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101  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: wireless networking and wifi printer help on: January 22, 2015, 03:58:44 PM
My experience with HP is to stick to the real business class products and you'll be fine. T'was a time when that was all they sold, so it was a no-brainer going with HP. The old Laserjets (II/3/4/5/81xx/85xx, etc.) were built like tanks and un-killable.

I've currently got an HP LaserJet 4050dn here in IT, and a standing threat to shoot anybody that tries to wander off with it.


And they were repairable (often even field repairable) if anything did go wrong.

We have a crew of 5 service techs that do HP (and other brands) field repairs, all day, every day. So they are still possible. Wink


Then HP (of necessity) got into home/consumer-grade products...and the results are what we live with today.


I get where you're coming from here ... And yes, many of the really low end devices are ship to factory for disposal repair only. But I think that's only in the InkJet stuff...I honestly don't recall it ever happening with any of the LaserJets.


But I don't completely blame HP's engineers...

While I frequently spend much time swearing at them because of some of the designs...or the fact that they keep moving things. Over all I really like their products. Especially from the networking side where scan to Email/Folder/etc. services have to be tied into customer networks. I've dealt with the UI's from all of the major brands, and many of the fringe/copier brands. HP definitely has the best Embedded Web Server for administrative access going. Yes they tend to be slow as hell (since they went SSL). But they are laid out so that everything needed for a given task is in the section for that task.
102  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: wireless networking and wifi printer help on: January 22, 2015, 12:17:25 PM
I was a little leery of dropping about $250 on this type of device.

Once the marketing types got ahold of the idea that MFP == Green, we were stuck with them.

Multi Function Printers were a hard sell initially because people were worried that everything would be gone if the one device broke. But their service life has proven much better that initially direly predicted ... mainly because you can actually break parts of it and the rest will keep going.
103  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: wireless networking and wifi printer help on: January 22, 2015, 12:04:38 PM
Well...it's certainly more convenient than finding a crossover cable.

While true, it's amazing how many things are auto crossing these days.



My experience with low end Samsung printers is very discouraging, whereas I have had nothing but good results with Brother.

In the interest of clarity I'll mention that I'm the Network/Systems Admin for an HP Authorized Service Provider. However we do handle other brands, and service most any of them. One of the exceptions, is Samsung, which we jettisoned after less than a year. Brother we service, but do so infrequently as they are IMO designed to be disposable, and tend to be rather expensive to repair. On the plus side most do last a good while and will take a fair amount of beating.

Some of the business class HP's actually do have a complete wireless router built into them for handling NFC print jobs from mobile devices ... But I believe they tend to run north of $6,000.
104  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Urgent request for informatioon regarding time stamp in Windows 8 on: January 22, 2015, 11:32:20 AM
I think your answer lies here:

Add a little extra to the Mix.
If i upload a document created on the 20th, it shows that it has a date of the 22nd already.  If i DOWNLOAD that same document back to the web-server, it shows the 21st which is correct.  The only time it LOOKS wrong is when it is viewed through a browser on the website.  

What is the time offset where you're at?? It's possible that Apache is using either straight UTC, or is running off its own time offset for the directory browsing dates.
105  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: wireless networking and wifi printer help on: January 22, 2015, 06:56:59 AM
Also ad hoc networking is a topology. Ad hoc networking can be done in a number of ways. It's not dependent on specific hardware per se. And it doesn't need a wireless capability to make it work. You could do an ad hoc network with a crossover cable and two NICs. Or with multiple PCs, cables, and a dumb network hub or switch - no router required. That's how it used to be done before wifi came out.

which was the point I was trying to make Thmbsup

The catch is that with wireless Ad-Hoc networks you're stuck with a crossover cable style point to point connection, because there is no way to effect the switch/hub part of the equation. So three devices become the equivalent of trying to splice a third connector into the crossover cable, because nothing is available to handle the task of handling which packet goes where when.

Granted they are trying to create a working 3-way with the new Wireless Direct technology, but that's one of those things that's cool as hell when it works...but frequently doesn't - Because your particular stuff isn't compatible for reasons nobody can quite clearly define ... Because they're not quite done making up the %&^^$ spec just yet.



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Using a wifi connection just makes it much more convenient.

except it apparently doesn't huh

See, now you're starting to catch on.. Wink cheesy Thmbsup
106  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: silly humor - post 'em here! [warning some NSFW and adult content] on: January 22, 2015, 06:32:07 AM
I predict that the next cause for movie zombies will be malware. I think that a lot of people then will get a new antivirus system because of their fear of developing a hunger for brains.

Fear based targeted adver-tainment - Now That^ is a truly -(brilliant)- Horrifyingly real possibility.
107  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: wireless networking and wifi printer help on: January 21, 2015, 11:18:25 AM
^ cheesy Thmbsup
108  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: wireless networking and wifi printer help on: January 21, 2015, 06:55:10 AM
Makes for an Interesting wrinkle, once a 2nd (inactive) gateway gets introduced (IT hits the fan). Because it will either need a gateway-less static IP scheme, or a really low priority for the wireless adapters gateway to be sure they can get out to the web. Both of which either of us could probably do blindfolded...but neither is a great time for a novice. Not to mention if it ever required them to do any troubleshooting ... Zoiks!

actually not that hard as the tether doesn't need to be shared - we obviously only connect when we need it and the connection is direct to the PC in question, so not part of 'a network' at all

The issue isn't with either configuration independently. The issue is with the combination of the two quickly becoming about as much fun as trying to juggle cats.

Here's the fun part: In networking the default gateway is also known as "the path of last resort", and this by nature must be a singular item. However with the tethered + wireless network combo, you invariably end up with two paths of last resort...and this gets confusing as hell immediately. Because the first time the machine tries to get to an external (e.g. internet) address, it is going to have to digitally flip a coin, pick a gateway, and encounter a 50/50 chance if getting slammed into a wall (of oblivion) if it happens to pick the wrong/dead gateway.

Now while there are ways of dealing with the above, they are all (statically oriented) a royal PITA to deal with, especially on a portable device which is dependent on the availability of dynamic addressing.
109  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: wireless networking and wifi printer help on: January 20, 2015, 06:04:36 PM
Plus it irritates me to have to buy another wireless device

This I can understand - Complexity sucks. smiley


All the heavy lifting and dithering in the background that's needed to make your network stable and pleasant to work with is handled by the router.

Agreed absolutely, But the answer to how they connect to the internet:

by tethering our mobiles

Makes for an Interesting wrinkle, once a 2nd (inactive) gateway gets introduced (IT hits the fan). Because it will either need a gateway-less static IP scheme, or a really low priority for the wireless adapters gateway to be sure they can get out to the web. Both of which either of us could probably do blindfolded...but neither is a great time for a novice. Not to mention if it ever required them to do any troubleshooting ... Zoiks!

I think a safer way out would be to get one of the cellular broadband routers that will furnish its own centralized connection and built in wireless router that will share data with their existing plan ... Assuming their provider offers this option (many do these days). That way the objective can be achieved with less complexity than the existing system. Because then you're really just moving the modem to a central location instead of dangling it off the end of a cable.
110  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: wireless networking and wifi printer help on: January 20, 2015, 12:02:19 PM
but there's a counterpoint to that in that we don't actually need a network, we only need to be able to connect to the printer.

Using wireless to achieve IP connectivity...is a network. Size isn't the issue here, neither is the number or volume of services offered, it is the assigning of IPs and networking - by way of creating connections - of the devices that makes it a network. The Ad-Hoc nature of trying to make/keep it point to point (to point) really just complicate things.

That said I have been wondering about buying a wireless router so there would at least be some form of network

...

I need to get it to connect in the first place before this should be a factor mad

A (getting router - to handle addressing etc.) will solve B (getting connections to work/behave) for you.



I have to ask, how are the computers currently accessing the internet??
111  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: silly humor - post 'em here! [warning some NSFW and adult content] on: January 19, 2015, 11:56:10 AM
I think you probably meant "...I can't really...".

Correct, and the extended discussion while it could be interesting...simply doesn't belong in this thread.
112  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: wireless networking and wifi printer help on: January 19, 2015, 11:51:35 AM
Let me state up front that I don't have a home network - we don't have access to landline based broadband, and there's no other reason to network the 2 PC's in our house.

As incentives go, this is a pretty good one ... Because printer controlled wireless networks as a rule tend to be roughly half as stable as a acrophobic on an electrified tightrope.


Npte: Many times when a printer goes into power save mode it will drop its wifi connectivity. Without a network, if your PC can't provide the requisite wake-up call, the printer won't come out of power save.

While you are 100% correct in theory...in practice the printer is probably just not capable of responding to the wakeup call because of a conflict in its feature set. ergo:

People want "Green" print devices.
People want wireless print devices.
People don't realize that these two options are currently mutually exclusive.

I don't give a damn what the brochure says, I'm talking about what actually happens. Like for instance the $7,000+ Toshiba business copiers that go into Eco-Riffic "Super Sleep" by default in 1 minute...which renders the device inert on the wire until somebody walks over to it and physically presses the device's wake button. And this sort of shenanigan is quite prevalent in the industry. It also gets much worse the closer you get to consumer level devices.

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So... Start by disabling any and all sleep functions first. Then if it starts behaving you can look into how best to allow the thing to take a light nap.

One of the main questions that should also be asked, is does the printer itself really need to be wireless? More often than not the answer to this is no. Because the printer is almost always a stationary target that simply needs to be accessible from any moving location. So it really just needs to be accessible by wireless devices. Until they come up with a battery powered printer it's going to be tethered to a wall anyhow so you might as well take the advantage and wire in the network too. It's amazing how many people waste money getting upsold on this rather critical - but often misunderstood - detail.

According to the specs the device has an RJ45 Ethernet port, so get a cheap wireless router, wire the thing to it, and you should be ok. The router will handle the IP scheme, and you won't be left twisting in the wind hoping that some flakey "Cutting Edge" technology will decide to be kind enough to actually work on any given day.
113  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Congratulations Terrorists, You are getting what you want! on: January 18, 2015, 05:59:17 AM
It's just the minute when it gets complicated that things begin to get hazy.
^Amen to that!
114  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: I no longer read WIRED - and why I'm glad I stopped reading it years ago on: January 17, 2015, 10:09:26 PM
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What follows is both a funny and sad story about what has to be one of the most bleak-looking workplaces imaginable. One that looks more like a floor in some dystopian secret police headquarters than it does the offices of a jouralistic enterprise.

Doesn't seem dystopian to me, but I'm picturing it in its final state, being populated by hipsters wearing their horn-rimmed glasses with the non-prescription lenses, artificially distressed leather messenger bags, and their "It's not dystopian...we designed it this way ironically. If you don't get it, you'll never get it" attitudes.

And yet another description that furthers my resolve to have as little to do with large swaths of society as possible.

Tempting as it was to agree, two things struck me about this exchange:
1. They are no more or less annoying than we were at that age to our elders. Because it's fun to piss people off when you're convinced you already know everything.

2. Every time we chose to embed ourselves deeper into our holes...they win. Because it's so much easier to jerk people around when there isn't some asshole yanking on the curtain..
115  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: silly humor - post 'em here! [warning some NSFW and adult content] on: January 17, 2015, 01:09:23 PM
Yes, perception and political correctness. I think you could try to define these things as being "patterns of behaviour", but I'm not sure that psychologists would necessarily be able to agree with that without at least some better definition. The problem is that, in usage, such terms often seem to be merely clich├ęd ad hominem attacks - simplistic and pejorative labels which appear to be intended to force other people to maintain the labeller's paradigm or cognitive bias - i.e., it becomes mandatory that the thing being labelled be perceived in that light. If one does not perceive the thing in the "correct" light, then one is punished by the pejorative label being applied to oneself, either directly or by implication - e.g., "If you can't see that that is a racist thing to do/say, then you must be a racist also" (which is a non-sequitur). This would seem to be irrational.

The psychologists are right to object to things as vague as "patterns of behavior". That's a slightly aggressively creepy way for putting a negative slant on anything that isn't "crazier than a nutcase loon playing a chaotic random D&D character in real life"!

tellme

I'll try to add a new angle: political correctness especially pays overt attention to the differences between denotation and connotation, and also creates "excluded middle" fallacies. So you don't have to see things in the PC label's context, but it then forces you to then use it as the "anti" opposite.

Crap, I can really respond to this properly without going radically outside the intent on the thread. Perhaps it would be better (easier/safer/more appropriate) if this tangent was moved to the basement.
116  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Laboratory-Grown Penises Ready To Be Tested In Humans on: January 16, 2015, 07:38:23 PM
People on this thread be like:
 (see attachment in previous post)


Well, it is a hard topic to resist. Wink

Yes, and there's stiff competition in the race to keep the ball(s) rolling.
117  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: home automation on: January 16, 2015, 06:02:25 PM
I get the feeling that 90% of "kalos posts" are some sort of homework assignment and you lot are unknowingly completing them for him.

I think we're not doing a very good job of it though :-/

...That depends entirely on what grade he's after (too many A's draw attention - Ya know..). Wink
118  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Laboratory-Grown Penises Ready To Be Tested In Humans on: January 16, 2015, 05:59:02 PM
In other words, while I'm sure there are some men who would do such a thing no matter the cost, I think most men would only do it to restore some semblance of normalcy if e.g., some accident/injury/birth defect caused them to lose their penis.

Or - much like in the woman's case - feelings of inadequacy compelled them to want more.

Woman: Guys wont look at me because flat chested.
Man: I can't get any dates because I'm hung like a pinky.

Does either make any sense in reality? No. But they're both still sales opportunities..

This is a valid point, but I still feel it's not perfectly analogous. The size/sensitivity of women's breasts isn't quite as directly related to their sexual utility. Breast size is (generally) more for the man's enjoyment. If what she cares about is turning on her man, then reduced sensitivity/feeling in her breasts generally doesn't really affect her enjoyment of sex.

Nipples should never be wasted. Wink cheesy



Whereas the size of a man's penis may be related to both the man and the woman's enjoyment (though too large can be painful/troublesome for some women). But the sensitivity is definitely related to the sexual utility! He might not be able to even use it for sex at all if he's got no feeling in it.

I get where you're coming from. But I really don't thing this is a one-size-fits-all type use case. Sure with normal equipment and options it might seem quite risky .. But when pangs of inadequacy strike - and options are scarce - the sense of pride is much smaller.
119  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Internet freedoms restrained - SOPA/PIPA/OPEN/ACTA/CETA/PrECISE-related updates on: January 16, 2015, 04:56:45 PM
The people sponsoring this thing need to be removed from authority as soon as practical.

Agreed. It truly is astonishing how these fools who were put in place to enact the will of the people, persist in pushing an agenda that is so clearly against the grain of the people's will.

They need to start running congress like a reality show where the players are forced to toe the line because "We The People" have an option of 'voting them off the island' at any minute ... Then we'll see some freakin' work getting done in a hurry for a change.
120  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Laboratory-Grown Penises Ready To Be Tested In Humans on: January 16, 2015, 02:04:45 PM
In other words, while I'm sure there are some men who would do such a thing no matter the cost, I think most men would only do it to restore some semblance of normalcy if e.g., some accident/injury/birth defect caused them to lose their penis.

Or - much like in the woman's case - feelings of inadequacy compelled them to want more.

Woman: Guys wont look at me because flat chested.
Man: I can't get any dates because I'm hung like a pinky.

Does either make any sense in reality? No. But they're both still sales opportunities..
121  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: ideas that will change society on: January 16, 2015, 11:34:34 AM
Idea:  Legalize pot in all 50 states.  You can buy alcohol... why not grass?

You can buy guns... why not grass?
You can buy bomb ingredients... why not grass?

 embarassed..please forgive me ... i just left the Basement.

Are you still trying to get people stoned to drum up more gay weddings??

 cheesy
122  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: silly humor - post 'em here! [warning some NSFW and adult content] on: January 16, 2015, 11:30:40 AM
Eh... I think it depends on context.  And along those lines, silly humor from tosh.0

http://tosh.cc.com/video-...kcq/is-it-racist----slurs

Low Quality version from youtube..


Interesting experiment that is ... I think it speaks volumes about the current hyper-reactive -(PC)- trend our society has devolved into of looking for things to be offended by. Sure intent unknown some things might - by inflection - sound insulting...but racist?? No. Racist/sexist/elitist/whatever are all patterns of behavior, not terms or phrases.
123  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: ideas that will change society on: January 15, 2015, 06:06:59 PM
You're talking about a jammer. smiley They exist, but are usually illegal.

That's only if you do it wrong..

Harley Davidson Signal Jammer:
[attachthumb=1]

The above Harley Davidson Shovelhead is in a Jammer frame, and (with the open exhaust) Drag Pipes will at 3,000rpm effectively "jam" all (voice) radio communications in a roughly 3 block radius. You just gotta trust me on this one man, I used to piss myself laughing doing this in traffic for years. Now the new bike is too quiet...but I'm debating on "fixing" that up just a bit..
124  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: silly humor - post 'em here! [warning some NSFW and adult content] on: January 15, 2015, 02:37:24 PM
^So... Having a "Close Friend", that you like to "Get High" with...is now an inside joke..
125  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Laboratory-Grown Penises Ready To Be Tested In Humans on: January 15, 2015, 11:43:49 AM
wonder who the first person to have one grafted to their forehead will be

Huh? Aren't there several persons in very high government office that already have? huh

No, that is their forehead ... Ren was referring to adding an additional appendage.. Wink



@SB - Freakin' nailed it man - Totally reading my mind on that one. Thmbsup
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