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1  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Are Tables Required Or Not? on: March 01, 2014, 12:52:00 PM
Meanwhile, back at the ranch...

I have been thinking about the larger question of this thread.  I have been thinking of (1) what a table really is and why it was, is used?  I have also been questioning (2) what is really happening with tabulated data?  Now, I'm no great thinker, but (at least for me) this exercise has helped me to reduce the subject to a finer granularity and has allowed me a more objective consideration.  Read on.

(1)  The first thought I had was a table is convenient.  It stores/presents related data in a matrix that is both familiar and efficient.  I think this is because its function is reinforced by its form.  Even the visual framework allows us to quickly navigate the data in a well-seasoned procedure.  Our eyes lead our minds around the grid for whatever purpose.  Tables are as comfy as our favorite chair, but mainly for graphically-oriented people which appears to be the vast majority of humankind.  On the other hand, the familiar arrangement of tables may turn out to be a prison for textually-oriented folk.  They are locked behind the bars of the grid lines without freedom of their minds to work in their behalf.  The table, like a movie inexorably leads us wherever the film maker wants us to go.  Perhaps tables imprisons all of us?  This leads me to the next bullet.

(2) In consideration of the dynamics of tables and the interactions of the user, the table is a collection of relationships.  But, it does not necessarily follow that all those relationships *must* be kept in proximity.
[Note: to the Reader:  I must admit that at this point I get kind of fuzzy trying quantify these dynamics, but I will a least try to communicate my thoughts.  Please don't ridicule me if I can't make things coherent.  At this juncture I am only working through the theory of my cogitations.]
As I looked at a table I saw separate entities within the matrix (no pun intended).  Associations specific to various entities tried to emerge, but was never really able to overcome the gravitational forces of the table.  However, this does not mean those associations could not live outside the table, but this did provoke a question of whether the different associations "needed" each other to remain coherent?  Is it possible the groups of associations did not necessarily require the table, but only needed a different proximal relationship to maintain their vitality?

Well, that's as far as I got this go-around.  Keep in mind, I am trying to communicate a "picture" which briefly surfaced and returned to the depths without revealing its true and comprehensive form.  I can kind of "see" what I am trying to say, but I can't put into words or concrete application just yet.  I hope you all do not think me mad?   huh
2  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Are Tables Required Or Not? on: March 01, 2014, 12:23:34 PM
Again my real question is if tables can be eliminated as a tool in data storage/presentation?

OK, thanks for clarifying. I'd break down your question a bit further. There are two underlying assumptions there: 1) that there is (or should be) just one general way of working with data for everyone (with or without tables), and 2) that it is necessary or desirable to have all the solutions present in one single software.
Well, given I need to do global searches often, splitting up my data collection is not really tenable, so yes, I do need to have all my data in a single repository.

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Concerning 1), I'd say that people's information-related tasks vary so much that one workflow (working with or without tables) will never cover everyone's needs. Concerning 2), there may be benefits for using two or more different systems together to cover a workflow.

So it should be possible to use an information management (IM) software that does not have good support for tables most of the time, and occasionally resort to software that specialises in tables for the odd table-related tasks. A decent IM software should allow you to import the table somehow (as text or as image) or at least link to the file with the table, so it can be launched from within the IM, which can serve as a project hub (dashboard) for the given task group.
A valid observation, but again my need for global recall precludes multi-program schemes.

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In fact this is exactly my situation. I use ConnectedText (a personal wiki) for my database and information analysis. But creating tables is a pain in CT (at least for me), so if I need to work out a problem using tables then I use Treesheets or an Excel sheet, and then I link to those files from CT or take a screenshot and insert the image into the CT document.

Similarly, since CT is mostly a text-based system, I prefer to use Surfulater for capturing and storing webpages, but if it's an important page for a particular CT document, I can link to the captured webpage in Surfulater from CT directly. So you can have your cake and eat it.  Wink
I have used CT in the past (I may still have a license), but I stopped using it due to some anemia (I can't recall what?).  Surfulater is a bonnie piece of kit, to be sure.  If it had native table features we would probably not be having this conversation. Wink  One of my favorite features is the intelligent way it handles grabbing and formatting web sites.  Out of the box, I clipped a forum thread on turbine engine performance and settings for a DeHavilland Twin Otter.  Surfulater somehow intelligently excluded the superfluous junk and present the thread in a concise format that was far more enjoyable to read.

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But if tables are crucial for you, why not make a software that is strong with tables the centre of your system, and use other 'satellite' software to complement the tasks that it might not cover? In fact wouldn't InfoQube fit the bill?
InfoQube, eh?  It has been a long time since I have read that name.  Unfortunately, my gimpy memory will not release the details of my involvement at present.  I will have to return to the scene of the crime to re-familiarize myself.
 
3  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Are Tables Required Or Not? on: March 01, 2014, 12:07:58 PM
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My primary purpose for using tables is to arrange data in numerous grids of related and structured information in order to evaluate different related entities.  I do this so various items can be compared as to determine the "best" choice.  Once I have made a decision the table serves as a referential repository.  It is not uncommon for me to edit the tables numerous times a month.  You might call my grids, "Living Tables."  I hardly ever store data in any other form.  As an example, I use a table to create characters for my fiction.  Each row is a character with the columns being criteria of the character's person (eye color, hair color, build, temperament, etc).  This allows for great checking and cross-referencing of the necessary conflicting attitudes and temperaments which allows those wonderful dramatic tensions.
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I think a database type IM might be what you need here. You can create fields/columns for the different attributes. But you would have many advantages over simple tables:
you could e.g. have sub-items/hierarchy under each character with related ideas
you can give items multiple parents i.e. show in multiple locations
sorting can be a lot easier than with tables, although this might not be an advantage if writing within the "table"

Worth checking out this thread too: For Serious Research: Cadillac of "ClipBoard Managers" vs. "Info/Data Manager". There are other ideas there that may well suit better.
Tomos,

Thanks for the suggestion, but unfortunately, I don't really understand what you are getting at with "database IM?"  Perhaps after I digest the link you provided I will have a better grasp.  I know I am missing something here, but I don't know what.  Sad
 
4  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Survivorship Bias...an Insidious Enemy on: March 01, 2014, 10:08:57 AM
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It's one of those things that makes sense logically, but is extremely difficult to avoid succumbing to even if you know you shouldn't.
You're welcome and I am agreed.  Hence my headaches.  tongue
Seriously, that is why I am asking the question why it has been allowed to be such an influential makeup in our persons.  Frankly, my enlightened awareness of Survivorship Bias has changed my life since I have allowed my investigation access to my most cherished of understandings.  I have even been provoked to look at the world differently.  Like I said, understanding the concept does take some doing, but applying it to your world will present some significant challenges.  Your mind will have to put on a good pair of work boots, coveralls and gloves because it will take work.

5  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Against TED talks on: March 01, 2014, 09:54:56 AM
I am probably unqualified to comment on the thread as I have no idea what TED is, right (yes, I live in the bottom of a well)?  Well, maybe not.  Given I have no knowledge of TED, I can offer a different (not necessarily better) perspective.  

Over the years I have come to know a bunch of you folks and have come to value your intelligence, wisdom and wit.  The point is what I know of TED has only been gained from this thread.  Here is what I have gleaned from your comments...
  • We are being required to "see" the Emperor's New Clothes by a mindless mass-mob manipulated by crafty diatribe.
  • There is nothing new under the sun.  Great thinkers throughout history have eschewed fads of this ilk.  If it truly had intrinsic value it would have been seized upon long ago.
  • So, I am not the only one seeing a new "Kinder-garten," eh?  Wally-World better lay in a LARGE supply of brown shirts.
  • Although the previous bullet is tongue-in-cheek and a bit frivolous, this is really no laughing matter.  Recall how the French Bourgeoisie was incited to riot against Aristocracy which in turn gave us seventeen years of horrible blood-letting and the ultra-efficient guillotine.  Add to that how the mantra of "tolerance" was used to silence anyone who opposed one's point of view.  Talk about "intolerance!"  And who can miss the lessons of the Warsaw Ghetto and the choke-hold on the world by Nazi propaganda which found fertile soil in children's hearts and led to holocaust?  No, this is quite serious and behooves me to take a more proactive stance to understand where TED is headed (Thanks Renegade.).

Although Hitler's "Final Solution" for the six-million Jews created such an outcry in contemporary times, didn't anyone notice Stalin was responsible for the fifty-million slain of his own countrymen?  Strange.

Thanks for this thread folks.
6  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Survivorship Bias...an Insidious Enemy on: March 01, 2014, 09:19:40 AM
Hi,

I recently was asked to read an article on "Survivorship Bias."  It is fairly long and it may take some people a bit to wrap their brains around the concept, but it is provocative and sound.  If one considers how pervasive this paradigm really is at every echelon of human existence, one has to wonder why thinking people have allowed Survivorship Bias to go so long unchecked and unchallenged?  While a search of the Internet would lead one to think Survivorship Bias is confined to the financial realm of investing, the author of the article allows us to see it painted with a broader swash.  This is good, IMO.

WARNING: Not to be too melodramatic, it is not so much the concept which will give you brain strain, but the inevitable and involuntary response to apply it will create quite a mental tussle (at least it has for me).  Assimilating the concept will require nothing less than a paradigm-shift in your thinking.  Personally, it has been almost eight weeks since I was challenged to read the article.  I have been trying to digest the ramifications from the first day and I still get a headache if I try to think it through to its logical end (haven't made it yet).  Further, in imagining what a world would look like if Survivorship Bias had been identified and precluded from society, I am led down a corridor which becomes quite complex.

At the end of the day... my two-month long mental sparring with Survivorship Bias leaves me with some questions which continually provoke me...
  • Has there ever been a human society which was able to rise above the trap of Survivorship Bias?
  • What would that culture have looked like?
  • How would have technology advanced if it had been born and nurtured in an environment free of Survivorship Bias?
  • How did Survivorship Bias become so globally accepted given the effects are so harmful?
  • Is it even possible to completely un-learn Survivorship Bias?

Again, the read itself is long (you may want to print it out).  Anyway, here is what I suggest...
<> Find yourself a good hour(s) of uninterrupted time to read the article and absorb its contents. 
<> Grab yourself a friendly cup of hot tea or other familiar (favorite) beverage. 
<> Take your laptop, iPad, etc. to your comfy spot and get ready for your mind to be bent in a way never before conceived. 
<> Please report back when you've had a chance to let it sift through your considerations and have mentally applied it to your everyday life.  I am very curious to learn if my experience of the effects are common or unique.

One final thought.  After one reads the article please come back here and consider the following... 
DC is a community of coders, et.al., who have had to struggle through a variety of challenges of unruly design and syntax (read: failures).  In consideration of Survivorship Bias, one has to wonder how many unrealized "successes" never saw the light of day because the programmers were led away from the opportunity by the Pied Piper's notes?

Fair winds.

[Disclaimer - It is obvious I am zealous on the subject, so it behooves me to advise the reader I have no relationship with the author and I receive no compensation.]
7  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Are Tables Required Or Not? on: February 28, 2014, 12:12:43 PM
The topic here is are tables essential?

Well, I'm not sure what you're getting at then. It seems like you have already decided that tables are essential for you. So what are you asking? Are you looking for software that have good support for tables OR are you looking for arguments to convince you that tables are not essential?

Yes, tables "are" essential for me, but as stated in the OP, I am willing to concede what I have come to accept as "best for me" may be too narrow a scope.  As a result, I am attempting to open up my perspective to allow other ideas.  So, the answer to both your questions is, "Sort of, Yes."  Again my real question is if tables can be eliminated as a tool in data storage/presentation?  My present myopia says, "No."  So, until an argument can be made for not using tables, I'm stuck with my present understanding.  Although finding the "right" software will be beneficial, my purpose in this thread has migrated to the larger question concerning the necessity of tables.  I am finding the question provocative and fertile ground for discussion.  Maybe I'll learn something. smiley 

Consider Surfulater.  A powerhouse piece of software in almost every other respect, but there is no native provision for tables.  This blows my mind!  Neville is obviously a very intelligent person, but he did not include tables as a feature!??  This leaves me asking "why?" which provokes me to re-examine my understanding.  I find myself asking, "What does Neville know that I don't?" (yes, I have asked, but we are only in the middle of that conversation).  The bottom line is... if Surfulater and a good number of other "information collectors" do not have native table features, what paradigm of form and function is being used?  Hence, this thread.  I hope this makes sense?
8  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Are Tables Required Or Not? on: February 28, 2014, 11:25:57 AM
I appreciate the replies, but it appears (at least for my needs) tables are required and any software which does not allow some form of basic (and searchable) table structures just simply won't cut it.  This eliminates Surfulater and MyBase (MyBase does provide RTF tables, but any data in a table is not searchable AFAICT).  The idea of using mind maps may have some potential as quasi-tables as long as one doesn't lose other necessary functions, but I digress...  The topic here is are tables essential?

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@TaoPhoenix - Kudos!  I have given MyInfo a good once-over and it has the best table features (sans a "live" column and row sizing like in Evernote) I have found so far, but there are additional functions I need to test.  MyInfo has a nice, easy feel to it which I like.  MyInfo is off to a good start in my ! smiley
Time will tell.
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9  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Are Tables Required Or Not? on: February 27, 2014, 04:30:27 PM
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Could you share the link please?

"how does one handle the data normally contained in tables"
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Sorry for being vague.  I edited the OP accordingly.

The "treatise" was the review Aram put together on note taking software, "Notetaking Software Roundup #1."  You'll understand why I chose the words, "information collectors" should you make it through the review. 
10  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Are Tables Required Or Not? on: February 26, 2014, 09:26:42 AM
After reading SuperBoyAC's excellent treatise on "information collectors" I thought I would examine if I was using the most efficient tool for my purposes (nothing special).  In my examination of one of the products I found a complete lack of support of tables unless I copy/pasted.  Given the developer is a most gracious person and quite competent in coding, I decided to remove myself from the exalted throne and ask myself *if* my long-held persuasion that tables were/are indispensable for collecting/organizing/presenting/storing data.

My question is... if tables are not used how does one handle the data normally contained in tables?  


FWIW - The software I am considering has everything else I need except tables.  This is the only caveat I have to overcome.

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My primary purpose for using tables is to arrange data in numerous grids of related and structured information in order to evaluate different related entities.  I do this so various items can be compared as to determine the "best" choice.  Once I have made a decision the table serves as a referential repository.  It is not uncommon for me to edit the tables numerous times a month.  You might call my grids, "Living Tables."  I hardly ever store data in any other form.  As an example, I use a table to create characters for my fiction.  Each row is a character with the columns being criteria of the character's person (eye color, hair color, build, temperament, etc).  This allows for great checking and cross-referencing of the necessary conflicting attitudes and temperaments which allows those wonderful dramatic tensions.
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11  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / PB&J with Potato Chips... One of Nature's Most Perfect Foods[ on: December 16, 2013, 02:07:08 AM
Don't read the following unless you're bored.]

Not sure how my mental sojourn went from NANY considerations to this, but I guess have fun with it.  smiley

I love to eat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches with tater chips.  Naturally, this cuisine *must* be complimented with a glass of ice cold milk!  Although I like strawberry jelly, IMO, peach preserves (preferably homemade).  I should point out I can enjoy the crunchy peanut butter, but the luxurious elegance of the silky smooth butters can't be beat!


So, what constitutes your favorite food groups when you want to chill out and enjoy a delicious treat?
12  DonationCoder.com Software / Clipboard Help+Spell / Re: Lost the Time-Delayed Paste in Clipboard Help+Spell CHS on: December 07, 2013, 10:42:40 PM
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I could add an option for delayed paste too I suppose..

@Mouser - Any forward movement on this mod?
13  DonationCoder.com Software / Finished Programs / Re: DONE: Folder Properties Auto-Update.... on: November 10, 2013, 07:16:39 PM
Thanks!  Looking good and I will wait patiently for the next iteration.   greenclp
14  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Looking For Realtime Graphical Folder Size Monitor w/ User-Configurable Updates on: November 10, 2013, 07:12:03 PM
Shades - Thanks for the explanation.  Looks like I wanted to paint the *whole* house white with the option to paint different parts another color.  Tolja I had a gimpy brain.  It gets creative at times.   embarassed
Also, thanks for the link.  I'll check it out.   
15  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: I hate the word "anathema" on: November 10, 2013, 11:37:39 AM
I just hope superboyac is not a hippopotomonstrosesquipedalian?   ohmy
16  DonationCoder.com Software / Finished Programs / Re: DONE: Folder Properties Auto-Update.... on: November 10, 2013, 10:35:29 AM
Addendum...

Will FolMon display the same as the Windows' hover-mouse-over-folder function?  Will it show all MBs/GBs included in the folder and subfolders?

Looks promising.  I hope we can get it to work.  smiley
17  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Looking For Realtime Graphical Folder Size Monitor w/ User-Configurable Updates on: November 10, 2013, 10:30:37 AM
I can live without graphics.  FolMon's present display should be adequate.  Trialing it as we speak, but having issues (see "FolMon" thread).

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I could probably add an option to keep the window on top.
That would be appreciated.  smiley

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BTW, "realtime" and "user-defined" seem a bit mutually exclusive to me  smiley
I'm sure this was clever and informative, but I don't understand? I have a gimpy noodle sometimes. embarassed

Thanks for the help.
18  DonationCoder.com Software / Finished Programs / Re: DONE: Folder Properties Auto-Update.... on: November 10, 2013, 10:24:47 AM
Unfortunately, I am not getting flawless performance.  FolMon only and constantly shows "28" while the mouse-hover-over-folder keeps updating continuously.

I am on Vista 32 @ 1.67GHz and 3GB RAM.

I have tried opening FolMon as "Administrator, but no joy.

Out of ideas.  Any suggestions or can I provide more data?

FWIW - Given others are achieving great performance, I am persuaded the problem is probably on my end, but I don't know where.

Thanks
19  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Looking For Realtime Graphical Folder Size Monitor w/ User-Configurable Updates on: November 10, 2013, 09:15:40 AM
I have a very slow laptop and installing s/w is a major ordeal.  It literally takes a whole day sometimes.  I cannot afford any upgrades at this time.  Therefore I am looking for a folder size monitor that will graphically display the size of a folder which will have a user-definable update interval and can be switched to be kept on top of other windows, if necessary.

Can this be coded in AHK (I might try to build it myself *if* it is simple)?

Are there already s/w (hopefully freeware) that will do what I want?  I tried doing a search, but was overwhelmed and got really confused and frustrated (happens more often lately).

Thanks in advance.
20  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Movies or films you've seen lately on: October 22, 2013, 08:05:49 PM
Casablanca
...need I say more?  Wink

FAIL-SAFE
Enjoyed it with breakfast last Thursday.  It framed my thoughts in a surreal way.  As relevant today as it was on its premiere.  Should be a mandatory annual world-wide viewing for all military "Brass" and politicians*.



* They should see how close they resemble, "Groeteschele."

21  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Leap Forward in Aviation Tech on: October 22, 2013, 07:36:36 PM
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this was the finest moment in Canadian aviation history since March 25, 1958, the day the Avro Arrow took to the skies.
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Yes, and they didn't do too bad with the CRJ series either.
22  DonationCoder.com Software / Clipboard Help+Spell / Re: Lost the Time-Delayed Paste in Clipboard Help+Spell CHS on: July 28, 2012, 10:57:25 AM
I have been experimenting some more with this and I noticed H+S already has this copytoclipboard-delay-pastefromclipboard functionality, but it only works with the "R - Time/Date Textclips" function on the H+S Systray pop-up.  

If I click on the "R - Time/Date Textclips" in the H+S pop-up list, there is a delay of 2 seconds... then I hear the "paste" sound wav file (set in View >> Options >>  Interface Options) and it automatically pastes the selected Date/Time at the cursor position in whatever application has focus.  However, if I select anything in the top of the H+S pop-up list, the "paste sound" wav file plays immediately indicating it has pasted, but because there was no delay the focus could not be changed to the target application.

It seems if the Time/Date paste function could be delayed, the clips would have the delay function too.

Does everyone have this same experience with H+S?

23  DonationCoder.com Software / Clipboard Help+Spell / Re: Lost the Time-Delayed Paste in Clipboard Help+Spell CHS on: July 04, 2012, 12:55:31 PM
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I could add an option for delayed paste too I suppose..


If you *could* add a user-definable delay in seconds to paste-whatever-is-on-the-clipboard function (loading would be done via the systray CHS icon) I would not only be grateful, but could use it immediately or whenever you can make it happen.  It would be a permanent tool in my kit if you decide to add the function.

I have considered all the preceding suggestions, but due to my limitations with a keyboard, I am relegated to computer mousedom.  So far I have had no success in locating the "other" app which might have been the culprit.


24  DonationCoder.com Software / Clipboard Help+Spell / Re: Lost the Time-Delayed Paste in Clipboard Help+Spell CHS on: July 02, 2012, 10:37:47 AM
I don't think there is such a function -- perhaps you imagined it? (emphasis mine)

If you tell me a situation where you need it perhaps it's something i could add.

Please don't say that!  The implications are well, you know.

Back on topic... I seem to use a number of apps that CHS doesn't play well with when I try to paste directly into the app.  The user-defined time-delay-paste would allow selecting an item from the list (loading the clipboard), then clicking the mouse where I need it in my target app and after the five-second delay would automatically paste the clipboard into the target app.

I know I am not crazy and I know this function was used tens, sometimes hundreds of times a day.  Is it possible another app was doing this in a clandestine manner?  Hmm... I wonder what it might be?  huh
25  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: When you make your 100'th Post on: July 02, 2012, 10:15:35 AM
My 1,000th!  smiley

I may not always be in "Cody's Home," but it will always be in me!  Kiss

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