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26  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Linkman save methodology on: March 21, 2013, 02:47:16 PM

I really have not had the problem mentioned above for a few months.
Why I had it before is a puzzle, but one that for now can sit in the dustbin of history.  

27  Other Software / Found Deals and Discounts / Re: PhraseExpander text expander for Windows, free today only and Pro at 40% off on: February 24, 2013, 11:25:37 PM

Ok, thanks and apologies.  I did not realize in my posting before that there were two producst Phrase Exp...
PhraseExpander did hit GAOTD back in 2012, but I skipped over it at the time, partly because of the name confusion.

Good to know, thanks for the correction.  

Now to see if Phrase Expander is a good software!  I see that you say this is a new name for Direct Access. I can see that it is a more descriptive name (Direct Access could be almost anything) ... but one that can lead to product competitor confusion as well.

While the current name of Phrase Expander is a good name in terms of being descriptive, it would have been nice not to choose a name similar to a major competitor.

If I had recognized it as not PhraseExpress, I would have downloaded the freebie from GAOTD.  Next time I will try. Generally I am not a big fan of phrase expansion (I type pretty quickly) but would not mind a try.

28  Other Software / Found Deals and Discounts / Re: PhraseExpander text expander for Windows, free today only and Pro at 40% off on: February 24, 2013, 11:14:19 PM

The most recent discussion was in December, 2012.  You can see that I was going by what was written by some concerned users as well as Bartels.  And it is quite obvious that we were not talking about a "bug".  If Bartels had features that they did not know, that would be puzzling. If they added features in the last two months, it likely was because of this confrontation.


Phrase Express

1st Questioner: Just single question to a developer: Do you offer a free service or option to export my created snippets to plain text or other not proprietary format? Simply answer yes-no. This is the major thing to consider buying this software. I read Roy Planalp post and it makes me a little bit scarry.

2nd Questioner:...to ask the same basic question... in the application itself I do not see an export option.
How do I export the phrases that have been entered? If there is not currently an option to export phrases, when will this be added to the application? This is critical! Sorry, but this is important enough that there's no way I'll buy unless an export option is currently available or will soon be available. My data belongs to me and I have to be able to access it. Thanks!

Bartels Media You can export phrases as RTF-/HTML-/Microsoft Word-formatted text or unformatted plain text by simply inserting it into the desired target application. You can insert phrases by hotkey, by autotext, from the task tray icon popup menu or from a floating menu that can conveniently reside on your desktop. You can also export any phrase folder by simply dragging the folder from the tree view onto the desktop. Such exported files can be easily re-imported into another PhraseExpress installation.
It doesn’t make sense to export phrases in another format as PhraseExpress stores a lot of information along with each phrase that no other target application would be able to understand, e.g. proprietary hotkey/autotext trigger information, variables that contain restriction to certain target programs or users and additional parameters.

OK, this is one-by-one approach that is time consuming. Once again : Can I export ALL my created snippets from the database to plain text or other not proprietary format in a single batch or simple keystroke or whatever one calls it and not one-by-one?

1st Questioner: You did not answer my question. Please could you reply? If I should spend my money I need to have strong data to make decision. My second question is: Is the note on deleting bad posts from forum and poor support true as mentioned in Roy Planalp post true? I made some investigation on google with the name of your company and I do not know what I should think.

Steven Avery: Hi, This situation of not having a straight simple export of the basic data (to something like a .cvs or .txt file) should just about always be a deal-breaker, as it was for Roboform. Thanks to the posters who raised the question. At times, this is a symptom of other problems as well, but even by itself it makes a no-go.

Bartels Media @Steven:... Your idea of "straight simple export" may be based on a misconception, that PhraseExpress would be limited to replacing a text string A with a longer phrase B. PhraseExpress, however, does so much more: An Autotext or hotkey can trigger a text expansion *optionally*; PhraseExpress allows to assign multiple Autotext for the same phrase; it offers to adapt the letter case of the output phrase depending on the letter case of the Autotext. Hotkeys and Autotexts can be restricted to certain programs or users; phrases are organized in a customizable folder hierarchy which can’t be reflected in a simple plain text format; same goes for the proprietary macro automation language that are embedded in the plain text snippets. Then, there is the unique text prediction feature which uses data which is impossible to export in a meaningful format as it is stored in a complex multi-level matrix of word connections. ... If we would offer the “simple” approach as you suggested, you personally may be fine with that. But you are not alone: If we would offer such feature, thousands of other users may use it as well and may start complaining (for very good reasons) that all the text formatting would be lost in the exported file. Others may complain that the program/user restrictions settings are not exported or that the folder hierarchy would be lost. We kindly ask for your understanding, that adding such “quick & dirty” feature would create enormous support problems and it is against our quality standards anyway. Last but not least, it is very important to understand, that PhraseExpress IS a proprietary application as it provides a unique feature set.

Steven Avery Hi,
Bartels, I fully understand that two programs will not have exactly the same data .. one export, the other import. That is common in computer programs, one man's export is somewhat different than another's import.
Nonetheless, you, as a vendor with proprietary data, are supposed to supply the basics, which is simply :
a) the short phrase
b) the long expansion
You can definitely explain that this is a basic export. Perhaps you would add a bit more (e.g. an RTF option). You are NOT expected to export your special coding, like conditional processing. (e.g. Do this phrase if you are in Eudora email, or if the User is Max).
Afaik, there are no industry standards that you could use there, even if you wanted (as, e.g. with a .cal file for calender export and import, which is why calendars must have have such a function. A calendar is not expected to export all its functions but it is expected to do what it can unto the industry standard).
So nobody expects you to do what is essentially impossible, or nonsensical (a new specialized complex export, with a file-layout explanation, blah-blah). You are not asked to pioneer a new industry standard. If some one wants that type of specialized export, they can contract you out for that.
The simple fact is, you do not supply the basics.
So, as I said: I'm out. (continues)


More discussion here:

Proprietary Data Formats


This earlier discussion, April, 2011, I was not involved, however I did take note of some of the methods of Bartels when I read the thread.

Complaint about Bartels Media \ the PhraseExpress people

Steven Avery
29  Other Software / Found Deals and Discounts / Re: PhraseExpander text expander for Windows, free today only and Pro at 40% off on: February 23, 2013, 11:31:12 PM

If I remember correctly, from the Bits discussions, Phrase Expander makes it virtually impossible for you to export your data, except one at a time by hand.  (I'm not talking about sophisticated aspects, but simply the short text and long).  Not even by printing to a file.

So a few of us did not even bother considering the software.  The answers from the company sounded bogus, this was done on purpose, even though they import from here and there.

Companies that play such games should be ignored, as much as possible, imho. You might put together a phrase book of 500 phrases and then you have to upgrade for the new edition (for new features or browsers or whatever), not like the upgrade cost, and all your previous work is locked-in.

Technically the software sounds good, although they self-promote in a cheezy manner. And if a person really finds it to their liking, they might want to go with it, or stick with it, but newbies especially should be aware of the lock-in attempt.

30  Other Software / Found Deals and Discounts / Re: Bitdefender Internet Security sale on: February 05, 2013, 12:14:18 AM

Based on my experiences with them, I would not buy BitDefender unless they have acknowledged that they will not force an opt-out -- to prevent a large bill when the initial inexpensive or free one expires. The auto-renew.

Even if you remember to opt-out (do it the day you receive the license) what about the 100 others who get taken. The concept is wrong.


31  Other Software / Found Deals and Discounts / Re: new FastPaste 3: 60% off on: January 18, 2013, 02:36:23 AM

After trying it, I just bought Fastpaste, Standard version, on todays Bits, $12.

As my snippet repository. email addies, urls, scripture quotes, other common quotes, maybe later pics and other stuff. It just seems crisp for that, with a very nice little editor to make sure that you have the RTF you want, which for me is fundamental.

As a very solid one-trick pony, I like it. The scripting right now is only keyboard, and I am trying to use it fully as a mouse thing anyway, so I passed on Professional, that included scripting and encyrption for $6 more.  For repetitive forms, if I had that need, LastPass is very good.

I would look at FastPaste as an RTF Repository program. I actually had a problem when I tried to use it as a pic .jpeg thing, so I should check that.

32  Other Software / Found Deals and Discounts / Re: Earlier versions of Serif software at bargain prices until 4 Jan. 2013 on: January 05, 2013, 05:35:01 AM

Here is a good explanation of the potential deal-breaker in their WYSIWIG Web Developer product.

"When reading about the features and functions Serif advertises the ability add code for log-in and counters (etc) – they call this “Smart Objects”, code that results in data needing to be retained. I asked the same person in customer service, that assured me the product did not require any interface to Serif to develop and use, if the product had these capabilities which I was assured that it did.

If you use a “Smart Object” you have to go on-line with Serif to register it – that is register the html page you develop! Why, because they keep the data on their server!! You cannot keep you own data on your own selected host! You cannot control your own data, you cannot maintain your own data – the data you collect is at Serif! You need to go to Serif for YOUR data! They also say if your usage is too high you need to purchase additional storage from them! You CANNOT develop code or host your internet site without being attached to Serif if you use a “Smart Object”. Let me repeat; No counters, No commerce, No “anything” that results in data being stored without a “marriage” to Serif! No using all of the awesome capabilities advertised about the product without being MARRIED to Serif.

Here is their SmartObjects description, making it clear that various CMS type stuff, yet also more basics like a user list, require a Serif connection

Thus they are deceiving here:
Sell products online with trusted e-commerce providers ... Add Facebook and Twitter feeds as well as other social media sharing buttons... When you’re ready, preview your fully-functioning site in any browser to make sure you are happy, then upload your site to any host, or use Serif’s easy web hosting.


The Serif marketeer danced around this on Bits Du Jour, and left the final question simply unanswered.

Theoretically, for some who ..
a) would like a low-cost WYSIWIG
b) doesn't have a low-cost WYSIWIG (e.g I have used Site-Spinner and have a license for some version).
c) doesn't mind the extra dead-end (WYSIWIGs generally have a code tweak dead-end ,this is a second dead-end) looking mostly for static websites just to supply info.

This could be a decent money-saver, $15 over the  $50-75 of these WYSIWIGs normally.

Or, conceivably, you might not mind the Serif server aspect, having checked out how it works, finances, happiness of users etc.


However, we now have 3 ethical issues.

1) this deceptive advertising about the WebPlus standalone capabilities
2) reports of using registration of free products to cajole, by delay, upgrades 
3) Uniblue scam product sold on site

Not the worst we have seen, but a problem.  Especially #1.
Maybe we need to invite Serif to comment in dialog.


For PagePlus, NothingButSoftware is $4 more, and that includes shipping a box with CD or DVD. Plus maybe they have special.  So no rush on that one.

DrawPlus is what remains.  Looks like a good deal that is hard to replicate. Thoughts ?  Alternatives ?  

Is there any special integration other than similar palletes, look and feel ? Probably not, since DrawPlus is creating standard output.  However a similar look-and-feel might be a plus in having those two programs.

33  Other Software / Found Deals and Discounts / Re: Earlier versions of Serif software at bargain prices until 4 Jan. 2013 on: January 04, 2013, 10:13:49 PM

Thanks, Nigel. A good plan B if I wait here.  I see they have the PagePlusX5 at a $19 normally, maybe with box shipped too. Hmmm.. however the WebPlus is about $10 more and I dont see DrawPlus. I understand what you are saying, that specials come up now and then.

So, right now DrawPlus is in the biggest consideration. Anybody using it daily ? Lets look back to the top of the thread. We have one plus from Kunkel.

My ancient PagePlus install is doing funny stuff, that might be because it was some sort of special edition from Downloadcrew.

The problem with WebPlus X5 seems to be that it can sort of lock you into the Serif server, at least for some things called Smart Objects , so it may not be a true Easy-web tool, based on discussions here. http://www.bitsdujour.com...tware/webplus-x5#comments  However, they defend your independence in reply.

I don't mind the spam mail, easy to filter it if not get off the list, but if you look there above, Serif has gotten aggressive in UK in some unethical marketing stuff.  Hmmm..

Compared to Ashampoo, what I like is that it is, I think, actually their software developed over time. Noting that Curt has been disappointed with PagePlus.  

Do they have any forums ? Yes. And they look legit.

What was your biggest disappointments, Curt ?


Incidentally, another way to possibly score some of these products is to check the UK magazines. Although they have trimmed down in number, they still are in some book stores and computer stores.  The mag will cost about $15 and will have a few full products on a DVD, often like this, a solid product one version earlier.  Afaik, Serif continues to be a contributor in that way.

Checking, PC Advisor
"Other lead programs include Serif DrawPlus Starter Edition, alongside Ashampoo Burning Studio 2013 and Abelssoft FileWing Pro 2.3"

SE editions are no help.

34  Other Software / Found Deals and Discounts / Re: Earlier versions of Serif software at bargain prices until 4 Jan. 2013 on: January 04, 2013, 09:14:02 PM

I'm looking this over, realizing that, eg. I might want to occasionally have a software for things like charts and graphs, visual publishing stuff, and right now I do not do that stuff at all. (Whether publishable to a web page or just for inclusion in an email, perhaps as some sort of document that can be sent).

Some of these products might be a fun way to have more utility.

It was disappointing to see a Uniblue scam product in their mix. (not a dealbreaker though, I should let them know).

Anyway, which programs do I want .. hmmm.

PhotoPlus X4  - Photo editing
Photo editing sounds a little different, not really the same genre, and there are continual specials on that, so not so much

Movie editing - not needed


Three for consideration.. at $15 per, not bad to have a program with a real registration, are any of these available in other forms free similarly good ?  By working with Serif will I have like a full suite, with similar look and feel, and fairly compatible products ?

DrawPlus X4 - Digital art, drawing, design * yes, makes sense

PagePlus X5 - Desk top publishing           * - possibly, but will I really use it ?  For what ?

WebPlus X5  - Web site design               * - how does it compare to SiteSpinner, Website Realizer and other easy web products


Open source Inkscape is given in one place as the DrawPlus alternative, but with a nod that DrawPlus can be easier to use and more solid in some ways.

Apparently Serif puts out some hobbled Starter Editions .. SE .. but if you are serious with any of these products, these $15 specials would be a far better ways to go.

I'll listen for your feedback, when does this thing end ?  Stop me, before I buy three products ! smiley  Or should I just be conservative and get DrawPlus.  (It was a good day today, and I can go for the full-blown $45 if it seems sensible.)

I have a reggie for PagePlus 11, from a DownloadCrew giveaway last May, which I think I forgot to install, but I do have the serial number, so maybe I pass there. (Found download, trying late install ) However, it is an earlier version I think,  Hmmm..

35  Other Software / Found Deals and Discounts / Xyplorer - last days to buy the lifetime license on: December 28, 2012, 10:39:59 PM

I have used Total Commander for many years. Sometimes it seems to choke, or run not so good, on folders with huge amounts of files. Plus we all know that Xyplorer2 and XYplorer join TC as three incredible programs. And each one has its strengths.  DOpus too, for more $. Others are fine, too, (including FreeCommander for the free) but those three above have a certain panache, along with a je ne sais quoi.  That is, these programs are fantastico.  Inexpensive, lots of features, fine developers.  


XYPlorer is saying goodbye to a lifetime license (I own one) that they have had for about 12 years so far.  Not in the common charlatan way of Roboform and this and that, where they change the rules of the game.  Nahh, they are doing it the integrity way.  Buy one this week, till the end of the year, if you want, because in 2013 we are not selling any more.  However all such licenses, whenever bought, will be honored.  Buy this week, if you want, but please do not complain next week.  I don't know the price,  it may not be worth it for most, but some might be interested.

My experience with them the other day was rather amazing.
Here is the thread.

sort question - date, size

Ask for a brand-new feature, of some substance.
And it is in Beta within two hours.  

That is as good as our local DC programmers !

I've been busy, so I have not used it yet, but the thread explains all.

Just a FYI.  A nod.  A shout-out.

Well done, Don!
Gentlemen like you make our puter use a pleasure.

36  Other Software / Found Deals and Discounts / Re: 12-22 only: Glarysoft Screen Recording Suite 2.5.3 free on: December 22, 2012, 11:41:07 PM

An interesting possibility, since you generally do not need the suite.  However, anybody able to compare with the normal sort-of freewares ?

Freeware Genius helps us out.

Debut Video Capture: video-record screen activity and/or capture video from external devices

BB Flashback Express: powerful, free screen-recording program


And they also mention Jing, which is the web service, and probably more cumbersome for the purpose.

Any comparisons with Glary ?

Another that seems notable.

HyperCam Version 2


37  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: In search of ... RAMdisk opinions on: September 24, 2012, 02:40:44 PM

@ Steven Avery: Yes, but that situation is not much different without using a RAMdisk. Actually, when the power fails and the OS was just writing to disk, I rather loose the work that has been done (RAMdisk) than potential file corruption (hard disk), which can have all kinds of "weird" effects and the (obligatory) CHKDSK takes time to complete as well.

I frequently (once or twice a day) do hard reboots, just to save time, and never have a corruption problem. (Granted, sometimes I just do a Firefox reboot, since the 100 windows with some PDFs and plug-ins galore is the main slow-down.) I also occasionally have OS lockups and never have corruption.  (I do try to make sure not to have the same files open by two users on the puter, which can be problematic.)

I use Linkman as my example. I have it set to do backups every fifteen minutes or so and I am adding work throughout the day. Losing fifteen minutes of work frequently is unacceptable, and generally after the reboot I reload the live data .lmd file. Occasionally for some reason the last backup is bigger, and I use that.  For months now I have not lost a smidgen of data, afaik, but I do check to make sure after the reboot that the .lmd file is big file. Its complicated.

With a ramdisk it is pretty obvious that I will frequently lose the differential from the last backup which could be maybe five urls (there is research involved for writing on Bible issues) and some modifications . That loss is a no-go, especially as this is the current, active work.  Any such loss is very annoying (I used to have it more frequently before I closed the gap.)  The only way it could work with a ramdisk is to take hard reboots off the table, but even then I will have loss on the approximately weekly OS stoppage-lock. Where the CPU is wild and the living is easy.

Thus I would not find the ramdisk acceptable on my most active data file. That is why I wonder if it is worth the effort for the temp files, where I do not care about losing data.

38  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: In search of ... RAMdisk opinions on: September 24, 2012, 04:59:32 AM

I've noticed some people place an emphasis on placing temp file directories in ramdisk.  This might make sense, since there is nothing there to lose.  Although the advantages of just that element might be quite limited.

If you are updating your Linkman data in a Ramdisk, and the power goes off (or the OS locks up) then it seems like all the work that was done since the ramdisk loading will be lost. (If there is a periodic save, that can develop its own concerns.) Isn't this always one potential problem ?

Steven Avery
Bayside, NY
39  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Roboform, crippling the export function and Bits Du Jour censorship on: September 18, 2012, 10:38:13 PM

Bits continues to go downhill. You mentioned Nico, but the forum monitor during Censorship City seems to be more Roger Thomasson.  I saw a post was put in by someone that they felt that a software company, Blumental, had been snarky with them on a request (not the exact words, but representing the tone).  It was no big deal, I considered it interesting, good to know but very possibly "perception" or a bad hair day.

Then you go back and the post has been liquidated (not even a notice of deletion for rules violation).  That poster will be put on "moderation" and will probably wash their hands of Bits, knowing the game.

This is rather sad, since Bits had been one of the more vibrant daily discussion places, and they do not seem to realize what it means to go the censorship milquetoast route.  

We see so many sell-outs and partials.  Uniblue type stuff. Remember Yelp had its scandals.  Now I simply can not trust BitsDuJour to have honest discussion.  I know they now will be very quick to black out any comments that will put their sale items in an unfavorable light. The key now seems to be commission and sales $, make the vendor happy, integrity out the window.  Remember, with Roboform we were actually just trying to point out that crippling an export function is quite dubious.

Anyway, Donationcoder stays as lively and friendly and forthright as ever.




In the forum, another poster had their post vanish, simply because it pointed out problems with the product. 
40  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Roboform, crippling the export function and Bits Du Jour censorship on: September 16, 2012, 01:54:14 AM

Incidentally, the "moderation" really looks to be Bits (Nico), not the vendor. It has extended to a forum wipe-out of the post above, to posting on the SoftPerfect RamDisk thread.  I see absolutely no indication that the vendor is given such authority.  They may kvetch to Nico, and vendors can vary in clout, but it really looks to be a Bits thing.

41  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Roboform, crippling the export function and Bits Du Jour censorship on: September 14, 2012, 07:23:36 PM

Since the Bits position is clear as mud, I placed this on the forum, below the earlier post, although I do not see it yet.

Siber-Roboform and the ethics of crippling an export function.



Here is the Donationcoder thread.
Roboform, crippling the export function and Bits Du Jour censorship

We were trying to figure out whether the censorship (which apparently increased as the "sale" sent on) was from Nico and Bits directly ...., or indirectly by giving control of the comments to the vendor.

Please let us know, and you might want to read the Donationcoder thread and give us the Bits view there or here.  The credibility of Bits, I believe, is taking quite a hit by the censorship, which looks to be far greater than anything previously in moderation mode.


42  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Roboform, crippling the export function and Bits Du Jour censorship on: September 14, 2012, 06:21:01 AM

A backup feature would only be relevant as an export-import option if it came with a restore feature that is available externally.  It would have to lack encryption (which goes against the expected internal encryption) and it would have to have the layout available, although that might be puzzled out, if there was not encryption.  Generally a backup is simply a mirror of the existing data file, which is useless for export-->import.

Sounds like simply another diversion, smoke and mirrors, from the Roboform crew.

43  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Roboform, crippling the export function and Bits Du Jour censorship on: September 13, 2012, 04:45:19 PM
44  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Roboform, crippling the export function and Bits Du Jour censorship on: September 13, 2012, 02:16:18 PM

yes, I understand 40hz.  For that reason, I may try Keepass again, I load it up all the time but with blank data ! smiley


Here is my current post on Bits ! I do not know if it will get posted or not, due to the activation of the moderation queue.


Bits Du Jour - Roboform 2Go


Michelle, your answer is puzzling.

Basically,  I really do not think you understand the difference between a print function (designed to show you what data you have in a visual fashion on the screen or on a printed page) and a data export-->import function.   

There is simply no concern on a data export-->import function as to print formatting or being too long on a page, since it is raw data (cvs .html .txt .sql etc).  In many cases, the data is never viewed at all, it is simply used directly for import.

And many people using the export function ended up trying to reload earlier versions of Roboform in order to have the real function needed.

So, I put more information on this on a Donationcoder thread as well as in a post on the lightly-used Bits forum.  (Suggestion: highlight the fact of the forum far more clearly on the front Bits pages... bold, color etc.)

Michelle, it is true that you already gave me an answer of sorts from your tech support people.  So there is no need for me to ask them again, unless they plan to put in a proper export function.  From what you say, it is clear that Siber-Roboform simply has no plans to restore the full export function, which they had for many years.  And that was my question here.

Personally, without a full export function, the program is not of interest to me. Since I may end up with 100 or 200 entries. In which every single one needs modification if I try to use my data anywhere but Roboform. This goes against all philosophies of system and data openness and transparency, and my control of the data I generate.  (Understanding that you need your master password to do any export anyway.)

Thanks for trying, Michelle, anyway.  I realize that software companies often put their public-front PR people in a difficult position, so there is no antagonism meant towards you at all.  



Since it is on a queue, I can not add a note saying that she (as PR-customer service) may not understand how trivial it is to have two alternate print-display outputs.

45  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Roboform, crippling the export function and Bits Du Jour censorship on: September 13, 2012, 10:27:32 AM
Hi cyberdiva,

I was not sure if there was one hit or two over the years, so probably one.  However, you are right that it seems they handled it pretty well, and there were no known heavy-duty repercussions.  Plus, I would expect they tightened their insides since then.  I started using them later.

Like you, I am using LastPass.  I find their interface and information very intuitive, helpful and unobstrusive, all at the same time. Conceptually I was ready to put them up against Keepass, but Keepass seems to make you do much more to actually place in, use and remember the pages properly.

46  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Roboform, crippling the export function and Bits Du Jour censorship on: September 13, 2012, 12:42:56 AM

To show you the changes in Bits, this is the post on the current thread that was censored:

RoboForm2Go v7



Danny -  Top Ten Reviews is not considered reliable, since their operation is based on trying to make commissions on sales. Free software and services are ignored.  As an example, LastPass is listed as at a minimum of $12 per year, but that is only the Premium service, many use the free service.

Siber - does this Roboform have a complete export facility of all the password data, including the full url ?



UPDATE:  After a long wait, possibly just their sleeping, this was approved, so we can watch for the Siber response.


Based on such a post being censored, it is clear that Bits Du Jour will now suppress flaws and factual corrections and ethical concerns.  btw, Siber's other main program is GoodSync.

Caveat emptor.



The About.com article by  Sandra Grauschopf was very helpful.

Mixed Reactions to Roboform's Version 7 Upgrade

"Version 6.9 allowed you to export your logins, passwords and URLs for import into other password applications but version 6.10 will not let you export the URL any more "

Lastpass explaining work-around

"Siber Systems has changed the export process in the newest version of Roboform - version 7 does not include the option to export your logins with the full site URL. Although you will still be able to export your passcards, they will not be imported to LastPass correctly. Without the full URL of the site, LastPass doesn't know where the login fields are, and autofill will likely be dysfunctional. In order to export with the full URL, you'll have to downgrade to version six."

Since LastPass is a competitor, they are being cordial and explaining this in a matter-of-fact way.  It is the customers and potential customers that tell Siber that with these types of shenanigans they can not be considered an ethical company.

Oh, here is the main part of the "explanation" from Siber for crippling the export.  They mangle the concepts of a print function and an export function to make excuses.

"There was a print list function in 6.9 that printed the entire login URL. Some users used this function as a quasi export function. We received numerous complaints from our users that the Print List function needed to improve, because when users printed their list of Logins, they wasted a ton of paper, and the formatting wasn't great because the login URLs were too long. So we changed the function from printing the full URL to printing the base URL. That's the only change we made. ....We made a change that was based on user feedback. We understand that not all users use our software the same exact way. It's one of the challenges of creating software. What is good for most users may not be good for all users. In this case the majority of our users like the changes, but we have not yet been able to satisfy all users."

Of course, if they wanted an option to print with a shorter url, it would have been trivially easy to give that as a configuration or run-time option.  So the above is all smoke and mirrors.  


btw... currently I use LastPass for passwords, aware that they had security hits a while back and happy to change if seems appropriate (they are very good on ease of use, they seem so far to be simpler in real world usage than Keepass, a major alternative.). And I do not use a sync program, not even Dropbox, I simply occasionally copy to the cloud, since most of my work is on one puter.

47  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Roboform, crippling the export function and Bits Du Jour censorship on: September 12, 2012, 11:21:06 PM
Hi Folks,

Siber Systems from Roboform has done some things that made former customers a bit unhappy, where they felt that the terms of the purchase and licensing was unilaterally changed.  We have discussed that here on some threads. This is not directly about any of that.


With two recent Bits specials, I read up on Roboform issues and found out that, at a time that people were concerned about licensing changes, Siber changed the export function in 6.10 and 7.  Apparently their export function is "Print-to-HTML" and they shortened the url. Which would be fine as an "option" but since the "Print-to-HTML" is their export facility it acts to cripple the export.  ie. If another password program imports the HTML, you then have to change all the urls by hand. For this reason, you will find lots of discussion of Roboform customers actually trying to reload earlier versions of Roboform in order to have a proper export function.

And I asked about this on Bits and got a developer response that was unacceptable, and from that point on, Bits threw out two of my comments and placed my posts on moderation.  (I have purchased in the past many items with them and made many comments.) It really seems like Bits, which used to have a reputation of allowing tuff questions, is now going milquetoast "protectia" for clients.

Note also that there has been an increase of what seem to be shill and social media type "rah-rah" posts from a number of vendors. (I don't blame that on Bits directly but it has weakened the whole concept.)

On the Siber issue, I managed to place a post in the little-read Bits forum (if you can see it):

Bits Du Jour
Siber-Roboform and the ethics of crippling an export function.

From this experience, my former enthusiasm for Bits has been greatly dampened.  Little reason to get involved in discussion (except for maybe the rare situation such as helping with Linkman discussion) and purchases now considered largely done.


48  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / scripting tool to read emails and move matching embedded graphics & attachments on: September 06, 2012, 03:55:40 AM

Eudora has an interesting technique of saving "embedded graphics" pictures and "attachments" (pictures, PDF, etc) in their own folders, and keeping the actual mail in a rather simple form in an .mbx file .. pointing to the two folders when necessary.  Architecturally, it makes some sense, although I think most mailers keep the pictures (in long string mode) inside the .mbx  file. This is one of the things addressed by conversion and import-export programs.

Now, I have a huge folder, mostly with lots of worthless .jpg, with my Eudora, going back many years, including all sorts of email forum nothings. 

However, about 1% of those (maybe 1000 .jpg) are related to a group of specific emails that I want to archive properly and separately. (Largely corroborative research, using .jpg made by Abbyy Screenshot reader of google and other book text online.)

So I want to read the actual mail of those limited folders with emails to be archived, find the lines like this:

Content-Disposition: inline; filename="file name.jpg
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="int_1.jpg"

(There may be one more for something like hybrid or multi-part.)

And then copy or move all the matching file names into their own special folders.
And I don't mind learning a script language to do this.

What is my tool of choice ?
 Autohotkey ? AutoIt ? Something else ?

Your expertise and thoughts appreciated.


49  Other Software / Found Deals and Discounts / Re: $30 Driver Genius 11: $19 on: July 27, 2012, 10:05:07 AM

My recommendation :

Double Driver freeware for saving your drivers (can be helpful on an OS reinstall, especially the Ethernet driver and the screen driver.)  Of course, if you have a good early image install, this is less likely to be needed, but it is simple enough to save your files to an external disk (best) and/or a cloud place.

Double Driver

Many companies are problematic, or have little tricks on the back-end.

Deceitful trick by Driver Magician developer. - March 7, 2009

The Driver Genius product from Avanquest is simply not worth the money, and installing new drivers over working ones is always questionable.  My view .. maybe worth $5 or $10 or so to some as a paid program.  At least it probably does not have tricks, hopefully.  

Maybe as an FYI you might use some program to see how outdated such-and-such is.  Nothing automatic, always try to download from the manufacturer if you think it might actually make a difference, but don't rush to replace any functioning driver.

If someone has a recommended totally freeware, no-toolbar driver product that simply makes recommendations that you could think about installing from the manufacturers website, I would think about that for fun.  Much like I run those programs that tell me about all the updates to my installed programs.

50  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Linkman save methodology on: July 24, 2012, 06:41:01 AM

Many of you, like me, probably use Linkman as an all-purpose PIM and information repository, as well as bookmarks.  There is one behaviour I noticed that I want to discuss with the Donationcoder experts.

Linkman has a method of saving to backup files with extensions like .ba0, .ba1, etc.  And this is very helpful for giving you access to a recent copy in case of things like a crash.  You have flexibility as to the frequency of the saves, I choose about 10 minutes, not after every add.

What I find perplexing is that the main file .lmd often is behind the .ba_ files when you reopen Linkman after crashes (this can be a Windows forced reboot, or an occasional Linkman lockup) ... and maybe, at times,  even after exiting the program normally.

What I do in that case, if I remember the problem, is go to the backup files in Total Commander, see which is the biggest ( ba0 ) and then rename the .lmd file to .aaa (or anything) and rename the .ba0 file to .lmd .  Thus I have data that is up-to-date.

However, this seems strange to me, that the .lmd file gets so far behind. That it is not updated at the time of the saves. I've discussed this a bit with Thomas from Linkman, without succeeding in getting him to agree that this is unusual.  Now there may be a problem updating the .lmd file which is in memory, that is a techie question. However, do a test, sometimes I think the problem even exists on normal "exits" (at least it has seemed that way to me), where there is not a memory issue.

So your experiences and perspective is welcome. 
Am I missing something ? Is there something that should be improved ?


Steven Avery
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