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126  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Does anyone here use Bitcoins? on: November 05, 2013, 11:41:47 PM
The single most exciting technology since the Internet and only the underlying techno-babble is valid for discussion. The benefits of that technology are taboo, as is being excited about the coolest thing since the Internet. Got it. I'll drop it.
127  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Does anyone here use Bitcoins? on: November 05, 2013, 10:15:41 PM
Bitcoin at risk of network attack, say researchers

The [theoretical] Cornell attack involves one large mining group that does not say when it has been rewarded with new Bitcoins. This "selfish" mining group then begins working on the cryptographic puzzle that will eventually release the next reward.

This gives it an advantage because every other mining group will still be working on a puzzle that has already been solved. By leveraging this advantage and being careful about when they release information about new Bitcoins they have mined, the group could gradually take control of the entire mining system.

More FUD. It doesn't matter. One only need look at the mining pools to understand why. The most important is BTC Guild, and the fellow that owns/runs that is what some would call "religiously driven". He's the #1 person to watch if you're remotely worried about this.

-- For those that want the short version, the paper outlines a method where 25% of the network could possibly pull off a 51% attack.

But FUD doesn't matter anymore. Chinese buying has gone into a frenzy and is now in charge of driving this bus.

Short term predictions:

Steep slope up to CNY 1,600 then run up to CNY 1,800 with small wall. Another run up past 1,900 until a small wall at 2,000 slows things.

The run up to 2,000 could be stopped by panic selling, but that is unlikely. The 3 major markets are closely linked for prices with the Chinese being the driving force. Fundamentals are solid with large wallets being static for prolonged periods and solid buying. Mostly green bars peppered with a bit of red (profit taking).

Media attention is only creating more interest with FUD being discarded. However, western media is becoming less relevant and the market shifts to China with Chinese sentiment being most important.

If BTC breaks the CNY 2,000 barrier, we're either in for panic buying or panic selling. Given the strong upward momentum, I'm hopeful for panic buying, though it's a bit far off to tell. We could see a correction.

Since I started writing this, BTC rose about 0.76% on solid volume.

Check http://btccharts.com for depth to have a look. That'll explain or clarify what I have above.

Also, see here: http://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/btcchina/btccny
128  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Knight to queen's bishop 3 - Snowden charged with espionage. on: November 04, 2013, 07:44:16 PM
From the funny department... smog is a matter of national security! tongue


Big Brother blinded: Security fears in China as smog disrupts cameras
Teams of scientists assigned to find a solution as heavy pollution makes national surveillance network useless, raising fear of terror attack

To the central government, the smog that blankets the country is not just a health hazard, it's a threat to national security.

Last month visibility in Harbin dropped to below three metres because of heavy smog. On days like these, no surveillance camera can see through the thick layers of particles, say scientists and engineers.

To the authorities, this is a serious national security concern. Beijing has invested heavily to build up a nationwide surveillance network that lets police watch every major street and corner in main cities.

Really? Smog limits visibility to 3 m and they're worried about national security?

You can't make this stuff up.
129  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Does anyone here use Bitcoins? on: November 04, 2013, 07:32:09 PM
Fully electronic currency, however, is an idea whose time has come. Because unlike cash, it must create records if it's going to work. And that provides the perfect mechanism for the absolute surveillance of everybody everywhere at all times.

Which is why something like Dark Wallet is a good thing. Any government issued electronic currency isn't worth using for anything for any reason ever.

Want anonymity? Take a tip from government covert ops and criminals everywhere. Use cash, real gold, or real diamonds. Electronic anything just won't cut it.

Yes. Or use bitcoin with suitable measures to ensure anonymity. smiley (Which is still reasonably anonymous without massive effort that are completely unrealistic for every single transaction made.)

BTW - You forgot silver. Grin Poor man's gold.

Regarding buying MS stock...


Q. When was Microsoft's initial public offering (IPO)?
A. Microsoft went public March 13, 1986 at $21.00 per share.

Which I guess doesn't account for stock splits, etc. The original price was around $0.10 and today is around $36 (incidentally, it's at a relative high now):


27 years to about 3,600x increase or around 133x/year average
4 years to about 239,000x increase or around 59,750x/year average (from 10 BTC per penny originally)

Bitcoin is still offering 2 orders of magnitude more.

For fun (video):

130  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Does anyone here use Bitcoins? on: November 04, 2013, 11:30:34 AM
Paypal is in a very delicate position and stands to lose far more than they'd gain embracing and unconditionally endorsing Bitcoin right now. Bitcoin is still largely the province of geeks and campus coffeshop economic revolutionaries and bloggers. Until Bitcoin becomes more mainstream (and the bitcoin crowd tones down their rhetoric a bit and stops talking down to those who don't share their religion) I don't think Paypal is gonna stick their neck out too far for Bitcoin. At least not until the whole "Bitcoin thing" grows up a little more- in every sense.

I take it that you're not a convert? tongue Grin

To the moon!!! ┗(°0°)┛

Here's a quick run down:

  • When this thread started, bitcoins were trading at $12.35.
  • Today they are $232.00.
  • Had you bought $100 worth of bitcoins when this thread started, you'd have almost $2,000 worth of purchasing power today.
  • Miners have invested huge amounts in dedicated hardware.
  • Thousands of businesses all over the world accept bitcoins.
  • Many new companies are starting up to offer dedicated bitcoin services and physical products for Bitcoin.
  • Online trading platform companies are spamming ads saying they offer a bitcoin trading platform just to get you to their site only to discover that they don't let you trade in bitcoins.
  • BTC China has become the #1 exchange.
  • Chinese money is pouring into both bitcoins and litecoins.
  • OKcoin.com is going berserk with business.
  • Looking at bitcoin charts, price rises are solidly backed by buying (green bars).
  • Long term trends are all up without exception.

40, you seem to be so resistant in the face of overwhelming evidence that this really is the next big thing. Wouldn't you have loved to have bought "sex.com" or some other sweet-ass domain name way back for $75? Being dirt poor at the time, I didn't. I later wished that I had.

I can see PayPal being resistant and waiting until more merchants start accepting bitcoins and Bitpay and the other BTC processors start to become a thread.

Just the way bitcoins work for payments is so much better than credit cards or PayPal or whatever. There's just zero comparison. Send however much you want to whoever you want, wherever you want, whenever you want, and all for $0.02 *IF* you want to pay a fee at all. Yes - paying a fee for sending money is entirely optional!

I've sent money all over the world to countries on 4 continents for almost nothing. The loose change on my desk is orders of magnitude more than the fees I paid to send that money. And the money arrived near instantly!

I didn't get raped on foreign exchange spreads. I didn't get routed through a half dozen banks that all take a cut. I didn't have to pay fees on both ends. I didn't have to wait several days. All of which I have to deal with when using "regular" banking.

It not being religious. It's just looking at overwhelming evidence and recognizing it for what it is.

I really don't understand why I'm the only one here at DC that's excited about this.
131  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Knight to queen's bishop 3 - Snowden charged with espionage. on: November 04, 2013, 10:49:31 AM
^ I love Lewis! Both Lewis Carroll and C. S. Lewis. It's a tough call to decide between the two, but I think C. S. wins out.  Thmbsup
132  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Does anyone here use Bitcoins? on: November 04, 2013, 04:36:04 AM
Authoritarian supression can not be supressed. If rebels are too strong, they will call in the Evil Emperor and his dark Jedi to use the dark side of the Force for them. Don't laugh, why do you think dystopias are so popular in literature?  Be very careful how you rebel, atomic war and nuclear winter are not laughable.

I'm not that pessimistic. We have many examples of successful revolutions throughout history. What we need now is one, well, now.


Ebay Expands Accepted Digital Currencies, Says PayPal May One Day Incorporate BitCoin

First it was China hinting that where Silk Road failed in monetizing, pardon the pun, BitCoin, the world's most populous nation could soon take the lead. Then, none other than private equity titan Fortress said it had great expectations for the digital currency. Now, it is eBay's turn to announce that it is preparing to expand the range of digital currencies it accepts, adding that "its payment unit PayPal may one day incorporate BitCoin." But not just yet. FT reports that according to eBay CEO John Donahoe, "digital currency is going to be a very powerful thing."

Bitcoin could heat up quite a bit if PayPal jumps in. That would definitely take it mainstream real quick.
133  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: CryptoLocker and CryptoPrevent on: November 04, 2013, 04:05:35 AM
Is it ethical to hand over your wallet to a robber with a gun/knife?

I don't think it's an ethical question. It's a practical question. Do you save your own skin?

For ransomware, it's close to the same question.

It sets up a damned if you do, damned if you don't dichotomy - no matter what you do, you're damned. Those aren't ethical questions. They're ethical traps.

A coyote running through the woods steps into a trapper's trap which firmly clamps around his leg. He can either stay there waiting for the trapper to come and kill him, or die waiting, or he can chew off his leg. The coyote is damned, damned or damned. Which damnation do you prefer?

Colourless green ideas sleep furiously.

A barber in a town shaves all the men who do not shave themselves. Does the barber shave himself?

Johnny creates a maze for which there is no exit. Sally goes in and the entrance slams shut. How does she get out?

Q) Which of the following chocolate bars contains nuts?

1) Ferarri 458 Spider
2) Coconut trees
3) Star Wars: A New Hope
4) Lime green

These kinds of cases only show that it is possible to create questions that are outside of a particular domain and that asking the question within that domain yields a nonsensical answer.

You only lose if you play the game.
134  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Knight to queen's bishop 3 - Snowden charged with espionage. on: November 04, 2013, 02:57:06 AM
And on the revelation front, the guardian has posted a new piece:


I still need to get around to reading that...

But there's another story and it's shorter:


While Edward Snowden may be reviled at the top echelons of Western developed nations and is wanted in his native US on espionage charges for peeling back the curtain on how the gargantuan government machine truly works when it is not only engaged in chronic spying on anyone abroad, but worse, on its own people, the reality is that his whistleblowing revelations have done more to shift the narrative to the topic of dwindling individual liberties abused pervasively in the US and elsewhere, than anything else in recent years. And alongside that, have led to the first reform momentum of a system that is deeply broken. Which also happens to be the topic of a five-paragraph opinion piece he released today in German weekly Der Spiegel titled "A Manifesto For The Truth" in which he writes that his revelations have been useful and society will benefit from them and that he was therefore justified in revealing the methods and targets of the US secret service.

In the Op-Ed we read that "Instead of causing damage, the usefulness of the new public knowledge for society is now clear because reforms to politics, supervision and laws are being suggested."

RT adds: "Spying as a global problem requires global solutions, he said, stressing that "criminal surveillance programs" by secret services threaten open societies, individual privacy and freedom of opinion.

"Citizens have to fight against the suppression of information about affairs of essential importance for the public,” Snowden said in his five-paragraph manifesto. Hence, “those who speak the truth are not committing a crime."

In Soviet Amerika, crime commit you. tongue
135  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: good Videos [short films] here :) on: November 04, 2013, 01:12:51 AM
Zombie Apocalypse Economics 101:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKj7W-s0qmo" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKj7W-s0qmo</a>

 Thmbsup Thmbsup Thmbsup Thmbsup Thmbsup

136  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: iPads banned from Cabinet meetings over surveillance fears on: November 03, 2013, 09:39:20 PM
Bathhouse anyone? Wink
137  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / ‘Biohacker’ Implants Massive Computer Chip In Forearm on: November 02, 2013, 08:25:21 PM
Umm... I'll pass, thank you.


Biohacker and transhumanist Tim Cannon may be the first known human to implant a computer chip capable of transmitting biometrical data to an android device.

During an interview with Motherboard Magazine, the “Circadia 1.0,” an open-source device capable of recording and transmitting body temperature over Bluetooth, was successfully implanted into Cannon’s left forearm.

More at the link with disturbing photos to boot.
138  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: silly humor - post 'em here! [warning some NSFW and adult content] on: November 02, 2013, 07:13:21 PM
Renegade: I don't know your Wikipedia editorial status, but your article isn't there or can't be found.
 (see attachment in previous post)       (see attachment in previous post)

It got deleted really fast.
139  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Lavabit & Silent Circle Bring You ==> DARKMAIL on: November 02, 2013, 08:46:39 AM
Profound implications. Privacy brought to you by people that have proven themselves.



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More at the site.

140  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Does anyone here use Bitcoins? on: November 02, 2013, 05:43:01 AM
WOW! When I donated, there were only a couple hundred dollars worth of donations, but they raised almost 50% of their $50,000 goal on day 1!

From an email:

Combined with our Bitcoin donations. Dark Wallet reached 50% of its goal on Day 1. None of us saw that coming. Incredible.

Please continue to share this page with others. $50k but no visibility is only half the battle. We must feed the revolutionary imagination!
141  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: silly humor - post 'em here! [warning some NSFW and adult content] on: November 02, 2013, 05:39:13 AM
142  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: silly humor - post 'em here! [warning some NSFW and adult content] on: November 01, 2013, 10:13:24 PM
I'm kinda wondering if I'm going to get banned from editing Wikipedia...


...nope - not banned, but deleted darn fast!
143  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: silly humor - post 'em here! [warning some NSFW and adult content] on: November 01, 2013, 08:50:17 PM
It's why I've advocated for months now that any "humor" of a politicoreligious nature be relegated to the Basement.

So a Commie Jew, a Greek Orthodox Nazi, and a Polish Catholic Anarchist walk into a bar... tongue Grin
144  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Meet “badBIOS,” the mysterious Mac and PC malware that jumps airgaps on: November 01, 2013, 08:23:13 PM
Sorry, I was referring to the 'theory' about the high frequency networking side of it.

Ah. Got it.

Some news asking if it's a hoax or not:


On Thursday, Ars Technica ran a story about badBIOS, a nasty piece of malware allegedly discovered three years ago by security consultant Dragos Ruiu on an Apple laptop. The malware is so sophisticated that some wonder if the story is real or just a hoax.

If it's not a hoax, it's darn scary. If it is a hoax, then GOOD! cheesy

I'm not sure though. There's enough really sophisticated stuff out there that makes something like this plausible.
145  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Meet “badBIOS,” the mysterious Mac and PC malware that jumps airgaps on: November 01, 2013, 09:52:09 AM
@4wd - You're missing a lot there. Audio frequencies have nothing to do with it.
146  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Meet “badBIOS,” the mysterious Mac and PC malware that jumps airgaps on: November 01, 2013, 06:48:55 AM
I'm not sure why you're so skeptical, especially in light of things like we've already seen released at Black Hat (RFID hacking up to 250 m). Much less the Black Hat presentation where the speaker was assassinated the day before...

And then there's the entire car hacking thing. Famous journalist anyone?

It's not that far fetched. There are plenty of examples of similar technologies out there.

However, I've not looked into it deeply. It's just something to keep in the back of your mind at the moment unless you've got the time to look into it further, which I don't have.
147  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Knight to queen's bishop 3 - Snowden charged with espionage. on: November 01, 2013, 03:49:35 AM
Edward Snowden for President!


I would like to seriously suggest that Edward Snowden, whether he wishes it or not, has a great future in American politics.

When it's all over - and he has been exonerated - it would behoove any of the 'third-party' political organizations opposed to unconstitutional practices, such as mass surveillance, or tapping the phones of foreign leaders, or waging undeclared foreign wars of aggression, to draft Edward Snowden to run for the US senate in 2016, and the presidency in 2020 when he will be over 35 and meet the constitutional age requirement to run.

Snowdens qualifications: Honesty, integrity, courage, putting 'doing the right thing' above personal advantage, and standing up for the basic democratic rights of the American people.

 Thmbsup  Cool
148  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Meet “badBIOS,” the mysterious Mac and PC malware that jumps airgaps on: November 01, 2013, 02:51:43 AM
Be afraid. Be very afraid. This is seriously scary stuff.


Three years ago, security consultant Dragos Ruiu was in his lab when he noticed something highly unusual: his MacBook Air, on which he had just installed a fresh copy of OS X, spontaneously updated the firmware that helps it boot. Stranger still, when Ruiu then tried to boot the machine off a CD ROM, it refused. He also found that the machine could delete data and undo configuration changes with no prompting. He didn't know it then, but that odd firmware update would become a high-stakes malware mystery that would consume most of his waking hours.

In the following months, Ruiu observed more odd phenomena that seemed straight out of a science-fiction thriller. A computer running the Open BSD operating system also began to modify its settings and delete its data without explanation or prompting. His network transmitted data specific to the Internet's next-generation IPv6 networking protocol, even from computers that were supposed to have IPv6 completely disabled. Strangest of all was the ability of infected machines to transmit small amounts of network data with other infected machines even when their power cords and Ethernet cables were unplugged and their Wi-Fi and Bluetooth cards were removed. Further investigation soon showed that the list of affected operating systems also included multiple variants of Windows and Linux.

"We were like, 'Okay, we're totally owned,'" Ruiu told Ars. "'We have to erase all our systems and start from scratch,' which we did. It was a very painful exercise. I've been suspicious of stuff around here ever since."

More at the link.

149  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Apple vs. Samsung Goes NUCLEAR! on: November 01, 2013, 01:04:36 AM
^ Thanks for the update!  Thmbsup

I'm not sure whether I'm laughing through my vomit, or vomiting through my laughter though. Again, more patently insane confuzzlement...  huh
150  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: silly humor - post 'em here! [warning some NSFW and adult content] on: November 01, 2013, 12:06:57 AM
That recent retreat that your local librarians went on... well, it's toughened them up so that you don't screw with them.

Fear your librarian... then fear your librarian once more...


Man Jailed For Overdue Library Book

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