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1501  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: wanted: a fix for ubuntu problem/new linux distro on: January 25, 2009, 02:34:10 PM
Right! What 40hz said. MD5 not MBR.  Grin

Edit: Btw 40hz, how would you rate Gentoo's documentation to SUSE and Fedora? Superior or inferior. I generally hear that Gentoo has more and easier to find free documentations.
1502  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: wanted: a fix for ubuntu problem/new linux distro on: January 25, 2009, 03:03:36 AM
I agree with what DeoZaan said mostly. I'm also a Linux noob but also a casual Windows user so I apologize if these stuff are common knowledge to you.

One cheat way to test your Linux installation without only finding the errors only after you've burned it is to use an MBR checker:

Another cheat but user friendly way to have both wubi and an Ubuntu LiveCd is to try out the latest Mint version:

Mint4Win is basically just wubi but packaged in such a way that you also have the LiveCD.

There's also QEMUPuppy where you used the Puppy distro from usb within Windows:

Note that you can also use the Puppy LiveCD in a different way than most Linux distros in the sense that you save your settings on HD rather than install the Puppy LiveCD on the HD itself.

Finally here's some of the common noob-friendly distroes:

Sabayon Gentoo Linux: Gentoo is complicated but has one of the best documentations for a Linux distro making it the most newb friendly. Sabayon is a Gentoo that has been set up to handle the most cutting edge capabilities of any Linux distro. For this reason it is a bad stable desktop distro for newbs but an awesome stepping ground for newbs.

PCLinuxOS: Built around a KDE environment which I'm not a fan of. This Mandriva spin-off has been said by many Windows switchers as THE Linux distro that feels and looks the same as Windows. We all know better though and understand that it's just Mandriva under the banner of a much user friendlier small community and is just the KDE equivalent of Linux Mint.

Sidux: Fork'd from Debian rather than Ubuntu, this allows this OS to be much more stable and have a more updated software repository than Ubuntu. Note that this only comes to play when Ubuntu's 101 hidden bugs that causes your PC to suddenly fail to boot one day hits you at your worst time. This is now somewhat alleviated by Ubuntu having a separate user folder by default but it's an interesting alternative if you want a Linux jumping pad from Ubuntu.

PC/OS - This distro got some flak for being a remastered Xubuntu that advertised itself as a BeOS clone. As someone once wrote about it, it doesn't come close and is just Xubuntu with some changes. Those changes though are on the level of Mint and PCLinuxOS when they were first starting out. Another good distro to try if you're not into Xubuntu but I much prefer Puppy for uber-lightweight feeling.

Edit: Note that if you're into newb hardcore distroes (Yes there is such a thing just as there are people who are into slurping Hot Sauce!) then here are the ones I heard of from the past: Vector Linux, Zenwalk, Arch Linux, Wolvix, DamnSmall Linux and LinuxfromScratch.
1503  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: How would you market Windows 7? on: January 24, 2009, 10:16:56 PM
Text: It took us 7 tries but gee whiz I think we finally got it!

song plays, cue to people dancing and then the screen pans to a monitor with Songsmith

Text: What? You didn't think we needed to improve on anything else did you?

multiple error boxes open, some guy tries to move the cursor but the pc was hanging, windows was showing the "it doesn't have enough memory" balloon messages and then some guy in the background shouts:

"Damn it! I knew installing Songsmith on XP wasn't enough!"

cue to Windows 7 screen

Windows 7
It's coming folks

then a smaller text fades in with:
(Windows XP no longer available: /insert any date prior to the date shown in the PC XP)
1504  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Anyone have any tips for optimizing freemium services? on: January 24, 2009, 07:12:50 PM
This is generally for online backups but I was wondering if anyone have any specific lists of moving their files to and from so that they could add an extra gb if they're dirt cheap.

Obviously services like Google Docs and Zoho Docs could be online repositories for documents but I'm thinking something more along the lines of:

1) Save money for usb.

2) Create a .txt note in usb listing where all the files are online.

3) Use Google Docs for documents

4) Use Evernote 3.0 for web clippings.

5) Use DropBox for actual usb contents.

6) Use Dropboks for individual not so important usb contents.

7) Use another service's freemium options for even more not so important usb contents

8) Use Delicious for not so important bookmarks.

9) Use Diigo for backing up not so important bookmarks and add important bookmarks.

10) Use FoxMarks/Opera to sync very important bookmarks.

11) Use Newsgator to sync rss feeds and Feed Demon as main feeds. Use Google Reader for backing up Newsgator

12) Use usb as temporary place holder for contents to back up.

13) Use an online password manager like LastPass to chain all these applications together.

14) Backup LastPass and use a TrueCrypt'd Keepass file or an exported Clipperz page.

Sorry if these sounds very elementary but I'm far from a network admin who knows how to use stuff like FTP and then minimalize cost. I'm also factoring casual usage here. I just think it would be great to have a set up that allows poor people to get as close to an equal opportunity to richer people without wasting time looking for shortcuts. I know of course that this is suicide especially if lots of services shut down but I bet free space is more important than stability if you're poor. (Most barely have the luxury of keeping their computers forever!)
1505  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / What to look for in an Image Backup Data Software (ex. Acronis True Image) on: January 24, 2009, 05:30:03 PM
This has always confused me so I thought you guys might like to read this old forum post from Wilders:

Note that the recommended softwares in here are not the preferred software of most of the posters in this topic:

It's fairly important to determine your exact needs before selecting a backup solution. Home users who don't care about disaster recovery have many free backup options. Technical home users can cobble together enough free stuff to make a passable backup/disaster-recovery solution. Enterprises, generally, need to be far more cautious about the software they place on their servers, and should carefully evaluate the software for stability (does it deadlock your system? do its services hang or crash? do its device drivers cause blue screens or do they have any interop issues with other drivers?), data integrity (are the back up image files good even after thousands of incrementals and splits? does it corrupt original data?) performance (does it use a lot of memory, leak memory, hog CPU or interrupt any applications?), security (does it protect your data? How are its APIs guarded?), and maintenance (is it automated, scriptable, can it be controlled remotely, can one console GUI control an entire enterprise, etc). If you are an enterprise customer, or a very discriminating customer, it would be advisable to ask the backup solution vendor these pointed questions and do your own due diligence as well.

A side note: If you are evaluating criteria like the above, in relation to memory leaking you will find that the Microsoft Volume Shadow Copy Service (VSS) on Windows XP has some bugs that will cause VSS requestor processes (VSS-aware backup applications) to leak memory on each snap/unsnap cycle. Also, on XP, on each snap/unsnap cycle the vssvc.exe service as well as a dllhost.exe process will leak a little memory. This is usually only an issue if you use a VSS-compliant backup application to automatically backup your data on regular intervals over a long period of time. These same leaks used to also occur on Windows Server 2003 however they have been fixed in a recent private (you must request it, KB923628, directly from MS support) hotfix for Windows Server 2003 only.

If you are an enterprise or extremely-discriminating user, the following may prove useful.

First let me warn you that I'm a bit biased on this topic (I'm an engineer who has worked on core components for a couple of the mainstream backup/disaster-recovery products out there, from competing companies). Also, my experience on this topic is limited to the Windows platforms.

I would recommend that you consider backup solutions that enable you to quickly recovery individual files, as well as to quickly recover from a full system meltdown (ie. a hard disk crash). In my mind there are currently only three products which can do this with any degree of reliability. They are (in no particular order):

1) Symantec's Ghost (for Desktops) and LiveState Recovery (for Servers)
2) StorageCraft's ShadowProtect
3) Acronis' True Image

These three products share several similar traits. They all create backup images files which represent the entire state of a logical volume's data, rather than backing up individual files themselves. This enables you to perform full volume restoration should a disaster occur, such as a hard drive failure. They also enable you to easily restore individual files by allowing you to mount/browse into the contents of a backup image file. They allow you to backup your volumes in a hot/in-use state, so you do not need to stop any of your work or close any of your applications when the backup is performed. They allow you to set up a backup schedule so that the backups are automated and no user intervention is required to ensure that backups are occurring. They allow you to perform "incremental backups" which means that when a backup occurs, it will only backup the changes which occurred since the previous backup. They all provide a bootable "recovery environment" CD which contains a bootable OS as well as tools that can be used to restore/recovery files and/or full volumes in the event that you are restoring to a machine which doesn't contain an OS, or if you are restoring an image file over your existing OS. They are all "enterprise ready" as they allow you to remotely manage large networks from one GUI console, contain scripting support, and are integrated with platform technologies (such as Microsoft's Volume Shadow Copy Service - more detail below).

I'll discuss how these products differ in their offerings of these features.

Hot Backups: This is probably the most important aspect of these products because this feature allows you to backup your machine with zero down time. You don't (at least you shouldn't - keep on reading) need to stop any of your applications in order to capture a good clean backup. This feature is made possible by a sophisticated "snapshot" device driver which can instantly capture the state of a logical volume at a specified time and expose this captured state to the backup software. Although Windows XP and 2003 ship with a built-in snapshot device driver (volsnap.sys), it is somewhat lacking in features (especially on XP) and alltogether absent on Windows 2000. Therefore all of these products give preference to a proprietary snapshot device driver. The snapshot device driver used in Symantec's products is licensed to Symantec from StorageCraft (see the copyright file properties of pqv2i.sys or symsnap.sys). StorageCraft of course uses its own snapshot device driver (albeit a newer and better version) in ShadowProtect. Acronis also has its own snapshot device driver. There is a significant difference between the StorageCraft snapshot device driver and the Acronis device driver which results in a substantial difference in performance when incremental backups are created. StorageCraft's snapshot device driver is far more efficient and fast. This can be easily reproduce by creating a backup job and performing changes to many files after the first full backup and before an incremental backup. In this sense, Acronis is more of a desktop product as it simply consumes too much CPU and I/O bandwidth when taking incrementals which is less desireable on servers.

Scheduled Backups: The schedulers for these three products are very similar. One of the main differences is how frequently they allow you to backup your drives. Symantec's products allow you to backup a volume once every hour. StorageCraft's produt allows you to schedule a backup to occur once every 15 minutes, however the schedule can be modified so that the backup will occur once every minute (which is possible because of StorageCraft's highly-optimized incremental imaging technology). Acronis' products allow you to schedule backups to occur on a volume once per day. Symantec and Acronis allow you to backup to CD or DVD. StorageCraft's solution does not currently support backup directly to optical media. Acronis users report many issues when they backup to optical media if the backup requires more than one disk (so called "spanned images"). Symantec's backup to optical media appears to be solid.

Platform Integration (VSS): Microsoft provides a framework called the "Volume Shadow Copy Service" (VSS) to assist in the creation of clean backups. This service can be used by backup products (called "VSS Requestors"), as well as by applications (called "VSS writers), which create data (such as Exchange, SQL Server, etc). When a backup product requests a backup, it can tell VSS to "quiesce" these VSS-aware applications. This will cause these applications to perform a quick flush of their critical data, without interrupting anything, so that the snapshot device driver will capture their data in its optimal state. Interacting properly with VSS is critical to performing a good quality backup and if you are an enterprise customer you really need to give this particular issue some weight. Symantec's online knowledge base indicates that you must take down your Exchange server in order to successfully backup its data. StorageCraft and Acronis allow you to backup your Exchange server without taking it down. VSS-aware snapshot device drivers which provide snapshots of volumes to backup software are called "VSS Software Providers" and of the three products only StorageCraft's snapshot device driver is a true VSS Software Provider. Neither Symantec's nor Acronis' device driver is a VSS software provider. You can verify this by installing these three products and then typing the command: C:\> vssadmin list providers You will see Microsoft's system provider "volsnap" as well as StorageCraft's VSS software provider.

File Recovery (Mounting/Browsing Image File Contents): When a backup is taken, an "image file" is created, which contains the data necessary to represent the contents of a volume at a given time. An incremental image file is dependent upon the data in the previous incremental image file, and this dependency chain run all the way back to the first full/base image file created for a particular volume. This first (full/base) image file usually contains all in-use sectors so it is generally very large. All of these products allow you to compress and/or encrypt these image files. In order to allow users to restore individual files from a backup image, all of these products allow you to "mount" your backup images as virtual drives. Symantec's products also ship with a secondary "image file browser" application which allows for browsing without mounting. There are subtle differences in the mounters. All of these mounters allow you to make changes to the mounted image, but only the StorageCraft and Acronis mounters allow you to save your changes. StorageCraft's mounter allows you to mount to both drive letters and to specified directories (called "mount points") so you are not limited to 26 concurrent mounts. Symantec's mounter, like its image browser, is rather resource-hungry (uses a lot of memory) and is simply incapable of mounting multiple terabyte-sized volumes concurrently. I don't have benchmarks on terabyte-image mounting for Acronis  StorageCraft's mounter allows you to mount *hundreds* of terabyte-sized volumes concurrently. This can be easily done by creating a full image, and then many incremental images with modified data, of a particular terabyte-sized volume, then mounting the full and all of the incremental images concurrently. Each mount should present a full terrabyte-sized volume. Large volume support is critical to the enterprise, and is becoming more common on desktops as well.

Disaster Recovery: To recover from a disaster, where no OS exists on your machine, or to restore an image over your existing OS, or to restore an existing image to a bare machine (one whose hard drive is blank - this is called "Bare Metal Recovery/Restore"), you must be able to boot some OS under which the recovery software can run and have access to the backup image file(s) and to the hard disk controller and hard drive to which you wish to restore the image. Acronis uses a bootable recovery CD based on Linux. StorageCraft and Symantec both use a bootable recovery CD based on Windows. In my opinion, the Windows-based recovery environments are superior for Windows imaging products because they contain a larger set of device drivers on the CD for greater device coverage. This means that you are more likely to be able to access your backup images from your network, media, or USB device, and to be able to see and access the drive to which you wish to restore the image, using a Windows-based recovery environment than you are with a Linux-based recovery environment. It's very important that you test the recovery environment BEFORE a disaster occurs to ensure that it can see your drives and the location on which you're saving your backups. The StorageCraft and Symantec Recovery environments are very similar. StorageCraft provides some useful options which are not available from Symantec. For instance, StorageCraft's recovery environment, at the start of its boot, allows you to choose if you wish to boot with the minimum or maximum driver configuration. If you don't need to access exotic drive or network devices, the minimum configuration is usually sufficient and boots much faster (usually around 2-3 minutes faster). For the enterprise-conscious user, both StorageCraft and Symantec ship their recovery environment with a tool that allows a remote administrator to manage the recovery environment, however this tool is free of cost from StorageCraft yet quite expensive from Symantec. Acronis and Symantec advertise that they allow you to restore an image to a different machine (aka "Universal Restore"), however in my experience I have been disappointed by this feature in both of these products as I have *never once* succeeded in restoring to a different machine (in many test cases) using LiveState or True Image. Acronis and Symantec will allow you to restore an image to a volume which is smaller than the volume that was used to create the image. A typical user will create one big primary partition that consumes their entire disk. For these typical users, if they plan to restore to a hard drive that is smaller than their original drive, then this feature is an important point to consider.

Deployment: The installation experience for these products is very different from one to the next. For the enterprise user, Acronis' enterprise product actually consists of several separate (and unintegrated) product installations. This is an akward and time consuming affair. Acronis's install is not dependent on the .NET framework. StorageCraft's install is a single installation file which contain all features, fully integrated (the total installer size is 9MB). StorageCraft's install is not dependent on the .NET Framework. Symantec's installer is a single install as well, however it does depends on the .NET framework, and therefore can be quite lengthy and consume a good deal of disk space.

None of these products are perfect, and like I said, I'm biased, so play it safe and evaluate them all.

1506  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Awesome article re: organization and notetaking on: January 24, 2009, 04:41:46 PM
tomos, from what I interpreted, it is exactly how InfoQube works.

Difference between it and tagging is minimal from the concept level. Where it differs is the user interface.

Faceted classifications would probably be more closer to spreadsheet and filtering but as the author said, if you don't know how to swim in the ocean of data, it is akin to searching for that one piece of tasty itsy bitsy bit of pork in a murky soup.

Hierarchies on the other hand can't swim in a big area. They are like people swimming in a straight line in the ocean where the person behind cannot cut in line unless he opts to switch to the next swimming lane. In that sense, it is much closer to a highway and under utilizes the potential freedom of the ocean. (Not to mention the rest of aquatic nature doesn't care for these lanes so under this system, some poor guys are going to be breakfast, lunch and dinner for sharks, tsunamis and the Bermuda Triangle)

In that sense, tags are supposed to be superior in that you can all go crazy on tagging and you can still amount to a hierarchy because of it's interface changes from how faceted classifications are presented. Of course any casual user who's tried any system that has tagging knows that it is overrated and it doesn't address the issue of turning your collection into a black hole where the more data there is, the more and more you are inclined not to touch it.

There's also the problem that many datas cannot be presented in one way especially for casual users. With faceted classifications you can at least get a more orderly overview of little datas because of all of the filtering potential it has. InfoQube being almost the most casual and efficient representative of this.

InfoQube's bastard child "spreadsheet/hierarchy" allows you to have many little items you would normally put in a spreadsheet and have it presented in a hierarchy or vice versa. The price is that you have to cut your brain in half and you have to expect people to know how spreadsheet programs work and how advanced tree-outlines work.

This means it's much complicated to pander this to a newbie PC user who doesn't know the advanced stuff of either spreadsheet programs or tree-based outliners. It however does prove the article wrong that tags are inherently superior and is the true successor to the hierarchy-faceted classification bastard child.

With that said, the article does have a kernel of truth in that tags addressed this somewhat. If I have any qualms with this analysis is that the author doesn't really give you any idea of how "tags" alone is such a catch-all phrase for lots of minor user interface tweaks that involves typing texts that are treated as links.

By not stating this, the author avoids such issues as wikis alone being more disorderly than both hierarchy and faceted classifications precisely because it's using a tag interface. (Although it can of course be salvaged by including images of faceted classified data or having some sections of a wiki organized in a hierarchy)

1507  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: PlayOnLinux might be what the Linux world needs to succeed on: January 23, 2009, 03:25:17 PM
I still disagree but woah...this is going on longer than I thought so I concede the discussion before we both get kicked off for off-topicness.  tongue
1508  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: PlayOnLinux might be what the Linux world needs to succeed on: January 23, 2009, 12:24:06 PM
It's very hard to let your children go off on their own. And I think that's true no matter how personally "enlightened" or dedicated to the principles of FOSS you are.

Nobody in FOSS appreciates a lack of gratitude; or duplication and fragmentation of effort. But spinoffs can, and even more importantly, will occur. And that's because the FOSS approach was specifically designed to allow it to happen, even if it doesn't exactly encourage it.

Forking is the least desirable method for resolving disputes in the open source community. Many forks occur for no other reason than somebody taking a snit - and as such, they should be discouraged.

But it's also important to note that forking has produced such beautiful offspring as Mint, Joomla, and a number of other worthwhile efforts.

I guess that's the whole problem with freedom. It just makes you Grin

Yeah, I agree with that. That's why I said earlier too much freedom is no freedom at all.

It's just sad that few FOSS advocates are as adamant at attacking these pseudo-FOSS people for restricting one's freedom.

FOSS at it's core is not just a software decision, it's a philosophy but often times FOSS people themselves aren't so adamant in upholding this philosophy as they are at using it to restrict another person's freedom through the age old adage of insulting anything that might offend their misguided fanaticism.

In the end, the core flaw of FOSS is that it gives people more freedom to be the enemies of freedom than it allows people who are truly for freedom to grow into people who spread the philosophy of freedom.

Of course to a certain extent I attribute this to the GPL too. They're the thing that got free software popular but now I think they've become the symbol of a false sense of freedom kind of like the United Nations.
1509  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / List of Software that are now abandoned (Add yours!) on: January 23, 2009, 11:20:14 AM
Hey, I thought I'd made a thread about this since there a lot of software out there that seems like they are functioning well but are officially abandoned and I thought users might like to know that they are without having to go through 101 places to finally confirm this.


I think the lack of replies to your question sadly speaks for itself. The author has been seen here a few days ago, but hasn't written anything since Sep 12. We still believe he's alive and rescue dogs have been sent out.

Google Notebook: http://googlenotebookblog...t-on-google-notebook.html

Starting next week, we plan to stop active development on Google Notebook. This means we'll no longer be adding features or offer Notebook for new users. But don't fret, we'll continue to maintain service for those of you who've already signed up. As part of this plan, however, we will no longer support the Notebook Extension, but as always users who have already signed up will continue to have access to their data via the web interface at

1510  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Obama staffers find no Mac love among White House computers on: January 23, 2009, 09:56:27 AM
Yeah but that's the price we have to pay when most of us are into pop culture nowadays and let the media have it's ways. They're not going to make unsensational important news become big until they become so big, every core issue is some equally hyped up popular minor issue that got caught in the carpet of ignoring small things until they become flaws.
1511  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Obama staffers find no Mac love among White House computers on: January 23, 2009, 03:54:44 AM
The article is just fluff trying to invent another way in which the previous government was somehow incompetent - it backfires to anyone who does IT in the real world because there is nothing wrong with 6+ year old technology - almost everything we use nowadays - even all the trendiest things like subnotebooks, virtualisation, clouds etc. is more than 6 years old. Exceptions might be some graphics cards and the ipod's touch screen and a few other things.

And frankly nowadays if you can't move from mac to PC to linux and do the basics of your job, you're not as good as you think

But let's see:
- web books 1999 (a guess, i got my fujitsu p1310 in 2001 but it was not new technology)
- tablets 2000/2001 for windows (earlier for specific technology)
- macOS X 2001 (for the desktop, the server is even older)
- virtualisation - not sure how long but server virtualisation, platform virtualisation and storage virtualisation have existed for a long time. Vmware was in the 90s
- solid state disk - we built some linux gateway boxes in 2001 and you could buy motherboards which used flash cards back then quite easily, this has been an industrial solution for a long time

I agree but it does have a kernel of truth that IT isn't as optimized as they should. Alot of stuff requires you adjusting to their needs rather than actual value and in a company as powerful as the government, that can have other negative effects.
1512  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Obama staffers find no Mac love among White House computers on: January 23, 2009, 02:53:00 AM
Ehtyar, that's the thing. This isn't a security problem. It's either a bureacratic problem or a "stick to tradition" problem.

None of these are logic-based or security-based at the base level. (though it works because at the deeper level in some subsection, there are actually people and experts working on the security)
1513  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Awesome article re: organization and notetaking on: January 23, 2009, 01:36:02 AM
Thanks for the clarification PPLandry. Sorry if I had to make you repeat those words. I've read you describe IQ that way before and it just didn't sink in.

You might want to bandwagon on the usage of tags. I went to your site just to verify if IQ has tags as a feature and I didn't see it so it might help boost your program a bit if there was a link explaining IQ's tag-like feature.

I really don't have a specific definition of flat view. For me, flat view is just when you can see all your data without "activating" anything.

To use Compendium as an example:

1) This is normally what you see when you have Compendium's Tag View open. Why is this not a flat view to me? Because I have to "think" to "activate" the tag view. I need to have a mindset of opening something rather than just snap my mind into it.

I need to click on something.

Use a hotkey on something (although hotkeys help in transforming anything into a flat view)

I can't just screenshot the screen in front of me to get an overview or even better, the core of what I want.


Now this is the screen you would get if you hide the tag view. Normally this is what I think people might consider as a flat view. Something that's in front. Something default. I guess if this were the criteria than IQ's Welcome Screen would be it's flat view.

I apologize for not thinking this through when I asked you a question about flat views. I tend to ask questions through my perspective and often forget what others normally consider something as.


Now why is this both enough and not enough? It is not enough because this screen doesn't always have what I want. Sometimes this screen hosts a folder and I need to click it. Sometimes this screen is not where I want to be or how I want it to look so I need to go elsewhere.

At the same time, why can this screen be a flat view? Because when I want to see something, it's in front of me.

Where as in a tree-list you have to click on an area of the tree to see the content and the tree is the overview/flat view or you have to click on the manage bookmark screen so that the bookmark screen becomes the flat view, this screen allows me to preview both the contents of the items in this screen and the items themselves without leaving or thinking of activating anything as seen on this screenshot where all I needed to do was hover the mouse on the asterisk to see the contents inside.


In that sense, a flat view to me can be something more akin to a desktop when opening Windows or a dashboard or a floor with all the pages of a book in front of me rather than staring at the table of contents page to get hints as to where I should go to see my notes.

Another way of looking at it is the Compendium text entry box.


Why is this a flat view? Because after I've clicked on it, I no longer have to activate anything to see what I want to see or do.

It's like when I want to edit something and I'm staring at the MS Word screen, I don't have to convince my mind that this thing staring at me is where I need to edit stuff.

Of course the illusion breaks when I need to click on the GUI or add some complex stuff but if I don't, my mind goes..."Flat view".

I guess technically all programs have a flat view inherent in them and what I was actually asking is whether IQ has a "Overview" or Dashboard Flat View. I mean I know you can limit and add to any stuff you want to see in front of you but is there a place you can go to where you can just go "Ok, I don't need to think go anywhere once I'm here."

I guess I also forgot that IQ is a multi-purpose software and not just a notetaker because when I was thinking of this, I forgot that if you only factored in numbers, records, database content and hierarchies then IQ already has a flat view. It's only when you write something paragraph long that you need to click on something just to get a clear overview of which text is which but I'm only basing this on superboyac's screenshot of how IQ can also be a notetaker: (Note that Compendium also cuts the text off when it's too long so it's not really because Compendium does this well but rather because I don't use Compendium to write long texts that I can consider the screens above as flat views)


Another good example of a flat view is when staring at a monthly view of a calendar app rather than how it's shown in IQ. Chart images can also be a criteria for a flat view. It's basically an overview that doesn't need extra filtering options but could have one.
1514  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: PlayOnLinux might be what the Linux world needs to succeed on: January 22, 2009, 09:29:11 PM
That's true too. That's why it's just sad to see people in the FOSS world hate on a product because it's a fork or looks like a copy.

I'm all for criticizing on a bad fork but stuff like reading how many complained that Mint was just a poor man's copy of Ubuntu even when they were just beginning is just sad and an insult to budding developers.

I also have a hate-on for those Firefox FOSS fanboys who say "don't use IE because it's not open source" and then they pass their open source argument to Opera too yet look how much they have supported Flock, Galeon and K-meleon?
1515  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: The Worst Downloads of 2008 (CNET) on: January 22, 2009, 08:36:30 PM
Grorgy, nice find. I didn't quite spot it.

CNET doesn't exclude buggy software though and from what I understood about the applications, it was more like silliest downloads or worst interfaces rather than a list of bad downloads.
1516  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Tagging Files (Tag Everything) on: January 22, 2009, 08:33:11 PM
kartal, that's true.

I don't know, I haven't experienced any problems with any of my files yet so I thought it must be doing something right. I'm not a programmer though so I don't know what kind of metadata changes it does to the files.

I do have a specific folder set up at the center of my desktop specifically for files I put in Compendium though.
1517  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Obama staffers find no Mac love among White House computers on: January 22, 2009, 06:41:01 PM
Not to sound like I'm steering the topic off-course but am I the only one disgusted that people are justifying these newer technologies purely to prevent leaks and not to make a government more transparent?

This isn't just some company. This is still a government that has enough weapons of mass destruction to wipe anyone off the planet if anyone tries to take advantage of anything they might have leaked out.

Yes, I understand people have some worries post-9/11 but any decent analysis of that event shows that it was less a major technological or human security breach but a problem inherent in any large buearacracy. (this word is still the hardest commonly used word I've ever used)
1518  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Tagging Files (Tag Everything) on: January 22, 2009, 06:33:16 PM
kartal, I've mentioned Compendium so many times in the other threads here that it sounds like I'm shilling but you might want to consider that.

It's a java app so it's slow and the interface might not appeal to you but it's much more stable.

I know PersonalBrain also does that though it's not free and very expensive.

I'd also like to point out that Evernote 3.0 Premium has a way of uploading documents now and Incollector is a tag based notetaker that allows you to tag urls and text links. You guys probably know of how Google Docs has labels so you could possibly use Incollector in conjunction with it.

Tobu is another alternative that someone from another thread recommended to me.

Compendium (Download Alpha, it's a much more updated stable version)


1519  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Awesome article re: organization and notetaking on: January 22, 2009, 06:21:12 PM
Yeah, I agree PPLandry.

Out of curiosity, could you explain if IQ does that?

I know that the spreadsheet style combination allows you to control what data comes out but I think for most of us, we're used to the idea of multiple hierarchies as being filtered by tags. Could help us further expand our perceptions of organization. (though it might sound like shilling your product, that's why I'm deliberately requesting for your answer so it doesn't come off that way)

Also, I don't think IQ has a real flat view in the sense of a real dashboard view and not just a tree-list screen with a tree-list hidden. Could you also expand your thoughts on that?
1520  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: The Worst Downloads of 2008 (CNET) on: January 22, 2009, 05:37:32 PM
Wouldn't the worst downloads automatically be anything that came with viruses or other malware, or that file you torrented which ended up with an unknown password on it or was a completely different thing than the download description said?

Shush! It's CNET.  mad (sarcasm)
1521  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: PlayOnLinux might be what the Linux world needs to succeed on: January 22, 2009, 05:34:05 PM
40hz, that's the thing though. Isn't the BSD license also protecting people from these restrictions?

I think the problem with GPL is that the bigger the project goes, the more you don't know who's really contributing to who and the more no one knows who cooked the best recipe because everybody has their little take on the recipe by then.

It's not that they want to steal the recipe but that they are now unable to optimize the recipe because if they change something, someone will accuse them of trying to paint a fork in a new shell but if they stay with the recipe, lots of people will be there to change the recipe haphazardly and you still get a mob where only a select view designs get into the final product and you still have restrictions and you still have problems with making the product better and then you're back to your original free desert where people aren't as motivated to use their freedom to help the project because they get into stupid arguments that are as restricting as more restrictive licenses.

With that said, I'm not really sure what I am saying either. I haven't really bother looking indepth to the GPL and there's now LGPLs and other stuff that further confuse me.
1522  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Awesome article re: organization and notetaking on: January 22, 2009, 05:22:38 PM
Haha. Good one!  Grin

I don't think hierarchies are that bad but often people use their hierarchial to do list as their tasks brain dump list too.

Maybe that's the problem tomos?

By brain dump I mean something like putting the todolist that came into your head and writing it down on the software you're using.

That's why applications like ThinkingRock has a collect section:

First important thing is to put all the todo lists in one place.

Process it (edit it, make the steps smaller, put it in the right section)

and then put it in a hierarchy.

1523  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Awesome article re: organization and notetaking on: January 22, 2009, 04:01:39 AM
tomos, no offense but when I skimmed the article, everything about anything had a negative in that site.
1524  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Awesome article re: organization and notetaking on: January 22, 2009, 02:19:42 AM
Well that's the thing. If you add too many keywords, you're never sure whether you added something to "to_listen" or to "music"

If you added both then you have to always add both for consistency.

It also depends on the interface. I haven't tried this app but for programs like Compendium, you don't really have an intuitive tag view that allows you to become extremely confident in replacing it as your file explorer. If a tagging system's not able to replace your file explorer though, you get to a point where you're more benefitted by the file explorer being in one place than segmenting your focus into two areas.

Yes, you're potentially making things more organized but the sacrifice of losing snappiness is often a much worse pay-off.

1525  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Awesome article re: organization and notetaking on: January 21, 2009, 10:54:53 PM
J-Mac, agreed. Although I believe one day people would be arguing more about how all notetaking apps can't do one thing good but does all things well.

One software also has a problem with needing to keep that software protected. Just one mistake be it messing the entire thing up or finding a more suitable external app for managing your things could set you back ages.


Target, nice find! Unfortunately the program appears to be an indexer no more different than drag and dropping a file in Compendium and tagging it.

The problem with these kinds of programs is that you are almost afraid to be reliant on them for fear of messing up your cloud and then you're screwed. (especially since these will just say file missing if you move the files)
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