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1501  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Tagging Files (Tag Everything) on: January 22, 2009, 06:33:16 PM
kartal, I've mentioned Compendium so many times in the other threads here that it sounds like I'm shilling but you might want to consider that.

It's a java app so it's slow and the interface might not appeal to you but it's much more stable.

I know PersonalBrain also does that though it's not free and very expensive.

I'd also like to point out that Evernote 3.0 Premium has a way of uploading documents now and Incollector is a tag based notetaker that allows you to tag urls and text links. You guys probably know of how Google Docs has labels so you could possibly use Incollector in conjunction with it.

Tobu is another alternative that someone from another thread recommended to me.

Compendium (Download Alpha, it's a much more updated stable version)

http://compendium.open.ac...ute/download/download.htm

Incollector

http://www.incollector.devnull.pl/

Tobu

http://tobu.lightbird.net/
1502  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Awesome article re: organization and notetaking on: January 22, 2009, 06:21:12 PM
Yeah, I agree PPLandry.

Out of curiosity, could you explain if IQ does that?

I know that the spreadsheet style combination allows you to control what data comes out but I think for most of us, we're used to the idea of multiple hierarchies as being filtered by tags. Could help us further expand our perceptions of organization. (though it might sound like shilling your product, that's why I'm deliberately requesting for your answer so it doesn't come off that way)

Also, I don't think IQ has a real flat view in the sense of a real dashboard view and not just a tree-list screen with a tree-list hidden. Could you also expand your thoughts on that?
1503  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: The Worst Downloads of 2008 (CNET) on: January 22, 2009, 05:37:32 PM
Wouldn't the worst downloads automatically be anything that came with viruses or other malware, or that file you torrented which ended up with an unknown password on it or was a completely different thing than the download description said?

Shush! It's CNET.  mad (sarcasm)
1504  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: PlayOnLinux might be what the Linux world needs to succeed on: January 22, 2009, 05:34:05 PM
40hz, that's the thing though. Isn't the BSD license also protecting people from these restrictions?

I think the problem with GPL is that the bigger the project goes, the more you don't know who's really contributing to who and the more no one knows who cooked the best recipe because everybody has their little take on the recipe by then.

It's not that they want to steal the recipe but that they are now unable to optimize the recipe because if they change something, someone will accuse them of trying to paint a fork in a new shell but if they stay with the recipe, lots of people will be there to change the recipe haphazardly and you still get a mob where only a select view designs get into the final product and you still have restrictions and you still have problems with making the product better and then you're back to your original free desert where people aren't as motivated to use their freedom to help the project because they get into stupid arguments that are as restricting as more restrictive licenses.

With that said, I'm not really sure what I am saying either. I haven't really bother looking indepth to the GPL and there's now LGPLs and other stuff that further confuse me.
1505  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Awesome article re: organization and notetaking on: January 22, 2009, 05:22:38 PM
Haha. Good one!  Grin

I don't think hierarchies are that bad but often people use their hierarchial to do list as their tasks brain dump list too.

Maybe that's the problem tomos?

By brain dump I mean something like putting the todolist that came into your head and writing it down on the software you're using.

That's why applications like ThinkingRock has a collect section:

First important thing is to put all the todo lists in one place.

Process it (edit it, make the steps smaller, put it in the right section)

and then put it in a hierarchy.

1506  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Awesome article re: organization and notetaking on: January 22, 2009, 04:01:39 AM
tomos, no offense but when I skimmed the article, everything about anything had a negative in that site.
1507  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Awesome article re: organization and notetaking on: January 22, 2009, 02:19:42 AM
Well that's the thing. If you add too many keywords, you're never sure whether you added something to "to_listen" or to "music"

If you added both then you have to always add both for consistency.

It also depends on the interface. I haven't tried this app but for programs like Compendium, you don't really have an intuitive tag view that allows you to become extremely confident in replacing it as your file explorer. If a tagging system's not able to replace your file explorer though, you get to a point where you're more benefitted by the file explorer being in one place than segmenting your focus into two areas.

Yes, you're potentially making things more organized but the sacrifice of losing snappiness is often a much worse pay-off.

1508  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Awesome article re: organization and notetaking on: January 21, 2009, 10:54:53 PM
J-Mac, agreed. Although I believe one day people would be arguing more about how all notetaking apps can't do one thing good but does all things well.

One software also has a problem with needing to keep that software protected. Just one mistake be it messing the entire thing up or finding a more suitable external app for managing your things could set you back ages.

Edit:

Target, nice find! Unfortunately the program appears to be an indexer no more different than drag and dropping a file in Compendium and tagging it.

The problem with these kinds of programs is that you are almost afraid to be reliant on them for fear of messing up your cloud and then you're screwed. (especially since these will just say file missing if you move the files)
1509  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: PlayOnLinux might be what the Linux world needs to succeed on: January 21, 2009, 10:39:09 PM
You know what they say...too much freedom is no freedom at all.  Grin
1510  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Awesome article re: organization and notetaking on: January 21, 2009, 08:09:13 PM
Thanks J-Mac and 40hz. I guess because I've been using Compendium and listening to stuff like David Allen's GTD, I just thought alot of what was written there were conventional advises for notetaking if not flawed in that they really didn't give you any idea how to test it.

For example, Compendium uses the IBIS methodology which lives and dies by putting any kind of notetaking problem into a structure of pros, cons, decisions, questions and answers. It didn't really matter what's bad about a certain system. It just fitted itself into a system that tells what's bad about those other systems by explaining why it doesn't fit into the IBIS paradigm as opposed to creating a bad example of a system they want to look bad to explain the flaws of said system.

http://www.touchstone.com/wp/IBIS.html

40hz, I think David Allen did a better job of explaining the core differences of file cabinets and computers but this is just me assuming they both had the same idea in mind.

I think what the author of that link was saying was that computers are not file cabinets in the sense of you put stuff into it. They are brains in the sense that they're supposed to process what you put in there. Sounds similar but that's why I think Allen explains it better by not demonizing the file cabinet but explaining how to improve the file cabinet which is basically set it up like a physical real world e-mail of your notes rather than something you put stuff in and put stuff in and put stuff in.

Basically he suggests such slight modifications as:

1) Put a cabinet within short distances of where you often take your notes so that you don't need to stand to get something out or put something in.

2) Keep a hierarchy in your file cabinet. One drawer always has blank folders where you go to when wanting to start composing something. One area for every stuff that needs to go in. One area to segment. One area to get out.

Note that this isn't a word by word explanation of what he did and I hardly know what he's talking about (especially when he's referring to no hanging folders) but it does a much better job at explaining the differences between a computer and a file cabinet.

In that same sense, a computer's advantage is that it is possible to collect something and organize it rather than a file cabinet where you are forced to organize it to collect lots of things and find them easily. Ideally this is how it's supposed to work at least that's from what I gathered with that quote.

In essence the goal is to have 1 software that is easy to put stuff into and then easy to view these stuff and then start organizing them and then easy to put all these stuff in different sections of that one program so that it's easy to find them once you structured them.

...hence computer = brain, is actually computer = better at processing lots of information than relying on our own brain's memory and capacity. Psychic Ram as Allen puts it.
1511  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Awesome article re: organization and notetaking on: January 21, 2009, 04:17:08 PM
I liked the article, Paul.  Are you trying to denigrate anyone who happened to like the article just because you happen to dislike it? Really? Do I really have to justify to you what I liked??  Hmm... I do think there is a term for that....  tellme

OK, OK. Settle down - I was just messing with you a little!  Wink

Jim

Haha, yeah you got me.

Quote from: PPLandry
I haven't read it all, but it seems to discuss the relative merits of information organization techniques:
1- Hierarchy
2- Search (no organization)
3- Tags
4- Faceted

My own IQ does the first 3 and "could" be modified do the 4th also.

Yeah, PPLandry, it does but I was referring more to the reasons given.

For example in that hierarchy section, the author was talking entirely about tree-lists. If that weren't bad enough, he used a poor example of a tree list to argue about the problems of a tree list.

But yeah, what Jim said. I'm not trying to denigrate anyone. Just curious to what you guys see so I can understand what needs improving in this guide or whether I can suggest or write a better one for those people who really need this sort of thing but whose needs don't match up with what the article provides.
1512  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Awesome article re: organization and notetaking on: January 21, 2009, 12:12:24 PM
Thanks for the OP who referred to this link. That said, I'm just wondering what's so special about the stuff written there?

I just skimmed the topics and while they have some ideas people might not have read before, I think overall the ideas were flawed in that they skim over the benefits of a well organized feature and use a poor example of it as a straw man to look down upon the features they criticize.

I'm not sure anyone wants to read a long detailed critic of the article and I'm far from a productive organized notetaker so I just want to know what impressed you guys about the article.
1513  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Carbonite Online Backup on: January 21, 2009, 12:04:32 PM
I think online backups are just not viable at this point.

I thought Carbonite and Mozy were good enough too until I searched Google for Carbonite Sucks and Mozy Sucks.

1514  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Is there a way to directly write notes onto the Windows desktop? on: January 21, 2009, 11:55:09 AM
What I'd like to know is how anyone can stay productive with keeping their desktops blank.

I just don't see how you can be productive at cutting your focus between icons and the texts when you're in the desktop.

It seems that if you really want something in front of your monitor, using a real sticky note is much more practical and if you want something fast, a tape recorder or scratchpad besides the monitor is even quicker.
1515  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Switching to Linux for a week on: January 19, 2009, 12:07:02 PM
Edvard, you might want to consider Sidux then.

It is kinda the Linux Mint to Ubuntu of Debian.

http://www.linuxquestions...ux-vs.-debian-sid-683436/
1516  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: List of newbie questions regarding software on: January 19, 2009, 09:11:13 AM
Ok, anyone know any app that cuts the text to the core points?

Seriously, I have WAY too many people not replying in any of my topics as much as I expected them to be. Just a recent example is the Opera topic I made in DC.
1517  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: REQUEST: Add input to a topic I made in Opera's forum on: January 18, 2009, 01:53:19 PM
Yeah, SeaMonkey has always been the popular alternative Desktop Suite to Opera.

I'm also curious what you did because I know many who don't dwelve into the details of Opera think SeaMonkey is a good alternative to Opera but I found that often times, it's because they don't know or appreciate Opera's more hidden features and what they liked about SeaMonkey can also be pretty much found in IE shells like Maxthon pre-installed. (except of course they can feel comforted that SM has no association with that bile browser called Internet Exploder)

Sorry if I come off as an Opera elitist. Really I'm just a casual user who happens to find SeaMonkey too limiting when I tried it and who feels that Deer Park would have stolen the project's thunder if it were more stable and available today.
1518  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: REQUEST: Add input to a topic I made in Opera's forum on: January 17, 2009, 11:04:44 AM
fenixproductions, can you explain to me how that link is relevant to this thread?

As far as I know, it's an old thread who's update isn't so much relevant to what was previously written about it and who's issue was more about the way IE allows for MS to monopolize the OS rather than anything about Opera having a lite version.
1519  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Switching to Linux for a week on: January 17, 2009, 08:45:44 AM
I think it depends on usage. Ubuntu is sometimes not the best for trying out Linux because it hides stuff rather than introduce stuff to Linux.

PCLinuxOS possibly is more friendlier due to it's ability to look like Windows. (Although it's a crap shoot between it and Mandriva)

Mint is better in that it's an improved Ubuntu.

Sidux is much closer to Debian than Ubuntu is so it's probably more convenient for things like portability since it sticks much closer to the Linux model.

Puppy saves it's settings on a pupsave file so it's much easier to load off something removable as it was designed for that. Just put QEMUPuppy on a removable drive and you have your desktop environment.

There are probably other Linuxes that are much easier not in a pre-configured way but in a "if you follow these advises, you understand more of how Linux works so you can do unorthodox things with it" like Gentoo and LinuxfromScratch.
1520  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Complaints about Direct Access Text Expander Taking Ideas from Others - Split Topic on: January 17, 2009, 07:14:09 AM
app103, great post but if I may interject, (from my perspective) I think BartelsMedia is not so much objecting the decision for legality but for the ethics behind the decision.

He's not giving us reasons to not use the other products because he plans to sue them. He's opening awareness for a possibility that his product is specifically being targeted by another developer as their model without them working on anything new on their part.

With ReactOS, you know the developers are trying to reverse engineer Windows. Everyone who looks up ReactOS knows that. With his product, he may fear that it isn't popular enough that people won't be aware that another developer is seemingly copying his application feature per feature. Not just on similar shortcuts or interfaces. Basically when he releases a new feature, soon that feature goes into the other product without any new addition.

I think he just wants some clarification on this so users won't be wondering who made what feature first.
1521  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: REQUEST: Add input to a topic I made in Opera's forum on: January 17, 2009, 07:04:33 AM
zridling, yeah the summary is on the topic title. I tend to write things where I try to introduce the core idea and then move on from there. (Although as I said in a reply to this topic, I kinda just typed this one up and see what kind of idea went out)

This is the one paragraph summary:

At it's core, it's re-opening a discussion about Opera-lite. A former popular thread in the forums about creating a Lite version of Opera.

The rest below are just explanations for why the one paragraph summary is not possible and how the title already achieved that summary more than any one paragraph can.

I then explained why I was against the idea but why I'm starting to have second thoughts and maybe there's something to having it right now.

I pointed out two applications' current strategy that made me change my mind. Google Chrome and PrevX Edge.

The rest are just my reasons and explanations as to why I'm not necro-posting an old suggestion thread but rather trying to bring a different light after recent events with these two applications and many users' reaction to both applications' strategy in introducing their products. (from my perspective)

I don't really know how to shorten it anymore than that. As you can see, even this summarized version is longer than the topic title but still just explained the intent of the topic title. It's really the details and background that separates the thread from the old pro/con reasons for a lite version of Opera.

If you took those out, 99% of the discussion will just go back to how the old threads were where users say "Yeah, good idea!" and "No!!! Waste of resources. Bad idea!"

but this thread is not about that. It's about all the little things that happened that changed the course of both my opinion and the case for and against this old thread. It's about the way PrevX Edge is connecting to it's users from it's old model. It's about how Chrome connected to it's users regardless of many power users disagreeing with it's direction. Unfortunately, you still need to read the whole thread for that.
1522  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / REQUEST: Add input to a topic I made in Opera's forum on: January 17, 2009, 04:05:40 AM
I know some people here have some bad experiences with Opera's forum and it can feel like shouting at a wall but I was thinking if maybe you guys could add some outsider's input (both positive and negative) to this topic I made in Opera just to jump start it a bit.

Here's the link: http://my.opera.com/commu...ms/findpost.pl?id=2866781

Here's the copy and paste version of the contents in the link:

Re-visiting the concept of Opera-Lite (discussion topic, not a suggestion)

Quote
Hey everyone. It's been awhile.

I know it's an old issue and even though I haven't been on this forum in a while, I bet most Opera users feel this is set in stone. I'm not really here to force the issue but rather re-open interest in it and (hopefully) if there's still people interested in this, a much clearer wish-list can be made.

I don't know if anyone knew since I didn't participate in the threads of the past nor was I active in the forum but I wasn't for the concept of an Opera-lite and I did agree with many who sided against it stating that Opera's resources could be better focused elsewhere. I still have the same opinion so what changed?

PrevX Edge and Google Chrome.

One thing I can say about Google Chrome is that I was quite surprised by the reception it got even though I felt it did alot of things on the user interface and feature introduction side that I always wanted Opera to have and I think I suggested before. Not exactly the same because as I said, I wasn't for Opera lite but I did make a topic before (if I'm not mistaken) suggesting that Opera do the following:

1) Minimalistic interface by default and take advantage of Opera's ability to present itself differently with multiple toolbar/mouse settings by providing the classic interface, a FF interface and an IE7 interface. I didn't exactly have Chrome's interface in mind but I wanted a default interface that has another button that rather than hide all toolbars through fullscreen, hid everything but the menu bar and re-enabled it by default.

2) Better documentation that showed how Opera's MDI works (pre-Chrome, FF didn't really market this)

3) Highlight Opera's hidden features while keeping it un-obstructed from a user's PoV (better interface again)

Well hindsight is twenty-twenty and I'm sure most hardcore browser fans (whom probably are most of Opera users) would say that Chrome is overrated and the reason for it's marketing was because it's from Google, the media darling and the minimalistic interface was due to Chrome's lack of features.

I don't disagree with that but I'd just like to insert the possibility that maybe Chrome also got more marketshare because Chrome understood what it wanted people to have where as Opera's desktop focus had seemed to be to try and maintain it's existence on the desktop while creating a business from it's mobile market.

I didn't mean to make it sound negative and this isn't so much a criticism of Opera's general marketing as it is tied with Opera's way of marketing it's interface quirks. What I'm trying to say is that maybe Chrome also got a boost because when it showcased it's MDI, it emphasized that it was there. Not just because it was fast but that from both the marketing and interface perception, it was something that was convenient for casual users. (power users probably understand this and wasn't quite impressed)

To add to this, they used this to propel the feel that Chrome was "light" and they did this with a simple illusion that Chrome's way of inserting tabs to a window looked more like a light on resources box being moved to it's own frame or in front or behind another boxed thingy with a tabbed interface. In that sense if you were a person who didn't know of MDI before, Chrome made you feel that even if you didn't need it, you still had a light on resources browser. It connected the interface design with the marketing intent rather than separated it after the product/feature was released.

From a stability point of view, it was riskier. From a new product though, it made quite a statement because it allowed the hype for it's feature to brew while kept it ambiguous and un-important for power users that it took awhile before it sunk in for Firefox users to copy it and by that time, Chrome had generated enough interest that people not only knew but respected that Chrome influenced Firefox to change it's course or that Firefox was stealing Chrome's features and that Chrome was good enough.

Many will point out that Chrome's release wasn't picture perfect and rosy like I'm painting it and they would be right. Privacy issues, lack of extension support, buggy stuff. I'm not denying this but I'd like to suggest that the fact that Chrome is still generating interest today and have even retained marketshare without providing anything new is a testament to how well Chrome was introduced rather than the reverse idea that Chrome did so poorly at launch and it was only the Google name that got it here. To cite proofs, I'd like to point out how both Chromium and IRON don't have as much recognition as Chrome despite Chromium also being under the Google banner.

Anyways, this first part isn't so much to criticize everything Opera and say "they should have listened to me or other users" (Chrome certainly didn't seem like it did) or how great Google is at generating interest for products but just to point out that Chrome appeared to have approached things where both the marketer, the developer and the userbase interaction seemed to be in line to create a finished impression of the product.

1) The marketer seemed to have understood what was needed to create rising interest for Chrome because they both introduced features that didn't generate a want with most people interested in concept ideas but enough to create interest in following Chrome's development.

2) The developer side seemed to have understood what the userbase might want as a single purpose browser not only from a usability point of view but from a differentiating from others in the market point of view.

3) The userbase interaction seemed to be considered as Chrome's release features peaked enough curiosity in a single pack that even with all the power users crying "no extensions!" "FIrefox can do more!" "Opera can do more!", few really cared at that point. Chrome wasn't fabulous but it delivered and that was good enough

Even if you disagree with all this, can you deny the fact that if Chrome would get dropped by Google tomorrow that it generated more progressive interest in it's capabilities than any new Opera versions that got released? I'm not talking about launch interest, I'm talking about post-launch interest maintenance. Even right now, Chrome is pretty much dead as far as bringing in new features from it's launch yet it still baffles power users as to what Chrome users sees in it and the Chrome users who stuck with it, just use it.

Meanwhile even though Opera's default interface is now darker *cough* flashier and it did a good job of adding a + besides a tab (which seems most FF users wanted compared to the beta way, FF did it), it had to do so at the price of annoying it's current user base by switching better keyboard shortcuts in favor of something more similar to Firefox's default and how big of an increase did it get? Ehh...not much.

This doesn't mean Opera 10 can't steal the thunder yet. It does however hint that Opera still seems to be trying to play catch-up rather than forge ahead with attracting casual users.

Ok, so where does PrevX Edge come into play?

Well if you haven't been monitoring Wilders Forums, you might not know anything about it.

It is however stealthily gaining interest in the forum. This shouldn't surprise many people since Wilders is known for trying anything new security related. What is surprising is how PrevX is getting discussed in the forums. This isn't just some person saying the new PrevX Edge is great and works well. It actually has some members talking about what's good/bad/useless about it. In essence, it is creating interest for it's new product outside of it's main turf.

Now I'm not a marketing expert but I think the blame can be pointed out to one culprit: branding.

PrevX 2 according to some users was good but if you're a casual surfer like me, chances are you wouldn't have heard much about it compared to the main staples of AV products. PrevX Edge has seemingly gotten people interested about it even though people didn't pay much attention to PrevX 2 anymore.

That much isn't surprising. New products get talked about.

What's surprising is the direction and reasoning PrevX are saying which are getting them props from even the most scrutinous of users.

See, Edge didn't just change 1 or 2 things to PrevX 2. It actually took out some features from PrevX 2 that expert power users wanted while improved upon the simplicity of it's core interface and pressed a reset button that allowed them to re-invigorate interest in the application. In that sense, it didn't just feel like PrevX Edge was a new product that got updated, it felt that even PrevX developers attitude got updated to appeal and answer to not only it's old userbase but to new people that might fit under it's core userbase. Simply put, PrevX changed it's branding.

Now security apps and browsers are obviously different and many will say they are too different to be compared together and I'm not trying to do that. Instead, what I'm trying to say is that Opera's branding has gotten so poor that to non-Opera users, they're not interested in it.

Sure, they see new skins. Sure, they hear of new shortcuts and new features. Sure, they are excited by the changes and are already thinking of new ways to better market Opera BUT...

Opera still seems to be the same. It doesn't give you that new vibe. If anything, the changes seems to be alienating the old users who wanted an alternative browser to Gecko/Firefox browsers

Why is this? I can't answer that for you. Nor for me.

I don't want Opera to always stay the same because it got where it is because it introduced new features that were never seen before.

Yet, I don't want Opera to be so different that it's default feel is like using Firefox with no extensions but with slightly better speed. (That casuals won't notice since they don't open lots of tabs)

Instead, I want an Opera that didn't drop it's ad AFTER Firefox already made a foot hold in the marketplace.

I don't want an Opera that got sync capabilities AFTER Foxmarks is well known.

I don't want an Opera with Widgets AFTER Firefox had established a large collection of extensions already.

It's not just what I want, I'm just trying to point out some of the things I see that are still reminding people that they are using "Opera" the brand that cries "complicated" in the browser marketshare. (and not all of them are bad)

1) Panels - I like panels. I like having one place to see Notes. I like having one place to see Transfers. I like how easy it is to move tabs with the Window panel. I'm not saying Opera should remove panels. I just think that maybe Opera should release a panel-less version that actually tries to improve on it's notetaking capabilities and it's torrent capabilities (if they want) and their tab moving MDI ease capabilities.

Yes, I'm saying Opera shouldn't go backwards and settle for less features that Opera fanboys would point out to as being easily hidden if you don't want it to. I'm saying Opera should forge ahead but maybe it's time it re-branded a Lite version that actually can be a breeding ground for them to test and introduce new features casual user might appreciate without the pressure of it having to flow with the suite. Yes, that's what alphas and betas are for but this isn't just a case of a new feature. It's also about branding and marketing at this point.

If you have a Lite version that introduce and removes features, people tend to appreciate both the new features and demand the old features that were in the full "Opera"-branded version of the browser. This creates appreciation in the new userbase for start bars, bookmark stars and a whole other lists while they're there rather than when it's gone and it's too late to get them back and people are rationalizing how great the new features are compared to the old and thus killing demand

2) More custom search/toolbars/mouse settings/skins/greasemonkey pre-inserted and less default user interface - Yes, asking in the forum works but do they help you sell and make your first impression customer appreciate the way Opera handles this? No, it doesn't. This could also usher in an appreciation for Firefox's way of displaying add-ons. Yes, they aren't add-ons but it still doesn't mean it doesn't become easier to discover what special features a browser have pre-installed. Not only will it help in reviews but it will also generate interest in existing Opera features and help motivate people to contribute to Opera. (for the chance to get into the default choice of features) It's basically a feature cheatsheet for the casual users.

3) No to flashy stuff - Yes, power users may love them but it just confuses casual users and distracts them from more important Opera features. No Widgets (or if you do, add the good ones by default and leave it at that), No cascading, tiling, dancing tabs that highlight what MDI is capable of (if casual users are to be expected to see Opera as a "focused on browsing" browser, then they shouldn't be risked seeing eye candy when they try to explore instead of actual browser functionality), No more unnecessary style sheets (Yes, contrasts are great but outside of these, what do most casuals see except a browser that changed their "magic window to the internetz")

Again, to clarify, these aren't so much suggestions as much as me trying to give the impression that there are ways Opera can be made to feel different without changing it's looks or moving things around. If anything the Ribbon has taught us (as much as I hate it), it's that hiding and showing things can go a long way more than just packaging and giving users a choice to configure a software to their preference.

That's also why I'm saying Opera-lite. I don't want these features removed. I'm just trying to create an extreme contrast so that I can provide a less mainstream but might possibly be more valid rationale for why Opera is not breaking ground as much as Firefox and Chrome. This doesn't mean I'm right...or that I'm wrong. Just that maybe as a community, it's time to consider this and that life isn't just always "Opera fails at marketing" or "If websites fixed themselves for Opera, people will appreciate it" or "If Opera hid some features, that alone would not scare users away and they would come flocking by"
1523  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Switching to Linux for a week on: January 16, 2009, 03:00:28 AM
Oh sorry. From my lack of technical know how point of view, there's very little difference between BSD and Linux.  tongue
1524  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Switching to Linux for a week on: January 15, 2009, 10:55:37 AM
Hey, don't look at me. I'm not a Mac fan either.  tongue
1525  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: What may you be missing? on: January 15, 2009, 10:52:47 AM
Curt, the wrong passion. Guys like the example above couldn't get where they are if they didn't have passion but passion manifested the wrong way is like a poor man in his attempt to both cut down practice time as well as get listener feedback played heavy metal on an urban environment at the crack of midnight where everyone just wanted to get some rest.

With the right amount of luck, he would still get enough listener feedback or even get a party started which would motivate him further to practice and hone his skills.

But,

the most likely thing is that he'll get neighbors shouting at him to go to sleep.
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