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176  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: For better security, maybe it's time to abandon e-mail? on: December 24, 2014, 12:45:46 PM
Unfortunately, people have evolved to the point where they are much akin to electricity in that they will always take the path of least resistance.

This IMO is indeed the crux of the problem.

Until the 'responsible professionals in our field' can come up with something new while at the same time come up with something that makes every insecure method more inconvenient for the end users that will cause them to jump ship to the new method, nothing will change.

Okay, this part made me giggle. Not because it's wrong...because it isn't. But because of the above stated issue ... People are lazy. The classic AOL class End (L)user wants to simply click on the magical 'Deliver me from all evil nastiness that is or will ever be' button one time when the computer comes out of the box. ...And then that should - and is to must be - the absolute complete and most utterly totally impenetrable shield of magical protection that is defended by winged demon monkeys that instantly fly to the rescue while they blindly click on any and every idiotic god damn thing that flies across the screen.

I'm on vacation ... But never the less I get an email from the brass who's in panic mode because of some browser window that appeared making them think someone else was looking up stuff on their workstation. My "responsible professional' response... was simply to state that this is why it is recommended to lock a station before walking away from it so we don't ever need to have conversations like this. It ain't like I haven't mentioned this little nuance like 14,000 times in the past ...(high-five for guessing why)... Derp! wallbash

Security is something that is practiced. It cannot be installed, or baked in to any degree of absolution (pun intended). Computers will never be totally secure, for the same reason that the roads will never be perfectly safe. Because no matter how much protection you build into the vehicle, you still can't compensate for the fact that the pilot is freaking stupid.
177  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Interesting "stuff" on: December 23, 2014, 01:06:49 AM
20 Gifs That Teach You Science Concepts Better Than Your Teacher Probably Can - StumbleUpon

I'd not seen all these collected together in one place before.

So... Are you going to share your C:\ drive with the rest of the class ... Or do you have a different link we should be using.. cheesy
178  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: For better security, maybe it's time to abandon e-mail? on: December 23, 2014, 01:03:41 AM
Depends on the jurisdiction I think. Here it only applies to "covered" communications. Many US corporations are now operating on a minimal retention policy. They only retain as much and as long as the law requires. With the exception of regulated securities-related communications; and tax documents and/or communications with government revenue services - which I have been told need to (or should be) be retained indefinitely.


Not to mention that legal issues are frequently exacerbated by excessive documentation. Like Sony who obviously could have massively benefited from a teensie bit more delete button action. Sure, it might piss a judge off a bit ...(if he knew about it)... But if there are no incriminating/scandalous records...then there's no reason to be talking to a judge.

You just need an established policy, that allows enough latitude, to let folks delete their junk mail ... Savvy?? Wink
179  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: For better security, maybe it's time to abandon e-mail? on: December 22, 2014, 09:18:36 AM
A secret is safe with three, if two are dead. This is the only thing that struck me regarding the Sony/Email fiasco.

The message format/fact that it was an Email is IMO irrelevant. Because... If there exists a document, that contains damning/damaging information - that you have within your power the option of destroying with impunity - what the hell did you save it for?!?

This to me is a people problem.
180  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Does anyone here use Bitcoins? on: December 14, 2014, 08:59:17 AM
Keep in mind that oil prices dipping like this could be a signal for a crash.

Highly doubtful...unless it being intentionally orchestrated. The Oil Err... "Energy Companies" are simply running out of bullshit excuses for keeping the prices jacked up to crippling rates. Last I heard the US is producing 80+% on its own oil so the middle east boogie man (blame game) shenanigans don't fly anymore. They've fracking well known (pun intended) for years they could drop the price to a reasonable level and still rake in mountains of cash per minute - just like they still are right now - without vimpirically draining the economy for fun and profit Ferengi style.

This kind of crap is precisely why these elitist market ghouls need to be publically executed (by the public) as a warning to others.

Canadian housing prices just dipped for the first time in 5 years. Spain & Greece have 50% youth unemployment. The Japanese economy is a shambles.

Blah Blah Blah - Global Economy... Yet another daffy excuse for pillaging the middle class ... Who for some odd reason always seen to get obligated to take the brunt of the damage in the interest of protecting the aristocratic 1%.

The US has 0.34% cash to debt (near zero liquidity), which indicates that they have a lot of market power.

"Zero Liquidity" (e.g. no cash) equates to "Market Power" how exactly?? If you're broke, you're supposed to stop buying shit ... Unless you're intention is to star in one of the many blond jokes that end with "But I still have checks left?!?"..

The oil price crash is likely part of a broader economic war on Russia. GATA was right about the PM market being manipulated. They all are. Legislation is in place to bail-in the banks (i.e. steal money from people to cover bank losses). New legislation on derivatives went through. The derivatives market is 20x (or more) the size of the world economy. Will pension funds be raided? Can we say "bubble"?

The key to Russian Roulette, is you're supposed to point the gun at your own head when the trigger is pulled...not the head of guy next to you. Which is why we need to bring back the guillotine (French style) to assist in educating the aristocracy on what constitutes 'acceptable risk' - for the greater good...

That could push people to put their savings into assets that aren't affected by traditional economic factors, and Bitcoin fits the bill.

Or more likely push people into putting their savings into something that is dependent on an infrastructure that can be pulled out from under them at a moments notice in the interest of national security, or some other totally fabricated bull shit "reason".

Right now with the price like it is, it seems like a buy & hold or buy & spend (with some holding) price. It's pretty cheap now.

Nothing is ever "cheap"...if it's all you have.
181  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: We Are the Idiots on: December 13, 2014, 03:54:03 PM
Something to ponder over: Many men and women have switched from smoking to chewing.

I've actually no idea how this is related, but after smoking for ~35 years I'm currently doing the E-cigs. Been at it for 9ish months...and it seems to be working quite well.

Vehicle doors (on either side) could open at any moment.  Any season and almost any speed.
Great 'opportunity' to clip the handle bar, lose some fingers or just a leg.

I know ... But the pack - of 6 vehicles - I was referring to was doing about 55 (in a 70..) when I chose to violate their airspace. So door opening wasn't a likely factor, and nobody was going to be doing any lane changing given their alignment. For the below 10mph crowd it's usually easier to just take the sidewalk to a side street to slip around any congestive obstructions.

If your DC contributions suddenly stop... Sad   I'll always remember you as the Male Trinity from The Matrix Reloaded.

I confess ... I've never been able to watch that scene without giggling, because much of it reminds me of my youth..
182  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Does anyone here use Bitcoins? on: December 13, 2014, 02:18:05 PM
Right now the market is once again being manipulated, as bulls and bears battle it out with the charts as the scoreboard.

Yeah, well the greedy pricks can tickle their ass with higher numbers just as easily without crippling the average Joe who's just trying to get by.

The news last night mentioned that the Wall Street vampires were having a hissy fit because of the "Horrifically low" price of gas these days ... Which is in an antithetical contrast to all of the other news reports that say that the economy is finally getting its crippled ass up out of the gutter because of gas prices dropping below the viciously gouging anal rape price range.

...And yet they sit there all baffled looking because the common man wants to have them burned at the stake...because they don't "understand" what they're doing wrong. Much like the French ruling class right before the advent of the guillotine fad back in he day ... We need to do that again.
183  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Does anyone here use Bitcoins? on: December 12, 2014, 10:58:16 PM
I'm more concerned with its value dropping than its mainstream increasing. Cripes it's down to $350 USD now ...(that shit's making me nervous)... They need to dropkick it back up to at least the 500's..
184  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: We Are the Idiots on: December 12, 2014, 02:33:53 PM
Do they allow lane splitting in CT?? ...Remember I'm on a motorcycle.

No. (I think CA is the only state that does - or used to if my biker day memories are correct.) But people do it here anyway.

It's still allowed on CA - According to my brother (who lived there for many years).

Unfortunately, in slowdowns where I am we have an uncommonly large number of lane switchers and breakdown lane runners. They cause more than their share of accidents. They smear more than a few unfortunate lane splitters too. Problem here is the splitters tend to fly in order to get through as quickly as possible.

Yes, one of my favorite pastimes is to do YouTube searches for (funny) motorcycle fails - Many of which feature lane splitting boo-boos that could have easily been avoided with a smidgeon of common sense. But having ridden since 1977...I have more than just a bit of a 6th sense about reading traffic to know when the odds are in favor of whatever stunt I may be contemplating..

In the meantime, almost anybody can be expected to suddenly lug out of their lane at any time without signaling.

I live in Florida ...(e.g. Snowbird State)... The only thing turn signals signify is what they're not about to do. cheesy

They do this to "get a better look ahead" because they're stuck behind an 18-wheeler; switch to a lane they think is moving faster; or they're just trying to get off one of the too many exits we have to take local roads.

Yepper, that's pretty typical of anywhere. This is why the splitting lanes at a high rate of sustained speed is basically idiotic, because it deprives you of the time necessary to read traffic and keep a viable escape route available. OTOH I have split small packs at 120mph on I-95 more than once ... But don't tell Crabby3.. Wink

In a dinky state like CT nothing's that far away from anything else so local roads aren't anywhere near the hassle they are in some places. And with entrances to '95 only (at most) a few miles apart, it's easy to get back on if you change your mind.

 Ay yes, the proverbial picking of ones battles. While I seldom use surface streets, I will - in a pinch - switch to them quickly if an accident or other issue causes traffic to backup to much to allow maneuvering.

FWIW, if I were still riding I wouldn't take my bike up on I-95 around here. Not even on a bet. In the 70s, my buddy and I would ride our bikes all the way up to Boston for school in September, and back home again in May, and not think twice. But these days? I wouldn't even consider trying it.

Understood, but I would. Now I ain't saying I'd enjoy it...but I'd do it ... Even if it was just to say I did.. (eek!) Mind you having 35+ years of contiguous riding experience is a really good cheat in those types of situations.

One of Clint Eastwood's less famous movie quotes was "It's good for a man to know his limitations". And oddly enough IMO he's right ... Which is why I do on the odd occasion err on the side of caution and take the truck. But that's usually when I get one of those funny feelings that I learned long ago it's best to trust.
185  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: We Are the Idiots on: December 12, 2014, 12:25:37 PM
If you have enough time to average 50,000 miles a year...that traffic can't be that bad.. Wink

Beg to differ. Come up here and give it a try. Or just google for info about I-95 in CT. Grin

Oh, I'm familiar with the drill. Which is precisely why I don't bother commuting to one of the bigger cities in the area where I could make more money...and then waste it on gas getting there and back.

Do they allow lane splitting in CT?? ...Remember I'm on a motorcycle. cheesy
186  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: silly humor - post 'em here! [warning some NSFW and adult content] on: December 12, 2014, 12:06:44 PM
It's almost Christmas, so it must be time to look at physics!

Considering I first read that almost 40 years ago, you have a lot of catching up to do  tongue

I still maintain that Santa Clause is the collective embodiment of all that is good, kind, and worth saving in the human race ... So screw the math and let it be.
187  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: We Are the Idiots on: December 12, 2014, 11:51:11 AM
If you have enough time to average 50,000 miles a year...that traffic can't be that bad.. Wink However the national average that insurance rates are based on is 15-20k per year. So at that rate we're looking at 7-8+ years to get over 100k, and that is plenty of time for the rubber chassis parts to start drying out and making the handling start getting sloppy.

MilesAhead nailed it with the highway mileage being easier on a vehicle. Car lots frequently use this phenomenon to explain away high odometer readings on really clean newish vehicles by simply stating that they were a "Salesman's Car" ... Meaning that they were frequently (or exclusively) used for long trips so the mileage on the clock is not (to be perceived as) a detractor. Highway miles tend to get put on a vehicle much faster so the rubber parts are still fresh...because they haven't had time to age, dry out, and start cracking.

Hell, just look at the progression of vehicle inventory through various types of car lots to see what the real  averages are:
 0-30k - Dealerships never want to have anything on the lot over 30k because they like to stick to the cream on the top and auction off the rest.
 20-40k - Reputable used car lots like vehicles in this range because they can still be sold high, and no major issues can be expected.
 50-70k - Still safe to buy from low budget lots that tend to focus on offering "affordable" cars..
 70-100k - Buy here/Pay here (because the bank won't touch it...), and the warranty if offered is extra...
 100k+ - Happy Sam's (over)used auto emporium. These are cash only operations that offer in-house financing at loan shark rates. That will frequently sell and then repo a vehicle upwards of 17 times before they just give up and crushing the damn thing for scrap metal. These people are known for what is referred to as a "Tail Light" warranty ... The instant the tail lights disappear off in the distance (or around the corner) stuck with it..

Our company has several vehicles also (vans of various sorts), and they average 20-30k+ per year. However their usage is primarily in the city so the constant stop and bake, then go like hell (ab)use causes then to wear out quite quickly. We never keep a vehicle past 150k because by that point they are worn out to the point of being scary and way too expensive to fix.

One other side note is that the environment the vehicle is operated in can also be a major factor. The Florida sun is flat-out brutal. So regardless of which brand/quality of windshield wipers I get, I'll never get more than 3 month out of them before they get cooked out to the point of being dangerously ineffective.
188  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: We Are the Idiots on: December 11, 2014, 06:20:17 PM
Not to mention the fact that "lean burn" burns up your system by running at high temperatures instead of just tuning the fuel mixture.

If that's the case, why do modern engines perform more reliably and last longer on average than those classic engines? And with far less major repairs?  huh

That's an easy one ... They don't. An engine is an engine, the major parts are still the same. Sure, some advances have been made in the materials they are made out of...(valve seats come to mind)...but they're not always used to the best effect (Like aluminum heads..).

Only real difference is the computer now compensates for anything that happens to wander out of spec, which allows the user to remain blithely ignorant of how badly the vehicle is actually running. So when it does finally start flashing the Check Engine can pretty much be guaranteed you'll be bending over to the tune of something in the $1,000 range. Mainly due to the fact that they are designed using the 10lb of shit in a 2lb bag/planned obsolescence school of engineering ... So nothing under the hood is ever easy to get to.

Not to mention that the realistic average life expectance of a modern vehicle - outside of Subaru commercials and fantasy land - is still just slightly north of 100,000 miles...just like it always was. Above that the suspension, steering, and other chassis components are going to be dangerously shot to hell regardless of how gingerly you wasted the time of everyone behind you babying the hell out of the engine.
189  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: which phone? on: December 11, 2014, 11:31:16 AM
I've had a Nokia Lumia 928 for the last year or so and have been quite happy with it.
190  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Changing from MyISAM to InnoDB in MYSQL DB on: December 10, 2014, 09:55:41 PM
They're both MySQL database types, one is just transactional. A transactional db is something you either need (for certain type of data processing) or you don't (because it has more overhead).

IIRC the handling of NULL changed around then, I had a few intranet sites that needed some quick tweaking when I upgraded the MySQL db engine because of the way I had (miss)used NULL on a few columns.
191  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Decibels, loudness, amplifiers, formulas...complete confusion! on: December 10, 2014, 12:06:44 PM
I think that's precisely the problem I'm having.  As far as I know, there's no formulaic connection between sound levels and electrical circuitry (ohms, volts, current).   With a sound level meter, yes, you can measure the SPL or whatever it is that indicates loudness.

Have you considered it may be due to the mechanical question mark in between them? Some of the electrical energy gets used accelerating the cone which is of an unknown weight and rigidity. Any drag caused by mechanical components making physical contact can also use/waste energy.

This is why vehicles have two different horsepower ratings, one at the crank, and one at the rear wheels. Because of the mechanical losses involved in getting the power from A to B (through the transmission, differential, clutch, and etc.).
192  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Decibels, loudness, amplifiers, formulas...complete confusion! on: December 09, 2014, 05:51:51 PM
Everyone's like yea yea, and gave me the formulas backing it up along with the specs of the headphones and amp, etc.  So I was convinced.  I got's ok, but it "feels" not loud enough because everything is cranked to the max.

LOL I've got a factory but very high-end sound system in my truck that subjected me to much the same experience. Understand I'm guessing a bit here, but... The newer music seems to be designed for equipment that has no baseline "white noise". Everything is digitally clear an sticks to frequencies that remain "comfortable" even when played at earth shattering db ranges. However, when one of my old school favorite songs came on, I found some parts of the guitar solo physically painful because it wasn't "designed" to be played that way over that kind of "new fangled" equipment.
193  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Decibels, loudness, amplifiers, formulas...complete confusion! on: December 09, 2014, 05:44:03 PM
How loud something is perceived to be is directly proportional to how acceptable the sound is to the listener. (i.e.) To me it is impossible to play AC/DC's Shoot to thrill to loudly ... Even if I'm bleeding from the eyes...I'll still be digging to music. Conversely, anything from the BeeGees, will make me vomit immediately...if it played audibly enough to recognize.

I've heard racing engines with open pipes redlined inside of a small shop that were loud enough to be physically painful unless you opened your mouth to equalize the pressure ... And I still responded Oh fuck me, do it again!!! ...Because I freaking loved it... Due to the intense pressure waves tickling the happy place in my soul.

So subjectivity is pretty much where it's at.
194  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: production salt-water pwrd car on: December 09, 2014, 03:47:11 PM
At least it's an 'Eco Friendly' car that can make it past 60 in less than a half an hour.
0-60 in 2.8 seconds
Top Speed 217
Horse Power 920

Now they're making sense...instead of the complete emasculated weed-whacker powered Toyota Prius crap.

@SephimLabs - Can you link us to the fancy salt specifics? I saw no mention of it in bit's article - Which I believe was your point.. smiley
195  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Looking for Windows Email Server Options on: December 07, 2014, 07:52:26 AM
Anything I do in my home lab "for fun", is just one more thing I can get paid well to do for other people.

Sorry. When you said "home office" in your OP I though you were referring to your employer's home office. Not your own.

I've been dealing with the corporate world way too long. undecided

LOL No my purpose for using the word home was to imply my house. I wasn't thinking of the other - rather obvious in retrospect - possible inference of the term 'Home Office'. At work we do have one satellite location, but its only existed for a few months so the whole HO concept hasn't really caught on yet. I was also thinking you'd remember we have an Exchange server there because it's come up several times in other threads.

Gotta watch those pesky assumptions! cheesy (tehehe)

My point was killing yourself for an employer by taking on a science fair project whne an acceptable solution already existed and was obtainable for a very small price makes no sense (to me) unless you put scant value on your time. I then qualified it by saying unless it's something you're actually interested in personally - in which case I fully agree that you can't put a price on time invested.

Right... Like scratch writing an IMS because it seemed like a 'fun' thing to do at the time. Now I get where you're coming from. Thmbsup

You have your Harley love affaire. I have my music jones. At the core they're really not any different. And time is no object when it comes to things like that.

Or maybe more correctly, the time invested is the object? Wink Cool Thmbsup

The second one sounds about right. It takes years of practice to get that good at something. But when you get to watch people's faces go O_O ...It's totally worth it. Lately I've been playing around with some of the low speed precision riding techniques that the cops use for parade/drill team presentations. I've fried the clutch three times in a year practicing, but I can now flip a full lean U-turn in less than 20 feet (at ~10mph) on my full dresser pretty much at will ... And that's with the wife on the back.
196  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Looking for Windows Email Server Options on: December 06, 2014, 03:33:11 PM
Anything I do in my home lab "for fun", is just one more thing I can get paid well to do for other people. As long as the end result is acceptable to my standards. So it's not really a case of devaluing my time to $2/hr.. smiley

It's also a case of getting the most bang out of limited buck resources. Right now the bike is far better for my health than a snazzy piece of kit. Because 9 times out of 4 it's IT that is stressing me out ... And the bike that lets me de-stress/relax. You see life gets incredibly simple at speeds in excess of 100mph, and the entire universe turns into a pin prick as the dance begins. This is why it keeps being said that one only feels truly alive when on the razor's edge and I know this to be true...having been there many times. It's a visceral, tactile, beautifully violent dance with an incredibly powerful machine that you must know intimately to survive.
197  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Looking for Windows Email Server Options on: December 06, 2014, 02:08:29 PM
Regarding spam...did you ever consider parking an Untangle Gateway in front of your e-mail? Not exactly tech-y to just buy something, but it's a quick and reliable fix if you're on a tight schedule.

That's a bit too much the swatting a fly with a shotgun approach. I don't really want something blocking on all 65,536 ports when I'm really only concerned with shenanigans on a single port 25. But then again I tend to like keeping my router in a small plastic (WRT54G) box.

And if you don't feel like playing with the community version, $540 will get you the whole shebang with full support for 10 devices. To add the full (as opposed to the free) spam blocker to the community edition only costs $108.

Wait, what... Spend money on something with licensing limitations?!? Good god man! ...The shear horror of the mere concept.(..eek!) cheesy

Currently the only thing I interested in throwing money at, is the retro classic custom Harley project I'm trying to get off the ground. I'm looking to do an old school sleeper drag bike out of an early 80's Shovelhead full dresser.
198  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Looking for Windows Email Server Options on: December 06, 2014, 10:48:55 AM
Cripes, I completely forgot about this thread - Sorry guys.

Not everything is better with a web-interface...

Amen to that one ... PHPMyAdmin is really just a bad habit for me, because most of the time I'm working with a MySQL db it's on a web I'm in web mode so-to-speak. I did use the workbench on one project - I forget which - and it is quite nice.

Been a long time since I posted, but I had to come back and post for this one.  It is too close to my experiences.  If it must be windows, I can't help you much, but if you are willing to stand up a linux/unix server (runs on Macs too), Dovecot is a winner.  Fairly simple to setup, low resource usage, runs great, support for both large and small use cases, designed for IMAP (though fully supports POP3), and VERY strong on security.  It's only drawback is it is ONLY for contact management, no calendaring, etc.  All that is handled by the client side, which means no synchronization between clients.  Of course if that is what you are looking for.....

I do have some comfort level issue with the Linux/Unix stuff, but I'm not ruling it out just for that. My main concern currently is getting some kind of spam filter on the SMTP server side of things. While I have had fun in the past seeing how much insanity is flying around out there, my inbox is now running at over 85% spam. So I gotta drive a stake through the heart of that little experiment as it's completely out of hand.

If you have serious security concerns, I'd probably forget about freebie solution for email.

My "security concerns" are why I'm self hosted. cheesy


I'm from the less is more minimalist camp ...(I detest bells and whistles)... "Features" to me are just more holes to exploit.

I can't help but ask - if that's the case, why are you using IIs? tongue

I've been running an IIS web server since 1999 when Win2k came out. I've never had a problem with it. Like anything else, if it's set up properly it's perfectly secure...and if set up improperly, it going to start eating your children/dog/limbs/etc..


Given that most of the recommendations have been hMailServer...I do believe it would behoove me to try hMailServer ... So that is now the plan.
199 Software / Post New Requests Here / Re: IDEA: Dynamic date and time stamping of a document when it is printed on: December 06, 2014, 10:09:36 AM
I need a way to automatically place a dynamic stamp onto a document when it is printed to the default printer.  The dynamic stamp would include the current date and time of printing (the dynamic aspect) and also include some static text, something along the lines of "This document expires 8 hours after the date and time listed."  Customizable text here would be sweet.

This needs to work with any printed document type, be it .TXT, .PDF or whatever, and this stamp must appear on every printed page.

So you're needing something that can hook into the printer driver and modify/expand on the built-in (very limited) watermarking capabilities. And this has to auto-magically work for any print job, that is sent from any application ... Correct?

A commercial (e.g. very not cheap) version of this functionality can be found here: I have not personally used it extensively, but I did once review it for our company, and they do make some very nice software.
200  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Target/K-mart remove GTA V from shelves - new petition to ban Super Mario Bros on: December 06, 2014, 09:51:53 AM
Oh and last night on Imgur, I saw a petition to ban the bible from being sold in stores for promoting violent crime, sexism, and incest. From the same line of thought that got GTA-V banned.

Albeit sadly predictable, that is mind blowingly retarded ... And I'm and atheist.
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