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General Software Discussion / Re: Firefox
« on: May 26, 2007, 01:06 PM »
Not going to review old misunderstandings but, especially for you app103, unless Im blind one can only get the impression that IE7Pro and/or OrbitDownloader is spyware, unethical - to be avoided. That is rubbish to say and so I object to this. I dont care who say it either. Have nothing to do with "personal" choice of browser - I have no interest in others personal choice but thanks for the lesson. What I will say is that cmpm have no knownledge about what I linked to and is just chitchatting along with "reputable" forum member Wordzilla who declared this evil - in the thread I linked to. I should not care but find logic stupid and dont mind saying so. Self proclaimed truths based on nothing just boils me up. Show me some proof warranting these hints and suggestions. Im not the one associating Ie7Pro theme with web crawlers, dangerous internet or whatever - where did all that come from? Hard to figure out? Why I said to take it easy screaming SPYWARE without being absolutely sure. If there was meat on this case it would be visible, could be reproduced etc. Not down to personal ideas or feelings. Facts are not interesting. This particular item not meeting cmpms "security standards" means he have done thoroughly testing? - yeah right. Totally convincing, care to explain what he is on about? Dont you think he should? Just cut the nonsense and stick to facts is all Im asking - and I still have no share in IE7Pro but see no reason to flame program for anything but minor DC-spamming over a months long periode. Saying that is unethical is already stretching it.
 
I never pimped any browser to anyone, not the issue at all if you read more than selected lines - saying I find IE7 quite useful with IE7Pro should say enough of that. If he said screw IE7 and addons fine with me, I could not care less. Pretending doing proper testing while just babbling whatever seems appropriate is annoying and in the case of IE7pro just plain silly. Very possible that attitude give me doubts about how he actually carry out his "tests" of this and that including Firefox which he suddenly dont "like" but my problem - must be careful with accusations.

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General Software Discussion / Re: Firefox
« on: May 19, 2007, 04:10 PM »
Well you have nothing to back up your claims right? I dont care if you like it or not, Im interested in why it violates your security standard. Seems like witch hunting to me. Not surprisingly followed by notes about evil tracking cookings and web crawlers - all a big conspiracy. I trust you have investigated IE7Pro, at least on level with your Firefox adventure, so would you mind telling me where I find the spyware? As suggested by the reputable member! I actually use it, other DC members probably does too, so enlighten people.

Imagine if other forums posted equally unsubstantiated claims against DC software? Should such post be requested backup or eaten up like candy? Security is also about sticking to facts, rejecting ghost stories/rants, demanding proof/ability to reproduce. Im unsure about your "standard".

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General Software Discussion / Re: Firefox
« on: May 19, 2007, 03:05 PM »
You are jumping to conclusions without bothering to research. And talk about security standards. Try stick to the matter which is I gave you link to a confusing post about that add-on - not any meat on accusations but if in the mood useful to fuel "risk" thinking. There is a need for that no doubt, just dont mistake that for optimal security. Unless you have a little proof are you not being very unfair? Best way of putting it.

I linked you to that theat thread by "a reputable poster" in the hope you would prefer to think for yourself - and you eat it up 100%. Your choice but dont say you have experience with IE7Pro to make judgement according to your security standards. You have a rambling forum post but good enough. Why claim you have done any evaluation? Accusations are still wrong and will continue to be wrong until there is proof, not a matter of opinions or the weather - Mouser could post the same and so will I. Reputable poster is a strange value btw. Dont believe all you read or give someone a free ride just because you recognize name. All make mistakes. One thing is to make the fantastic discovery of some clown spamming the program a few times over a month long periode (minor task for ADM, nothing to cry about in separeate thread), another to blindly connect it with spyware because it fits! Facts are required but nothing except ideas that you mght not se it today blah blah. Anything goes - give me a break (I dont even have a "security standard" but not that stupid) Witch hunting is what that is.

Im not pushing IE7pro but add-on does what it says - cant rule out Firefox is not to your liking and may be you reckon IE7 is best choice considering computer powers. In that case IE7pro is useful which is why I mentioned it. Have no share in program but also know of no reason to warn against it. Will of course uninstall it once evidence of hidden evil is available.

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General Software Discussion / Re: Firefox
« on: May 19, 2007, 06:46 AM »
cmpm, you have 2 forum posts with unsubstantiated accusations to judge that program on. A bit unfair perhaps? "Internet access" a risk? Well whatever, but you are not more safe by accepting everything you read or jumping to conclusions that is for sure. Always demand proofs and some logic, must be skeptical both ways - most can be revealed by doing a bit of research. Goes for Google tracking as well. Too much ranting and politics about "security", not really that big a deal. Actual dangers are elsewhere, mostly sitting in front of computer ;)

I guess you know Microsoft knows every url you have ever visited with IE7? Just like Google does if you install toolbar and activate full blown web history? So now you must deactivate Anti-Phishing filter to be safe? Does this not make the old popular warning of Windows "phoning home" seem like a friendly gesture?

Dont think Firefox extensions are without privacy issues, some of them have a policy - and most are made by unknown people/companies. Not secure by any means. You better have a net sniffer running 24/7 if IE7Pro seem so risky. I think you will be surprised/scared or will reevaluate what internet access is... There are people involved with everything, with your argument only way to get "secure" is not using anything and definitely not internet. But the opposite is what you should do - use internet to check things out, like for example the little add-on IE7Pro. When done it would be nice if you explained why program is to be avoided. I cant find anything suspicious other than here and that is more like a confusion.

Anyway, possible Firefox appears quicker once loaded but if you disregard the strange tab shifting in IE7 I think most has to do with it using more memory for caching than IE7. If amount of memory is on level with P3 then may be not a  wanted feature. Does adjust max. cache levels to available memory but still. Also Firefox definitely is less happy than IE7, Opera to release memory. Firefox hang on to cached media files much longer. I got the feeling Opera will beat both of them.   

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General Software Discussion / Re: Web Mail Recommendation?
« on: May 19, 2007, 05:51 AM »
When signed up for Gmail you get a Google account and access to most of their services https://www.google.com/accounts/ManageAccount will let you modify settings, see what you have joined etc. I think you will automatically join iGoogle, the personalized homepage - not sure. But if so next time you go to www.google.com you will see an iGoogle menu item at top. Other services you must log in to. One of the nice things about Google is this ease of use. Gmail account is key to all the goodies and probably why they it is generous with features. Selling Gmail is also selling Google but you can just ignore anything but Gmail if you wish.

More or less also goes for Yahoo, MS I guess but really tight integration at Google, no reason to feel trapped.

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