The selling point to gamers is that episodes are released much more often than, for instance, full sequels or new games, and that new technologies can be incorporated into the game as they become available. Gamers pay more overall to have all of the episodes, but it is partially justified in that development takes less time. While there are some large variations from a service-based model to this one, it almost seems to be the logical alternative that allows developers to get more money, and more of a constant stream of it.

My related point is that if you add a web-based distribution system to the episodes and throw in some automated billing, you've basically got a "web 2.0" game which requires one to pay regularly for the new content. The difference being that so far the episodes are entire games themselves that one can keep whether or not they are actively buying following episodes, but I wouldn't doubt that's going to change eventually, since it's ultimately the publishers who make most decisions.

My last point relating this to games are the recent "free" (or not) online games you can download that sell things from within them that players buy with real money. In some games this is in the form of "modules" that add new features for a one-time or subscription charge, and in others it's a game with a virtual economy where players pay small amounts for things like in-game clothes, houses, vehicles, weapons, etc. Basically, if you want the full experience, then the game isn't free, and isn't usually much cheaper than standard retail games, if at all.

Anyway, I'm just trying to relate the recent changes that have been going on for a while now in the gaming world to the desktop/web software world. It seems even things which wouldn't do well in a fully web 2.0 environment are capitalizing on the same underlying concept.

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I didn't look much into the conference details, so maybe they weren't really implying that a web browser is truly all a user needs, but if they were then I can't help but wonder how long the load times would be in most new 3d games if they were always streamed from the net - take Dark Messiah of Might & Magic, a new FPS coming out this month, for example; the game is 10 GB. I am downloading it from Steam, but Steam keeps a full cache of the game on the local computer at all times. Even trying to stream a game several times smaller than that would cause huge load times unless ISPs kick up their broadband speeds by several hundred percent.

Not to mention all of the underlying frameworks/technologies behind not just 3d apps, but a lot of software! Is that not physical software in itself? Are most computers not specifically designed and optimized to run integrated software applications? I think running everything out of a web browser is just silly, sort of like owning an expensive high def widescreen projection TV and watching everything out of the PIP window. Why tax the network and leave the true power of the PC untapped?

I think a better approach would be to implement automatic, streamed, silent updates (available Ajax-style rather than scheduled) to applications, drivers, etc. at the OS level. Or for any type of live data a program needs to access. Why stuff everything into the web browser when all the beneficial functions of the browser can be combined with endless possibilities of additional features, usability and accessibility options, and lets not forget what most geeks are looking for--customizability! Modding! Scripting! Automation! SPEED!

"Oh crap, the MS WebOffice 2010 servers are down again! I'll get that sales letter finished when the network clears up..."

Perhaps my scope is too small. I know web browsers will improve and web technologies will probably take over most functions, but I just hope America the world doesn't wet themselves in excitement before the technology is really mature enough to replace everything we love about real software.

-Ben

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General Software Discussion / FindAndRunRobot anywhere!
« on: October 14, 2006, 02:13 AM »
I recently acquired NagarSoft's Direct Access, and I just wanted to say that FindAndRunRobot is the perfect companion to it. I have a keyword 'find' set up to directly open FindAndRun via its exe (using its command line option to do so), which means I only have to keep Direct Access in memory rather than both, and no matter what I'm doing I can always just type 'find', hit Tab (my confirm key in Direct Access) and open FindAndRun. Together, the combination has all but eliminated my need for opening the start menu.

I'm not implying one can't just create a hotkey to do the same or similar task with FindAndRun without purchasing something like Direct Access (which wouldn't be worth it if that was all I used it for), but it just feels so fluid to be able to type a common word anywhere and have access to all my programs without a click.

Anyhoo, to put it simply, FindAndRunRobot is a truly amazing application. Outstanding job, mouser! I've tried several other application finders/launchers with similar functionality, but I couldn't get used to using them and ultimately found myself digging through menus anyway. But FindAndRun is small and works great on-demand (eg. open with keyword/hotkey, find, then run the app and exit silently). It's exactly what I've always wanted; I can't believe I've had it installed for so long but never really worked closely with it. I totally understand now and I love it!


After trying out ClipMate and not really liking all the bulk that comes with it just to extend my clipboard, I have also fallen in love with Clipboard Help+Spell. It's like a tiny version of ClipMate that has all of its most useful functionality and none of the extra bulk.

On my work PC, I usually have lots of apps open all day and it's not a great computer, and when I was using ClipMate I noticed that sometimes it took up to a second or more to actually put the clip in the clipboard and make it available and that was causing problems with everything I use which automatically pastes anything (eg. Direct Access from above, some AHK scripts, etc). Clipboard Help+Spell completely eliminated any hint of a delay and works flawlessly.
$34.95 vs free makes it all the more sweet (of course I donated, but free as in freely available).

I can't wait for future versions of both apps!

-Ben

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I took them up on this offer, which is becoming a habit for me :)

I am loving the software. It works great with my XP Pro x64 installation, which is actually currently my only OS left on this machine since I needed more space. Nonetheless, I resized and slid partitions over to make more room on my games partition.

My only wish is that there was a way to queue batch jobs from the gui so you could set it and forget it, but nothing took longer than 10 minutes or so anyway individually, so it wasn't torture waiting for each process to finish.

Hell, for $20 (or even their normal $35), it's a pretty good reason not to spend several times more on other products that only perform one or two of its functions.

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I have a PocketPC, a Casseopia from several years ago, but I actually haven't even turned it on in about a year. I like it, and the idea of the PocketPC in general strikes a good note with me, but it always just ends up being extra baggage. All I end up using it for is voice memos and solitaire, but my cellphone even does that now.

Even at that, as of about 6 months ago I got a Philips GoGear 30GB mp3 player/photo viewer and I haven't even thought about my pocket pc since, as that's got all the storage, music, memo space, etc. that I'll ever need whereas my PocketPC has a flash drive.

Then again, from what I've seen PocketPCs have come a long way since my little strongarm Casseopia, so if I actually spent the money and got one, I'd probably fall in love with it all over again.

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The link was http://bitsdujour.com (see my original post). Their sales only last 24 hours, so it's too late for this one now, and today there is some bible research software on sale. I purchased SOCKShell at the discounted rate the other day and have already used it several times here at work as well as at home, to copy paths and open things with custom software.

If anyone isn't subscribed to the bitsdujour newsletter or RSS feed, I highly suggest it. Sometimes there is some very nice software on sale for even nicer prices; software that I would have otherwise paid the higher price for anyway.

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