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General Software Discussion / Re: How to prevent browser tab clutter for Firefox and Chrome?

« on: October 07, 2012, 09:45 AM »

but I can still only afford my current 8GB memory cause it's not exactly at the top of my list of things to do with my money ;-)

-tomos (October 05, 2012, 06:59 PM)

8Gb must be completely enough for normal work (yet of course not as comfortable as with 16gb, and 32gb is even better : ). app103 cannot open more than 10 tabs without problems in Chrome. And the only thing i can imagine why is this, is because she have 2Gb of ram (or most likely - 32bits OS and 3gb limit + use some others heavyweight programs in multitasking). For this case of course Firefox will do better. Yet it also will not work for its full potential, along with any other serious modern software. Yet if resources is not an issue Chrome seriously outperform Firefox.

Complaining that Chrome work bad on inadequate hardware is like complaining that Ferrari go slowly on off road and a jeep, or even mountain bicycle, is faster.

And of course need all of this bring to context. Most of the people for whom I present my extension say that they rarely open more than 5 tabs.... For them there is no difference at all, i think (yet Chrome opens faster even in this case)

OTOH I think your chrome extension is amazing

-tomos (October 05, 2012, 06:59 PM)

Thanks  : )

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General Software Discussion / Re: How to prevent browser tab clutter for Firefox and Chrome?

« on: October 05, 2012, 02:12 PM »

you are wrong about process-per-active-extension and about process-per-tab, and about why this is might be bad (it is actually good most of the time, yet it is not the case, open task manager and see for yourself).

As about you calculations and proofing how cannot you buy anything, and that Chrome is suck for you and cannot open even several tens of tabs... I think it is better for me not to comment anything about this and not overpersuade. Use Firefox - it is excellent browser, I am far from saying that it is bad, or not needed anymore, or.... I use chrome, i have a decent pc, my chrome easily manage 600 open tabs, and not so easily, yet it can 800-900, on a same system Firefox cannot do this, i spent in a month much less sum than you, never been able to afford such luxury frippery, also have some problems with income, fortunately not sick, yet not sure how this is related to our discussion and that you are not "worried about how much ram is in my computer" and as so, not worried about the consequences - and this is understandably, as it is clear that you really have more important worries. Good luck and best wishes.

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General Software Discussion / Re: How to prevent browser tab clutter for Firefox and Chrome?

« on: October 04, 2012, 03:01 PM »

Yes - for some people, that's half a month of dinners.

-f0dder (October 04, 2012, 02:35 PM)

Such people anyway have more important tasks than sit in front of the net and open crazy amount of tabs ; )

BTW I am practicing freelancer. And i work for example through odesk. Even Philippians - who always be the lowest paid workforce now work
for 12-14$ per hour... So yes, there really exist somebody for whom this is a year salary, but most likely they not have a PC and electricity in a first place.

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General Software Discussion / Re: How to prevent browser tab clutter for Firefox and Chrome?

« on: October 04, 2012, 02:18 PM »

I love the sheep icon being used for the clone option! So cool... 

-brotherS (October 04, 2012, 12:46 PM)

What else can represent cloning process : )))
Not even remember is I think about some other options or not : )

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General Software Discussion / Re: How to prevent browser tab clutter for Firefox and Chrome?

« on: October 04, 2012, 02:10 PM »

Not everybody has or can afford extra RAM.

-f0dder (October 04, 2012, 10:23 AM)

Really?
16gb (2x8), for notebook, cost 70$
cannot afford this?

Take note that unused ram is utilized as prefetch cache by system. So you will also seriously speed up all you disk operations and the system in general.

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General Software Discussion / Re: How to prevent browser tab clutter for Firefox and Chrome?

« on: October 04, 2012, 08:24 AM »

I have 16 gig of ram. But 800 Chrome tabs rarely consume more than 5-6 GB.

-omnray (October 04, 2012, 08:19 AM)

Except if you have flash enabled, as many advertising banners use it. This is quote from my help text:

If you open a lot of tabs - set flash plugin in “Click to play mode” - there is how:
www.mytechguide.org/9445/disable-flash-content-google-chrome, really useful
for saving your PC resources and to prevent videos autoplay. Actually without this
it is impossible to having open several hundreds of tabs.

Then pray for Flash so it will not die to HTML5 completely (as occupyflash.org
horde crave) - as it is hard to control HTML5 rich media content so easily. Note
that even if you click play you can unload downloaded by Flash content from
RAM, stop video downloading and bandwidth usage, CPU usage, and free
resources without closing the page, simple by clicking refresh - this is not at all
so easy with HTML5 based solutions meantime, and I think it will not be so.

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General Software Discussion / Re: How to prevent browser tab clutter for Firefox and Chrome?

« on: October 04, 2012, 08:19 AM »

You guys are incredible. I can't process more than some 30 tabs at a time. So I'd save them in session groups. I couldn't imagine 700 tabs. It just feels "wrong". (yikes).

-TaoPhoenix (October 04, 2012, 07:33 AM)

If you not need to shut down you Chrome daily there is no real need to close tabs (I move pc to a sleep at night, not shut down it).
Closing tabs take time (actually a lot), and mental energy, so i prefer open new one if i need, and even if i know that they already open - it is faster to open new one than to search old (even with tabs quick search extensions). And I clean up everything only once in a week or two, all at once. This is real clean up session:
http://www.youtube.c...Y8&v=VvlK1ttZ3dI
(you maybe already saw this video as it is referenced from TO overview video)

In past, before TO was done, there was real problems in this scenario - because of accident crashes or restarts, and there will be no any observability, but now i am even never mind if everything will crash, even not reopen anything.

Microsoft Windows start to work unstable when there is ~800 open tabs. So when i come close to 400-500 is simple save everything and continue work with one tab. So i close everything only when i forced by OS limits - maybe you forced to do this every day, so you not accumulate so big pile.

I have 16 gig of ram. But 800 Chrome tabs rarely consume more than 5-6 GB.

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General Software Discussion / Re: How to prevent browser tab clutter for Firefox and Chrome?

« on: October 04, 2012, 07:06 AM »

Chrome keep 300-400 without any problems or system slowdown.

-omnray (October 03, 2012, 05:05 PM)

That has not been my experience. Can't seem to go over 10 without issues. That's why it is not my default browser.

-app103 (October 04, 2012, 02:40 AM)

After 600-700 tabs in Chrome (if flash is disabled, and no any heavyweight javascript, in some page, is runned) Windows start experience problems with available handles to draw other applications. This is something real, this limits can be tuned, i have in the end of the Tabs Outliner page in the Chrome Web Store comment how to raise there limits. But actually this will be not needed if you install it, as its main goal is to prevent this situation ; ))

But 10 tabs, or windows, cannot hit about this limit. CPU most of the time is not an issue (but worth to check task manager, maybe some of you favorite sites execute some DNA computations in background using javascript, yet situation with Firefox will be worse in this case, as it is have more slow JS engine, so this is unlikely). So i can only guess you have only 2 or 4 gig of ram. And the best advise - buy more ; ) Cannot insert more? - buy a new PC - they are realy rock now, and i think you will not need new next 10 years : )

Yes, Chrome use more ram, maybe much more, i never compare, but to start new Firefox instance when you have 200-300 tabs in it need to wait a minute, and new Chrome start instantly even if you have 600 tabs. And work as fresh one (not the case with Firefox)

Definitely Firefox is not an adequate browser for tabaholics. Even with all of its really mega useful addons and features which allow to manage this situation i switch to Chrome only because of this, long before i have working Tabs Outliner - but now, when it is exist and work, there really no reasons to continue use Firefox (yeh, yeh, this is only my IMHO, and i am biased as hell ; ).

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General Software Discussion / Re: How to prevent browser tab clutter for Firefox and Chrome?

« on: October 03, 2012, 05:05 PM »

Well, I haven't figured out how to keep 150 tabs from slowing everything down

-app103 (October 03, 2012, 02:54 PM)

Chrome keep 300-400 without any problems or system slowdown. And this is why i switch. And this is why i wrote Tabs Outliner only for Chrome, and maybe will not do this for firefox, till they not fix them. In version 3.6 i easily opened up to the 1000 tabs on them (well, maybe not so easily, but, i really do this, now this is impossible in Firefox )

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General Software Discussion / Re: How to prevent browser tab clutter for Firefox and Chrome?

« on: October 03, 2012, 12:41 PM »

For Chrome, there's Too Many Tabs.

-Deozaan (October 03, 2012, 10:57 AM)

For Chrome there is something MUCH better:

Tabs Outliner
https://chrome.googl...mamlbiijnphhppkpkmkl