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25926  DonationCoder.com Software / Find And Run Robot / Re: FARR version 2 - discuss the best way to handle 'actions' on: February 03, 2006, 07:42:25 AM
part of the challenge is figuring out a solution that doesnt require opening the help file and searching for a day looking for the magic keystroke to do things..

it's hard trying to do all these things at once, make it suitable for newbies, and pros, and support all these different ways of working.
25927  DonationCoder.com Software / Find And Run Robot / Re: FARR version 2 - discuss the best way to handle 'actions' on: February 03, 2006, 07:27:02 AM
i like some of what Jan is saying, the idea that you can search for anything combined actions and files and the put it on the queue with a keypress, and using only 1 edit box.  does make things simpler in some ways.

i'm just trying to imagine how it will work when you want to select an item that isn't at the top of the results, and then how to change your mind about what you've queued up.

boy this stuff is really tricky.
25928  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: The End of the Internet? on: February 03, 2006, 07:21:29 AM
so typical.. if there's money to be made then you can bet someone is going to restrict access and sell access.
there are probably businesses out there trying to figure out how to sell air.
25929  DonationCoder.com Software / Find And Run Robot / Re: FARR version 2 - discuss the best way to handle 'actions' on: February 03, 2006, 07:09:07 AM
one problem with this is as you say, it makes it impossible to use spaces in the search.  so you cant use multiple words to narrow down a search, which was one of the most requested features for version 2..
25930  DonationCoder.com Software / Find And Run Robot / Re: FARR version 2 - discuss the best way to handle 'actions' on: February 03, 2006, 04:31:56 AM
if you're doing the default currently selected action you can just hit enter.
since the default action is "launch"
you could just type screenshot captor + ENTER
25931  DonationCoder.com Software / Find And Run Robot / Re: FARR version 2 - discuss the best way to handle 'actions' on: February 03, 2006, 04:21:37 AM
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I think the problem would ony arise when you want to specify an option in a result other then the first one.
yep, i modified my above post to discuss that..
we are getting warmer..
25932  DonationCoder.com Software / Find And Run Robot / Re: FARR version 2 - discuss the best way to handle 'actions' on: February 03, 2006, 04:15:24 AM
im a bit concerned as well with having to specify an action first... sometimes it would match your brain and sometimes not..
see my FIND + THEN post above for an alternative.

the basic idea here is that it would behave like FARR does now, except
youd have a 2nd editbox which showed you what was going to happen when you hit enter (ie launch the file)
and you could hit TAB to go to that editbox to change the action (and search actions in the results list).

to me this is pretty elegant, the only problem is what happens when the file you are interested in is not at the top of the results list. hitting tab to go to the THEN editbox would be showing you commands for the top result which is not what you want, so youd have to specify the correct item first.



you could get around that by having like

FIND: _________________

[results list]

THEN: _________________


so that the THEN editbox was at the bottom.


so you type the file, hit tab to go to restults; if your chosen result is not at top then select it with arrow keys and hit tab again to go to THEN box to choose an action or hit ENTER to launch.



furthermore, i suppose you could let user choose the order of these 3 panels,
some might choose:
ACTION: ___________
FIND:___________
[retsults]
25933  DonationCoder.com Software / Find And Run Robot / Re: FARR version 2 - discuss the best way to handle 'actions' on: February 03, 2006, 04:10:40 AM
alternatively we could have 3 editboxes:

DO: ___________ (defaults to FIND)
WITH: _____________ (defaults to searching in the file list like normal FARR)
THEN: ______________ (default to LAUNCH)



this matches the idea i was saying before about how the first thing you always specify is a VERB (DO)


so now the operation would be:


bring up FARR.

you start on DO editbox, just hit tab if you want default action of FIND
then type the file to find, hit enter to launch,
or hit tab to choose from context sensitive actions while typing in the THEN editbox.


or for emailing:
bring up FARR
type email which narrows from the available commands.
then hit tab and the editbox label maybe changes to say " EMAIL TO:" , and third line changes to "SUBJECT:"
and you type the email address, hit tab to go to next field, type the subject, hit enter.


you get the idea.
25934  DonationCoder.com Software / Find And Run Robot / Re: FARR version 2 - discuss the best way to handle 'actions' on: February 03, 2006, 04:06:43 AM
ok i have an idea.. i feel like we might be getting warm...

what about this:
what if the dialog popped up with 2 editboxes, either side by side or one on top of the other, like this:


FIND:  _________________
THEN: _________________

followed by the normal results list.


important: the THEN: box will start out saying "Launch"


ok now,
you can at this point type the name of the file to find, and get incremental results, just like it current FARR.


if your result is at the top of the list, hit enter to run it.  or use a digit key to select the one you want.


BUT you can also hit TAB to proceed from the FIND: box to the THEN: box,
whereupon the results list will display a set of context sensitive ACTIONS you can perform.

we can even used commas here to do as jpaiva suggeted to have nested actions.



and now here is the kicker:
we could say additionally that when a recognized action word is detected as first word, and then you hit space it would automatically move this word to the THEN: box (removing it from main edit box) and then let you continue searching for the file to perform the operation on.



SO:

you could type
"photoshop" ENTER to launch photoshop.

or

"photoshop" TAB "properties" (selecting properties froma  list of context-sensitive actions that can be performed on exe files
to see the exe properties


OR


"kill" + SPACE (which would recognize the term KILL as an action, and move it to the THEN action editbox,
followed by "firefox" which would then be searching for firefox in results listbox of running processes.


OR

"define" + SPACE (moves define into THEN: box) + "subjunctive"
results list would should the different websites that can be used to search.



25935  DonationCoder.com Software / Find And Run Robot / Re: FARR version 2 - discuss the best way to handle 'actions' on: February 03, 2006, 03:44:22 AM
interesting idea about nesting aliases.. this is getting a little interesting now, like the idea of treating actions like a decision tree..


25936  DonationCoder.com Software / Find And Run Robot / Re: FARR version 2 - discuss the best way to handle 'actions' on: February 03, 2006, 03:42:32 AM
yes, we could make space bar always default to meaning the default launch/run command.

so if you wanted to do what farr does now, youd start by hitting spacebar to choose the action "find/run/launch" and then you could start typing the filename patterns as normal.

and the list of actions shown at startup would never change order, they would be a fixed list that user could control.
they would also include "plugin" commands.

25937  DonationCoder.com Software / Find And Run Robot / Re: FARR version 2 - discuss the best way to handle 'actions' on: February 03, 2006, 03:28:05 AM
a way around the need to know the action ahead of time might be to let user type like:
find photoshop, launch

or
find photoshop, delete


the point being that the first "action" is a generic "find" and then the , says uses the file and perform context sensitive action "launch"
(ie after the , the results list would turn into a list of actions you can perform on the file, whereupon user types launch to select launch from that list).
25938  News and Reviews / Best E-mail Client / Re: The Bat! (Some constructive criticism) on: February 03, 2006, 03:19:01 AM
hahhahahahaha love it.
25939  DonationCoder.com Software / Find And Run Robot / Re: FARR version 2 - discuss the best way to handle 'actions' on: February 03, 2006, 03:14:02 AM
thank you for the links.. quite helpful..
i kind of like the idea of stacking actions and stuff.
im just resistent to all the need for the tabbing and stuff...

life would be easier if we insisted that the first word was always a verb.

so that you start farr, and the window shows a list of verbs like:
  • Run
  • Open
  • Email
  • Browse
  • Google
  • Define
  • etc.....

then you type a verb (or part of it until you get a match) and then hit space key.

once a verb is selected, the rest of what you type will select from the search directories, searching as always,
OR act like a regular expression pattern match so you can type "email blah@blah.com" or "define subjunctive" as currently.

the key difference those is that it would INSIST that the first thing you do is select an ACTION, before file searching would begin, though we could make this as simple as typing r or l or . for default action of "launch/run"

so to launch photoshop you would bring up farr,
and see a list of actions:
  • r - run/launch - run or launch a program or document
  • d - delete - delete a file
  • g - google - do a google search
  • define  - define a word using dictionary
  • email - send an email

then you would type r which would restrict action list to the only matching r command, which would be narrowed down in the results, then you hit space,
and some queue text would say "Run.." and then the results box would clear and youd' start typing "photo" just like you do now in farr, and then hit enter when you find it, so your total typing would be:
"r photoshop"

or you could have done "run photoshop"

or "run photo shop"

the point to this method is requiring that the first word, and ONLY the first word be used to select an action, from some list (predefined and editable by user);
and only after an action is selected does the program shift into multi word search files mode.

-

the drawback is you need to know what you plan to do with the file before you start, and you can show just the context relevant actions for the object.
the advantage is if you know what you're doing you type very little with no crazy tabbing and right arrowing, it's all one smooth sentence.
25940  DonationCoder.com Software / Find And Run Robot / Re: Sample mini group alias file for F&R - download here on: February 02, 2006, 11:37:36 PM
sure, it's easy , but you have to set up an alias for the commands (like ping) that you want to do this with.

create an alias group like this:
[attach=1]

(download the alias file at the top of this page and see more examples)
25941  DonationCoder.com Software / Skrommel's Software / skrommel got some love today.. on: February 02, 2006, 11:10:17 PM
skrommel got some love today from shellcity.net:

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ps. skrommels page is http://www.donationcoder....tware/Skrommel/index.html
25942  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Reference software they don't make anymore but should. on: February 02, 2006, 10:36:13 PM
i agree completely. there was also a very cool musical instrucments cd from micrsoft and some art gallery cds, also both wonderful.

why arent we seeing dvd super versions of this type?

in all fairness some of this is taken over by the big encyclopedia dvds, but still..
25943  News and Reviews / Official Announcements / Re: briefly restarting web server on feb2, 2006 on: February 02, 2006, 09:49:39 PM
looks like it worked without a hitch.. always a nice surprise.

we now return you to your regularly selected programming.

ps.
if anyone has trouble with the forum/sire in the next couple of weeks don't hesitate to email me, especially if you get a 403 error about not being able to access/find some page index.php.  thats a sign that the security mod package is being too agressive in blocking stuff it thinks looks dangerous.
25944  DonationCoder.com Software / Find And Run Robot / Re: FARR version 2 - discuss the best way to handle 'actions' on: February 02, 2006, 09:31:30 PM
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But I think an additional panel of actions (as in my mockup, and as Quicksilver does) is less confusing than replacing the item list with actions list in the results window. In theory, users can use either method. I believe (2)  is better for novices and general users, and (1) is better for power users (we know how most people are a bit scared of aliases already!). I think both are  compatible.

yes i think i tend to agree.. still trying to figure out the cleanest way to handle this case, without going crazy and implementing 10 different modes for doing each thing..
25945  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Firefox Extensions: Your favorite or most useful on: February 02, 2006, 09:27:32 PM
nice app!
25946  DonationCoder.com Software / Screenshot Captor / Re: Screenshot Captor in latest CPU magazine! on: February 02, 2006, 09:25:17 PM
no not at all, it's just i just posted an info about this review a week or two ago with the excerpt of the review taken from the pdf version.  it's nice to see it in print though smiley

actually i'm liking that magazine too, i'm trying to see if they might be interested in syndicating our reviews in print.
25947  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: a grid of cool animal flash games on: February 02, 2006, 09:22:33 PM
what's the best one? opinions please.
25948  News and Reviews / Official Announcements / briefly restarting web server on feb2, 2006 on: February 02, 2006, 09:06:48 PM
we've had them do a whole host of security hardening on the server today (your donations make it possible for us to pay for such services by the way!).

and i need to restart the webserver now to fix some fixes that are not fixes smiley

shouldn't be down for but a minute if all goes well. this is your heads up not to be in the middle of a post when it happens!.
25949  DonationCoder.com Software / Screenshot Captor / Re: Hey Mouser, Check out Kidsnapper... on: February 02, 2006, 09:01:27 PM
fun idea.

actually you really should be able to use screenshot captor's built in ability to configure external tools in the Tools menu to do this and lots of other stuff like one click uploading of a file to an ftp site, mailing screenshots, etc., if some people just took some time to find some commandline drivable tools for this kind of stuff.
25950  DonationCoder.com Software / Find And Run Robot / Re: Minor Bug - First character of relative location dropped on: February 02, 2006, 02:20:45 PM
nope, first time i've heard about it; thanks for the bug report jan.
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