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1826  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Ubuntu 8.04 "Hardy Heron" on: April 25, 2008, 03:09:45 PM
OK, so this got released on Monday and I missed it. Oh well, wait a few days for server bog to calm down and I figure I'm gold.
My favorite flavor being Xubuntu, I head over to:

(or you can try http://www.ubuntu.com/ or http://www.kubuntu.org/)
Grabbed a Torrent, read up on the Release Notes while it downloaded, then just because I'm at work on a Windows machine, for fun I mounted the iso with MagicDisc.

What's this?
[attach=2]

huh I can install on a Windows machine WITHOUT PARTITIONING?!?! Sweet!!
So THAT's what this Wubi business is all about, hm?
I guess the boss won't mind...
[attach=3]

So, after rebooting, there was an Xubuntu entry in XP's boot screen, so I chose it and after answering a question or two, it finished installing and I have a full installation residing in C:\ubuntu.
First items of business: Internet and Printing.

The internet was already on, thanks to DHCP on our router, but then came the big surprise.
I hit the print setup utility and lo! behold! our brand-spanking-new Xerox 7655 (which is on the LAN) came up in the list.
Nice.
It didn't have a proper driver (the Xerox website has a driver for RedHat and Suse) but I was able to mount my windows disk and give it the windows' PPD file...

It worked.

I'll give more details after I recover...
1827  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Vista Aero vs. Linux Compiz on: April 25, 2008, 02:05:32 PM
OK, I'm going to sidestep the flow here and say fragmentation is the least of my worries running Linux.  cheesy

Wikipedia says it pretty well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3#Defragmentation

Besides, Ext4 will have built-in defragmentation, so there.  tongue
1828  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Vista Aero vs. Linux Compiz on: April 25, 2008, 11:09:21 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong (and somebody usually does...), but it's not whether Linux does or doesn't need fragmentation, but how any particular filesystem deals with the inevitable fragmentation. Any multi-user, multitasking operating system should not benefit greatly from defragmentation (ntfs included...) and there are valid arguments against defragging such a system.

Linux adherents have been sold the mantra "no need for fragmentation" because the guys who designed the filesystem designed it from a multiuser multitask standpoint from the first.

It's not a lie, it's a misconception of the nature of the problem.

If the msdos and fat filesystems had been designed this way from the first, we wouldn't even be asking this question.

I know this is old, and concerns mainly the ext2 filestystem, but it's a very good technical explanation of the situation from the wtfl-lug mailing list:
http://www.salmar.com/pip...ug/2002-March/000603.html
Here's a perl script for checking fragmentation:
http://lxer.com/module/ne...ire/view/96989/index.html
...and an non-techie ascii-art explanation of linux filesystem fragmentation here:
http://geekblog.oneandone..._linux_need_defragmenting

1829  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Searchme - another visual search attempt on: April 24, 2008, 10:29:24 AM
Well, since Pagebull went down, I might try this one.
It was nice to use to see thumbnails of pages that you might remember by how it looks rather than the content, even though the content is what you're after.
Certainly not for the odd one-off searches for detailed info, but very useful nonetheless.
I, for one, am glad it's an option...
1830  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Cool Free Color Picker Tools on: April 22, 2008, 07:35:56 PM
Ooh! ooh! My turn!

PKcolorPicker
http://www.pkworld.de/start.htm

[attach=1]


The one I always come back to when I'm in Windows-land and need to theme a litestep or something.
1831  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: You know you're addicted to DC software when... on: April 21, 2008, 05:43:17 PM
It just struck me as funny that I was intending to run FARR and was trying to use FARR to do it with... It was a vertigo-inducing blend of Escher and Kafka for a second there.
1832  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / You know you're addicted to DC software when... on: April 21, 2008, 01:05:27 PM
(this really happened to me...)

... You hit the 'break' key intending type "fin" and hit enter so you can run FARR and realize it doesn't work because FARR isn't running, and then realize what you were just now attempting to do...
wallbash


Post yours!
1833  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Recycling Epson ink - where??? on: April 18, 2008, 06:47:33 PM
I started through it, but it looks like an actual printer recycle program - not ink. Sad
dang.
Have you tried searching their site?

1) Go to a local shop that refills your cartridges.
2) Save $$$
3) ...
4) PROFIT!
Not with Epson cartridges. They have a chip in them that ticks off when they're done.

At least that's what I heard. I have always used HP printers. You can refill them until they fall apart.
1834  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Recycling Epson ink - where??? on: April 17, 2008, 02:49:55 PM
Start here:
http://www.epson.com/cgi-...er.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=yes
and see where it takes you.
1835  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Cool but strange web comic on: April 16, 2008, 05:32:59 PM
Yes! I had just gone through quite a bit of that before giving up...
It's like those old "choose your own adventure" books, but cooler.

 Cool
1836  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Cool but strange web comic on: April 16, 2008, 05:05:35 PM
I'm not sure if I like the way it ends either, but the amnesia angle makes it ok, I think.

Maybe I liked it because I've always liked short stories where the situation seems absolutely hopeless except for the teeny glimmer of hope left hanging at the end.

And then I read Kafka and it all goes away...

Check out some of the other strips on that page.
April Fooled is a total hoot, and I'm about halfway through Bus stop


1837  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: [shell-fu]$ on: April 16, 2008, 02:17:58 PM
Awesome!
I wish I had these in a fortune file...

Reminds me of the adage I read on LinuxCommand.org:
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I once heard an author remark that when you are a child you use a computer by looking at the pictures. When you grow up, you learn to read and write. Welcome to Computer Literacy 101. Now let's get to work.
1838  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Cool but strange web comic on: April 16, 2008, 02:02:41 PM
Okay, it's not really a webcomic, but since the magazine it originally ran in didn't think it "fit in" so Jason published it for the web.
Careful, some extreme math is part of the plot...

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...It's about a boy who wakes up in a telephone booth which has been mysteriously sealed in an envelope of concrete. Using only the contents of his pockets (two pens, a paperback novel, three coins and 20 ft of unwaxed dental floss) our hero must fashion and execute an escape plan before he runs out of oxygen.



from somewhere
1839  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Download Demons... on: April 14, 2008, 05:51:44 PM
The only thing I use a downloader for is when I really need to grab all the pdf's or whatnots on a page without going one... link... at... a... time...

I have found the Firefox extension Down Them All! to be the best one so far.
I've tried flashget, leechget and freedownload manager.
None of them were as simple to use. (for me anyways...)
1840  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Vista Aero vs. Linux Compiz on: April 14, 2008, 04:53:45 PM
Sorry, that was a response to your "parting shot" not an assessment of yourself  tongue

Seriously, my best advice would be to keep trying. You're in that percentage of potential users whose hurdles are higher than most, and folks like you are what the "community" is supposed to be for...

I have an HP all-in-one I bought about 5 years ago. When I first hooked it up, the driver situation was bad. Then again, the open-source drivers and toolkit was a fledgling project in a corner of HP's website and I was trying to compile on a Slackware 10 system. 2 years later I discovered Ubuntu and gave it a go.
Today, I am using Xubuntu and it all works. Printing, scanning, the whole bit (I haven't figured out faxing, but who in the heck faxes anymore?). Admittedly, the printing situation in Linux is in different territory from Windows and some things just aren't there, but the moral of the story is it will be.
I also had a Lexmark and well, we won't go there...

I have had more success with sound cards than with anything. What kind do you have?
I have used (successfully) a handful of different Sound Blasters, an Ensoniq 13-something and an Intel 4270 (i think) that doesn't work unless I set the sample rate to 48000  huh (but I get 8.4 msecs of latency... w00t!  :thumbsup: ). Eventually I will upgrade to a M-Audio Audiophile or Delta-4 (at least), and I have been assured that Linux drivers for them are not lacking.

Yes, you will have to make some compromises, many painful. But if you want it bad enough, you'll get there. Really.
In my experience, you have to do a lot of reading to piece together what may be wrong when something goes wrong.
You have to spend a lot of time at a terminal to get at the guts of whats going on.
You have to spend a lot of time at the Google looking for answers and trying... every... one... (that's not easy on a dialup connection  Cry )

I am sure there will come a day when every software package comes in a Linux version, all hardware works as well as it does on Windows, and sitting in front of a Linux machine will be a welcome break from Microsoft's train wreck, instead of the other way around. But it won't happen if people keep giving up.

Don't give up.

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Business stuff that I use (both hardware and custom software) locks me into Windows.
This is exactly the kind of thing that is keeping a LOT of folks who COULD and WANT to switch from actually doing so. It's called vendor lock-in and it tastes funny. But if it works, and there is not an alternative, then "want to switch" isn't going to taste any better.
1841  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Vista Aero vs. Linux Compiz on: April 14, 2008, 02:42:02 PM
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Actually I have contacted a number of hardware manufacturers (including Linksys, Netgear and Canon) to ask why their hardware doesn't have Linux support. The two common threads in response seem to be first (and most important) money - why should they develop drivers for hardware that would sell in tiny quantieis for Linux - there is simply no return on such investment whereas supporting Windows (and even Mac) has a cash benefit. Secondly the number of competing distros makes developing anything much difficult especially as they all have their own quirks for installation and folder structures etc.
Both VERY bad justifications. Especially when NOT developing for Linux is going to LOSE them money to competitors who WILL. As for the folders thing, that's a cop-out. There are places where drivers go that does not change. They would know this if they did any serious research. As long as the kernel can communicate with it, and it does what it says on the tin, well... good. Nvidia figured this stuff out a long time ago, and I don't see them losing a dime over it. And if you want to install a fancy gui and some power user tools there's always /opt.

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there is no way Adobe is going to spend millions developing a product which they give away for nothing.
They don't have to. Nobody ever said that just because you're running Linux, you're automatically looking for a handout from big bad software corporation. Yes, it's a niche market. But look at how many of the current software "killer apps" started out as a niche market? Adobe can charge the same price and nobody would flinch, they would be seen as a market leader and folks who have been itching for an excuse to go to Linux for whatever reason would now have one more reason to do so and Adobe wouldn't lose a customer. So far, nobody has been that brave. Adobe has already done it with Reader- a free product. Real has done it. Flash has been successfully ported to Linux. Trust me, when they figure out how to make money with it (and many already have) it will happen, period.

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Really - how do I email somebody called zog somewhere in the Ukraine ?
If it's open source, you probably would never have to. But you could.

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Seriously - how would I write to the developers of the GIMP and expect an answer - it just isn't realistic. If it were there would be no development at all as they would be permanently swamped with good ideas from users.
Personal response is not necessary. Read any major software project's bug tracking logs. All logged by users emailing or posting "I got bug X in build XYZ". Maybe not the most helpful, but at least there is a place for that to happen. Bugs get fixed the same way they do with other software... because enough people squawked. Easy bugs get fixed before hard bugs, and sometimes not at all, that's just the way it goes. Windows software is not immune from this either.

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Parting shot and then I'll shut up - if Linux is so perfect (as most Linux worshippers seem to think it is) why can't they even give it away?
Some friends of mine had a dog they wanted to give to me. Purebred, all papers included, sweet tempered, loves children, house trained, everything. Perfect.
One problem.
I did not want a dog.
Nothing wrong with dogs, nothing wrong with this particular dog, but they could not give it to me because I did not want it. Under different circumstances, perhaps I would be overjoyed at my friend's kindness to me in offering such a wonderful dog for me to own, free of charge.

You do not want Linux....

P.S. I never said Linux was perfect, and worshipping it is absurd. I am only doing what (very) little I can to defend my usage of it against the torrent of misconceptions about it.
Now I'll shut up too...
1842  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: mibbit.com - high quality irc chat via the web on: April 14, 2008, 01:34:20 PM
BTW- this is where ircatwork.com went, in case anybody wanted to know...
1843  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Vista Aero vs. Linux Compiz on: April 14, 2008, 12:40:02 PM
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For example, I use PhotoShop a lot - the GIMP (whilst worthy) is not a viable alternative for me. Similarly for Sony Vegas etc. for video.
My point exactly. If those things work for you, please use them. I can't figure out Photoshop or Illustrator for the life of me, but I can't work up enough about it to complain, I'm doing amazing things in Inkscape (amazing to me, anyways), and I know of more than one professional who uses Gimp exclusively and no-one questions the quality of their work. To each his own, I guess.

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If all I wanted to do was to write letters, a bit of spreadsheet stuff, surf the web and send/receive emails then Linux would absolutely be the way i would go - and I would buy a suitable printer and scanner to make it worth my while. Unfortunately I want my expensive computer to do more than that.

Carol, you know as well as I do that Linux can do WAY more than that, and do it well. From other things you wrote, I gather much of your beef with Linux is that there is not a Photoshop version for it, WiFi is still spotty, and it won't recognize your scanner. If I were in your shoes, I certainly would find those things annoying in the least, and those types of things are exactly the "Digital Tipping Point" we're all waiting for.

But don't blame those things on Linux, please.
Blame Adobe (they made a fully capable Adobe Reader for Linux, what's the hold-up with the rest of their offering?).
Blame hardware manufacturers with Microsoft's fingerprints on their bankroll that won't allow them to release a decent API for open source driver developers.
Remember, the folks coding the drivers and interfaces are most of the time flying blind in their spare time, and still they've managed to cobble together a serious contender to the biggest player in the field.

As for documentation and bugfixing, I agree. At least you can email and bug the author about them. Even if it doesn't get fixed, you have had your voice. Try emailing the author of MSOffice's "Ribbon". Oh wait... you can't.

Back On Topic:
Open Source has done more than it's fair share of trying to grab attention, and it has succeeded (you don't get sued because you sat in the corner...). As I just mentioned, what is needed is more support from outside, namely more commercial apps available for Linux. (Games and "Professional" applications are the biggies here...)and Open API's for hardware interfaces.
I can't think of much more, but those are certainly the big ones I can see...
1844  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Vista Aero vs. Linux Compiz on: April 14, 2008, 11:36:21 AM
Gee, for some reason I must have missed the boat here...
According to the reasoning of folks who in all likelihood may be much wiser than me, I should have a spare fire extinguisher, emergency radiation suit and life insurance policy upgrade because I choose to run Linux at home.
I do all kinds of stuff with my Linux boxes, and less (I said LESS) headaches than I ever had with Windows. Seriously. I won't go into details.

If anybody has such an Issue with Linux, I have a simple solution:
Don't use it.
I too, fail to see what all the fuss is, so let us fanboys happily compute away with an operating system that somehow magically works for us and nobody else.

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Sorry I promised I wouldn't write this response but couldn't stop myself.
Spot on, Carol. I've already said once that I was going to take my GNU and go home. nono2
1845  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Is Firefox 3.0 the "Fat Elvis?" on: April 14, 2008, 11:15:46 AM
Pavlov, a Mozilla developer, has a very easy-to-read explanation of the memory-usage improvements made in Firefox 3:

http://blog.pavlov.net/20...1/firefox-3-memory-usage/

They not only put in a garbage collector, they used entirely different memory allocation code (Jason Evans' jemalloc), timers for cached pages, automatic flushing of uncompressed image data, and optimized the code for cycle breaking.
The results?
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...
Conclusion

Our work has paid off.

We’re significantly smaller than previous versions of Firefox and other browsers.

You can keep the browser open for much longer using much less memory.

Extensions are much less likely to cause leaks.

We’ve got automated tools in place to detect leaks that might result from new code. We’re always monitoring and testing to make sure we’re moving in the right direction.

All of this has been done while dramatically improving performance.
...

Fat Elvis? Don't think so, even if the rhinestones and stagelights might still carry a bit of weight...
1846  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Do you collect anything? on: April 10, 2008, 07:30:21 PM
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Nice collection.  I didn't see OS 9 (AT&T) or OS X (Mac) on your list?  Are you slipping?

Do you mean Plan 9? That was the next one on my list  Evil

I never had any mac hardware so I never got to play with OS X or 9 or 7 or any of that. Sad
If I did, you could probably add Darwin to that list...
1847  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Do you collect anything? on: April 10, 2008, 05:06:49 AM
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Operating Systems
...
Aargh! My weak spot... (and I thought I was immune to this thread...)
For some reason I just cannot resist when some rebel upstart offers an alternative to the MS experience, just for fun, or when I get a fancy to go back to the "good old days".
Some of the OS's sitting in my bin right now (not counting the Windows NT through XP cd's and the stack of Linux distros and live cd's I tried before finally settling on Xubuntu):

MS-DOS 6.22 (3 floppies)
Windows 3.11 (6 floppies)
OS/2 Warp 4 (3 floppies + 1 CD)
OS/2 Warp 4.52 (2 CD's)
FreeDOS 1.1 (the latest!)
BeOS 5 PE (1 CD)
Syllable OS (2 CD's:1 unmarked, 1 latest ver. 0.6.4)
NetBSD (2 CD's I downloaded in 2002, never got around to installing...)
QNX Demo Disk (Network and Modem versions, 1 floppy each)
MenuetOS (0.76, 0.83 and 0.85, 1 floppy each)
VisopSys 0.69 (1 floppy)
V2OS 0.64 (strangest of the bunch... 1 floppy)

And I fear it's not going to stop there... ohmy
1848  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Lists Of Microsoft's Fame And Shame - 2008 on: April 08, 2008, 07:13:56 PM
I was with Lashiec, thinking it was a list of Microsofts products rather than methods, so I was in the dark concerning some of his points.
One thing raised an eyebrow though, in his requests list for Silverlight:
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WPF-esque 3D support by befriending OpenGL. Please. Every platform supports OGL. EVERY PLATFORM!
Hey! Wasn't MS all over OpenGL around '95 or so (remember the maze screensaver that had 'OpenGL' written on one of the walls?) and then they came up with some whizbang name (DirectX) for their own graphics library and dropped OpenGL like a hot rock?
I thought so.
I don't think his point on that one's gonna fly, especially when he drools all over Direct3D in the very next paragraph...
1849  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: XP's slow death is approaching, according to Microsoft's timeline on: April 04, 2008, 12:36:45 PM
Oh, but haven't you heard? Vista SP1 simply installs XP
 smiley
ok, so it was only a joke, but personally I am fearing Windows 7
 Grin Grin
1850  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: 25 interesting things that you learn about computers only in the movies on: April 03, 2008, 10:29:23 AM
That all started with Blade Runner, remember? Harrison Ford zoomed in on a picture of the "skin job" stripper and her snake prop until he could read the id number micro-stamped on one of the scales.

(how many dpi can you freaking fit in a jpeg to be able to do that? ack.)
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